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Title: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 09, 2019, 06:19:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RIGXuav.png)

Hello and welcome to my showcase for my DSL design bots. I mostly build in an IRL style and
(while I'm not the best) love building extenderbots. Hopefully you guys enjoy my builds and I
can bounce ideas off of you to get advice and feedback in order to improve my building.

Table of Contents:
MIDKNIGHT (https://gametechmods.com/forums/dsl-tc-showcases/kupatec-dsl-designs/msg766178/#msg766178)
TWISTED FATE/REBORN (https://gametechmods.com/forums/dsl-tc-showcases/kupatec-dsl-designs/msg766198/#msg766198)
LAUNCH CONTROL (https://gametechmods.com/forums/dsl-tc-showcases/kupatec-dsl-designs/msg766351/#msg766351)
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 09, 2019, 06:25:47 AM
Here is my first bot to show off, been playing around with it quite a bit and am happy with both the performance and design so I figured why not show it off?

(https://i.imgur.com/gTj2X1n.png)
A pretty simple flipper bot that packs a small punch with a decent amount of armor to boot.
Capable of self-righting in most situations, however the base is covered in polycarb so not the strongest from below.
MIDKNIGHT is the evolution of my first ever extenderbot so even though it may not be the most powerful bot out there it will always have a place in my heart.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2019, 07:03:14 AM
That's a great bot for a newbie. A bit plain, but very neatly laid out with a well done weapon system. I really like how you're themeing your showcase too. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: F1Krazy on September 09, 2019, 07:55:32 AM
Welcome to GTM! You're off to a very good start. Midknight looks really clean and well-built, and I look forward to potentially seeing it in a tournament. I also agree with Badger about the theming, it's a pretty neat touch.

Just out of curiosity, how long have you been building in DSL? I get the impression you've been practicing for a while now before making this thread.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 09, 2019, 08:22:01 AM
That's a great bot for a newbie. A bit plain, but very neatly laid out with a well done weapon system. I really like how you're themeing your showcase too. Keep up the good work!

Thanks Badger, I actually learnt quite a lot from your showcase, what you can do with extenders and armor panels just blows my mind. I'll stop fanboying now

Welcome to GTM! You're off to a very good start. Midknight looks really clean and well-built, and I look forward to potentially seeing it in a tournament. I also agree with Badger about the theming, it's a pretty neat touch.

Just out of curiosity, how long have you been building in DSL? I get the impression you've been practicing for a while now before making this thread.

Thanks for the warm welcome! I've been playing around with DSL for a month or so now, mostly learning how to make a functional bot, then spent the last couple days really working on MIDKNIGHT in order to get it to state where I was happy to show it off. It is a little plain, which I was worried was going to be picked up on, though I am trying to get my head around skinning the panels to give my future bots a bit more personality.

I, too, am looking forward to entering a tournament once I get my bearings, so watch this space!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KidDelta on September 09, 2019, 09:30:00 AM
Jesus Frickin Christ how.

Welcome to GTM, also now I'm intrigued
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: Hoppin on September 09, 2019, 10:02:07 AM
Wonderful stuff, I must say.

I noticed that the front angled armour panel can be flipped, then they can run flush with the wedge edges. Oh, and its got some Jilted Lover vibes :^)
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: TheRoboteer on September 09, 2019, 10:49:13 AM
Great work my man. A tiny bit of messiness where the angle corners meet the wedge, but there's bots built by people with 10+ years of experience with worse than that so don't worry about it at all

All in all, it looks well thought-out, and well put together, which is very, very high praise for a first bot. Look forward to seeing what you put out in the future  :smile:
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 09, 2019, 11:24:46 AM
Jesus Frickin Christ how.

Welcome to GTM, also now I'm intrigued
Thanks for the welcome, I just kinda threw things together until they looked somewhat decent, to be honest. This is something like the 10-15th revision of this bot so it just came with time and relentless rebuilding.

Wonderful stuff, I must say.

I noticed that the front angled armour panel can be flipped, then they can run flush with the wedge edges. Oh, and its got some Jilted Lover vibes :^)
Oooh, that may help me neaten up the front end a bit as no matter how I wrangled with the angled corner edge piece it didn't quite work out right. Also just went and checked out Jilted Lover and damn it is a bit similar, isn't it; I hope I'm not going to cause any issues there?

Great work my man. A tiny bit of messiness where the angle corners meet the wedge, but there's bots built by people with 10+ years of experience with worse than that so don't worry about it at all

All in all, it looks well thought-out, and well put together, which is very, very high praise for a first bot. Look forward to seeing what you put out in the future  :smile:
Thank you very much! Yeah, as I said up above I just could not get that corner to look right, this was the least messiest version that I was happy with.

I must say I am loving the warm reception and I'm looking forward to creating more bots to show you guys!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: Thrackerzod on September 09, 2019, 12:42:37 PM
Welcome!  I'm glad to have you here, keep up the great work!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: [cringey name goes here] on September 09, 2019, 02:37:07 PM
For only a month's worth of experience, this is an awesome build! I want to see more of what you have!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 09, 2019, 08:54:15 PM
Welcome!  I'm glad to have you here, keep up the great work!

For only a month's worth of experience, this is an awesome build! I want to see more of what you have!

Thanks guys for the kind greetings and even kinder words!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 09, 2019, 09:05:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GbCiyfs.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2JxpOmx.png)

Behold TWISTED FATE, an experiment in compact drum spinner design that didn't really pan out as I wanted.
Covered in layered armour, and capable of wreaking destruction even while inverted, this bot is a bit of a mighty glacier.

This may be a project I revisit at some point but for now it stands as a powerful, rugged, but very slow bot.
I'm also not too sure if it counts as IRL legal due to the batteries and tops of the drive motors being in extenders.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: Plerco on September 09, 2019, 10:50:22 PM
It looks pretty sweet and I like the layered armor idea, but its gonna struggle with its speed

If you could upgrade to twmr2s (it looks like you could have the space if you move the batteries to the middle) I think it would be much better
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: kix on September 09, 2019, 11:05:18 PM
Not bad bots gonna say, however on a 2wd TWMR motors are pretty much suicide
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: F1Krazy on September 10, 2019, 02:54:39 AM
I'll concur with the others, and also suggest adding extra beaters to the drum so they properly stretch from edge to edge. It would look better (IMO), and be more effective. You might have to strip some of the armour layers off, or downgrade them, to save enough weight. If so, then start with the back armour; apart from Parsec matches or melees, nobody's ever going to hit you there.

I'm also not too sure if it counts as IRL legal due to the batteries and tops of the drive motors being in extenders.[/center]

Extenders clipping through things is *generally* fine, because IRL you could just cut holes or slots in the extenders. There are exceptions, but in terms of what you've done, you should be okay.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 10, 2019, 11:23:40 AM
It looks pretty sweet and I like the layered armor idea, but its gonna struggle with its speed

If you could upgrade to twmr2s (it looks like you could have the space if you move the batteries to the middle) I think it would be much better
Not bad bots gonna say, however on a 2wd TWMR motors are pretty much suicide
Thanks for the advice guys, I have been working on a Version 2 by shuffling around the internals a bit to use the TWM3R2s, and stripping down a bit of the less important armouring in order to gain a boost in speed to bring TWISTED FATE up to a competitive level.

I'll concur with the others, and also suggest adding extra beaters to the drum so they properly stretch from edge to edge. It would look better (IMO), and be more effective. You might have to strip some of the armour layers off, or downgrade them, to save enough weight. If so, then start with the back armour; apart from Parsec matches or melees, nobody's ever going to hit you there.
I didn't want to make a straight bar of beaters as they would intersect due to the drum layering and it felt a bit cheaty, imo. However, in version 2, I am making the weapon look nicer by adding in extra beaters with a new layout. Thank you for the advice on the armour however, that too has been put in to effect.

Extenders clipping through things is *generally* fine, because IRL you could just cut holes or slots in the extenders. There are exceptions, but in terms of what you've done, you should be okay.
Ah, that's excellent to hear, thank you.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: kix on September 10, 2019, 11:44:35 AM
I didn't want to make a straight bar of beaters as they would intersect due to the drum layering and it felt a bit cheaty, imo. However, in version 2, I am making the weapon look nicer by adding in extra beaters with a new layout. Thank you for the advice on the armour however, that too has been put in to effect.
Most if not all builders do the same, so i wouldnt worry if i were you
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: TheRoboteer on September 10, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
Partial clipping of beaters, flipper panels etc is generally fine. What isn't allowed is having things fully inside each other (which is generally referred to as stacking rather than clipping) If you're unsure about the legality of something you can ask a tournament host or someone and they'll generally be able to tell you if it does or does not fly :)
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: Hoppin on September 10, 2019, 05:38:07 PM
Echoing what the boys say.

I'd also think you'll wanna look at some kind of feeder wedge.

Superbomb, what are your thoughts on Twisted Fate :^)
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: superbomb122 on September 10, 2019, 05:52:53 PM
Superbomb, what are your thoughts on Twisted Fate :^)
It looks alright, about average for an extenderbot, and everything's been about covered by the others.

Could probably be a CW looking at it, with just 1 E-Tek powering the drum, but it's fine as a hw if it gets a little more speed.

Oh and Twisted Fate 2 for MM3 champ don't @ me
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 10, 2019, 09:43:43 PM
Could probably be a CW looking at it, with just 1 E-Tek powering the drum, but it's fine as a hw if it gets a little more speed.
I did experiment with getting it down to CW by dropping one of the E-Teks and stripping some of the armour, but could not seem to strip those final few kilos while keeping it looking "good", instead it is currently a slightly underweight HW.

Oh and Twisted Fate 2 for MM3 champ don't @ me
Well, no pressure then!  :laughing



(https://i.imgur.com/Gy71HJd.png)

And here she is, as you can see I figured out how to skin parts and went a bit mad with all the panels.
Drive upgraded to TWM3R2s which has, along with the lowered weight, turned it from a slow hitter to a feisty demon.
Rear, side and top panels are titanium, extenders aluminium and the front armour is steel.

Now to figure out how the hell AI'ing works so I can set this boy loose in tourneys!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: 8bean on September 10, 2019, 09:56:52 PM
bro wtf why ur bots look so good
also what he said \/
I really like how you're themeing your showcase too. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: TheRoboteer on September 10, 2019, 10:00:01 PM
Could probably be a CW looking at it, with just 1 E-Tek powering the drum, but it's fine as a hw if it gets a little more speed.
I did experiment with getting it down to CW by dropping one of the E-Teks and stripping some of the armour, but could not seem to strip those final few kilos while keeping it looking "good", instead it is currently a slightly underweight HW.

Oh and Twisted Fate 2 for MM3 champ don't @ me
Well, no pressure then!  :laughing



(https://i.imgur.com/Gy71HJd.png)

And here she is, as you can see I figured out how to skin parts and went a bit mad with all the panels.
Drive upgraded to TWM3R2s which has, along with the lowered weight, turned it from a slow hitter to a feisty demon.
Rear, side and top panels are titanium, extenders aluminium and the front armour is steel.

Now to figure out how the hell AI'ing works so I can set this boy loose in tourneys!
Nice work with the skinning on the panels. It looks as though the beaters on the drum are gonna clip the front of the drive motors when the drum spins though, which would rule it out of being IRL. I could be wrong though. If it is the case that it does clip, I'd suggest maybe trying NPCs/NPC fasts arranged like so:
  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  

Again though, really nice work. You're already well ahead of several people who've been building far longer than you have.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 11, 2019, 06:04:33 AM
bro wtf why ur bots look so good
I'll take that as a compliment, I do worry when making my bots that I am sacrificing some performance in the name of aesthetics but so far I think it's been worth it.

Nice work with the skinning on the panels. It looks as though the beaters on the drum are gonna clip the front of the drive motors when the drum spins though, which would rule it out of being IRL. I could be wrong though. If it is the case that it does clip, I'd suggest maybe trying NPCs/NPC fasts arranged like so:
  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  

Again though, really nice work. You're already well ahead of several people who've been building far longer than you have.
You did have me worried there about the beater bars, but I think it was just a trick of the camera angles I had used, as I went in to the lab to check and while it is a tight squeeze there was no overlapping. That NPC configuration is neato, thanks for showing me! I did attempt to build something with them but every attempt ended up with a really wide body, however you may have just shown me the magic trick to making decently compact NPC drives!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: NeonCalypso on September 11, 2019, 08:38:08 AM
The way you skinned those ramplates was a nice touch, its also the best bot from a newcomer too

Great to see new people here on the forums
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: RedAce on September 11, 2019, 09:23:28 AM
Damn man, that looks pretty sick.  Welcome by the way.


I do agree with the others on the concern of the weapon clipping the drive motors, but that's about it.  Mad props for taking the time to even skin the panels.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 11, 2019, 10:00:18 AM
The way you skinned those ramplates was a nice touch, its also the best bot from a newcomer too

Great to see new people here on the forums
Thanks for the welcome and very kind words! Hopefully I can continue to impress!

Damn man, that looks pretty sick.  Welcome by the way.


I do agree with the others on the concern of the weapon clipping the drive motors, but that's about it.  Mad props for taking the time to even skin the panels.
I have messed around a bit with the design and extended out the weapon arm (while also reinforcing it) as seen below. I like to make my bots stand out from the rest, and what better way than opening up photoshop and messing around for a bit to get something neat looking. Honestly now that I've gotten the hang of it I'm hoping to be able to get much wilder with my designs.



(https://i.imgur.com/oEq8Zrv.png)
No super fancy splash this time as it's only a minor revision to hopefully enter in the MM3 tourney if I can figure out how.
Extended out the weapon arm by 10cm to completely erase any worry of clipping with the drive motors, as well as buffing the arms
strength to a blend of Steel and Titanium using the weight I still had available to me, this has toughened up the bot significantly.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: superbomb122 on September 11, 2019, 10:29:14 AM
Oh and Twisted Fate 2 for MM3 champ don't @ me
Well, no pressure then!  :laughing
I meant my Twisted Fate lol

The component skinning on yours is nice tho, especially for a newcomer. Keep it up!
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: kix on September 11, 2019, 11:35:12 AM
Bruh youre already better than 90% of zommers on gtm rn
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 14, 2019, 11:39:45 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fitFL4Y.png)
Long, fast and surprisingly powerful. What started as an experiment in learning how to make
interesting wedge shapes ended up as a neat little CW Flipper Bot capable of going toe to toe
with even HW bots in AI testing. I am really quite happy with this bot other than the glaring
weakness of it's low battery capacity which has made for some tense matches!

Massive thank you to TheRoboteer for helping me out with getting the panel work just right.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: Thrackerzod on September 14, 2019, 11:41:52 AM
That's a really sick shape
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: 8bean on September 14, 2019, 02:03:43 PM
Looks like a wipeout ship lmao. I really love the panelwork you've done on the sides, the only problem I could see with it is since the flipping arm is so long it could have some issues tossing other bots. Other than that though it's super solid. Keep up the great work man
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: TheRoboteer on September 14, 2019, 02:41:00 PM
Massive thank you to TheRoboteer for helping me out with getting the panel work just right.[/center]
No problem my dude. Really nice work here, just like your last few bots. Your stuff has just the kind of aesthetic I really like in RA2 bots.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: KupaTec on September 14, 2019, 04:20:25 PM
That's a really sick shape
Looks like a wipeout ship lmao. I really love the panelwork you've done on the sides, the only problem I could see with it is since the flipping arm is so long it could have some issues tossing other bots. Other than that though it's super solid. Keep up the great work man
Thanks guys, it has that WipEout crossed with an Arwing look going for it, which I love. In terms of the flipping arm length it's great when being human driven as I can pick and choose my throwing angles by moving further under the opponent but the AI is probably not going to be anywhere near that smart. Luckily it can toss full HWs around with ease even using just the bottom quarter.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: NickyDustyOwl on September 14, 2019, 07:16:05 PM
I dig this.
Title: Re: KupaTec DSL Designs
Post by: pokebro14 on September 15, 2019, 05:12:11 AM
tbh if your getting no complaints from robo then you know your doing good
your honestly one of the best builders already well done dude  :claping