Author Topic: Galacticruler's DSL 3.0 Noob-case (Read 3339 times)

Galacticruler · « **on:** December 29, 2013, 07:30:29 PM »

Well, decided to move back to DSL 3, but this time stock.
alright, down to buisness:

Sawmill:

it does try to tip over a lot if you stop too fast.(luckily the saws catch it.)

Kossokei · « **Reply #1 on:** December 29, 2013, 07:56:18 PM »

it's so terrible but it's also so hilariously awesome

Galacticruler · « **Reply #2 on:** December 29, 2013, 08:05:53 PM »

how so?

MassimoV · « **Reply #3 on:** December 29, 2013, 08:36:07 PM »

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=10649.0

Scroll down to the DSL showcases and lurk in them to learn how to build.

090901 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 29, 2013, 09:18:59 PM »

Don't use E-tek drive motors as a weapon motor, there is a normal e-tek for that.
You don't need so many wheels on the robot.
Weapon systems like that are pretty much crap, however they are quite hilariously as Kossokei said.

Quote from: MassimoV on December 29, 2013, 08:36:07 PM

Scroll down to the DSL showcases and lurk in them to learn how to build.

I think this isn't the best idea at this point. Telling someone who doesn't even understand the basics of building to just look at showcases and somehow build something good just doesn't work IMO. (Back before I joined GTM and was a n00b, I tried building a HS after seeing a 36HS somewhere, it was awful. Same thing happened when I tried building a popup and then a shell spinner in DSL, which had a slimbody powering a huge shell covered with ripping teeth

)

MassimoV · « **Reply #5 on:** December 29, 2013, 09:20:37 PM »

Well it gives him an idea of a good bot.

Naryar · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2013, 04:32:19 AM »

ಠ_ಠ

AlexGRFan97 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2013, 05:08:16 AM »

Atleast this robot could probably kill something, that's a start. However, there are many improvements you can make to it:

1. Your robot is way too heavy for any legal weightclass. What is the armor you have used?
2. Slim Wheels are just terrible in general, triple layering doesn't help the bots' turning circle either.
3. That chassis is pretty much unusable. Make it much smaller in each dimension, especially height, then try rebuilding it.
4. E-Tek Drives are for drive motors only, not weapons. The slimbody on top makes the weapon more unstable. Also, you need to lower the weapon motor in terms of height.
5. Odyssey batteries are pretty much useless. You could get the same amount of power in Battlepacks, or Ant Batteries despite the nerf they got in DSL3.
6. Never use casters, unless you're using them as an invincible defense (stock builders will tell you more about it). 2 wheeled bots almost all the time fair better without casters.

helloface · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2013, 11:46:15 AM »

Actually, ants are terrible in DSL3. 1 battle pack holds more power than 3 ants for less weight.

Naryar · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2013, 11:50:41 AM »

That and that is an official class, although it is underweight... gigaheavyweight, 5000kg.

Alex I just think you should stop giving advice for DSL-S before you turn into Gauche Suede. I suggest you lurk more, dig deeper into the DSL-S game and learn more things before attempting to give advanced advice.s

playzooki · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2013, 01:59:35 PM »

Quote from: Naryar on December 30, 2013, 11:50:41 AM

That and that is an official class, although it is underweight... gigaheavyweight, 5000kg.

Alex I just think you should stop giving advice for DSL-S before you turn into Gauche Suede. I suggest you lurk more, dig deeper into the DSL-S game and learn more things before attempting to give advanced advice.s

5000 is ultraheavyweight. 10000 is gigaheavyweight.
and yeah, minimize empty space. tribars like that generally dont work in dsl.

Naryar · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2013, 02:04:35 PM »

Quote from: playzooki on December 30, 2013, 01:59:35 PM

Quote from: Naryar on December 30, 2013, 11:50:41 AM
That and that is an official class, although it is underweight... gigaheavyweight, 5000kg.

Alex I just think you should stop giving advice for DSL-S before you turn into Gauche Suede. I suggest you lurk more, dig deeper into the DSL-S game and learn more things before attempting to give advanced advice.s
5000 is ultraheavyweight. 10000 is gigaheavyweight.

whoa you are right i must have been derping around

especially that I created GHW of all things

Quote from: playzooki on December 30, 2013, 01:59:35 PM

tribars like that generally dont work in dsl.

what do you mean ?

playzooki · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2013, 02:07:14 PM »

Quote from: Naryar on December 30, 2013, 02:04:35 PM

Quote from: playzooki on December 30, 2013, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: Naryar on December 30, 2013, 11:50:41 AM
That and that is an official class, although it is underweight... gigaheavyweight, 5000kg.

Alex I just think you should stop giving advice for DSL-S before you turn into Gauche Suede. I suggest you lurk more, dig deeper into the DSL-S game and learn more things before attempting to give advanced advice.s
5000 is ultraheavyweight. 10000 is gigaheavyweight.

whoa you are right i must have been derping around

especially that I created GHW of all things

Quote from: playzooki on December 30, 2013, 01:59:35 PM
tribars like that generally dont work in dsl.

what do you mean ?

well discs are generally better imo.

Mr. AS · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2013, 02:38:08 PM »

Um... yeah.

I think the best motor choice for something like this is a dual perm instead of a chained etek + slimbody. Chained designs aren't done too often in DSL anyway, and their realism is questionable.
Also, its possible to get all of your motors on the outside of the chassis using baseplate anchors so that your chassis size can be reduced so much more. 1 for the weapon motor, and 2 for the drive motors.
Do you know of the axle extenders? you can put those on your perms to get even more saws than you already have.

Quote from: 090901 on December 29, 2013, 09:18:59 PM

Quote from: MassimoV on December 29, 2013, 08:36:07 PM
Scroll down to the DSL showcases and lurk in them to learn how to build.
I think this isn't the best idea at this point. Telling someone who doesn't even understand the basics of building to just look at showcases and somehow build something good just doesn't work IMO.

It worked for me.

Galacticruler · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2013, 03:08:55 PM »

Wow, I leave for a few hours and suggestions roll in.

thank you all for the suggestions, I'll try my best to improve this bot.(it might end up worse anyway)

Quote from: AlexGRFan97 on December 30, 2013, 05:08:16 AM

1. Your robot is way too heavy for any legal weightclass. What is the armor you have used? Steel 10
2. Slim Wheels are just terrible in general, triple layering doesn't help the bots' turning circle either. Good point, I don't know what I was thinking...
3. That chassis is pretty much unusable. Make it much smaller in each dimension, especially height, then try rebuilding it. seems to work fine for me...
4. E-Tek Drives are for drive motors only, not weapons. The slimbody on top makes the weapon more unstable. Also, you need to lower the weapon motor in terms of height. may not be a good idea, this thing is ridiculously top heavy and tries to tip over when I move, only the saws keep it from doing so.(also they're not far from the ground to start with.)
5. Odyssey batteries are pretty much useless. You could get the same amount of power in Battlepacks, or Ant Batteries despite the nerf they got in DSL3. disregarding
6. Never use casters, unless you're using them as an invincible defense (stock builders will tell you more about it). 2 wheeled bots almost all the time fair better without casters. it tilts WAY too much without them.

Galacticruler · « **Reply #15 on:** December 31, 2013, 03:00:50 PM »

Have a look at Grand Slam.

Its a bit of a Havok magnet.
EDIT:
oh, and the hammers sometimes suffer from ED.

Lemonism · « **Reply #16 on:** December 31, 2013, 03:59:48 PM »

That bot doesn't have enough weapons on it to be competitive, IMO. Again, concentrate all your weapons at the front of the bot for maximum damage. Also I really wouldn't suggest putting your drive like that, below the chassis. It will make the bot unstable and it's just asking to get ripped off. Either put the drive in the chassis or at the sides of the bot, well armoured for max protection. Those DSL bars are just wasting weight where they are, so make sure they are actually protecting the bot or remove them. Your burst motors are also really exposed, again I would put them inside the chassis.

Galacticruler · « **Reply #17 on:** December 31, 2013, 05:31:36 PM »

While I'd normally follow those tips, this thing TOWERS over other bots, they can't hope to reach my burst motors, and they all fall into the front or back of the bot and get hammered to death...or my death because of an odd Havok.

helloface · « **Reply #18 on:** December 31, 2013, 05:41:56 PM »

Trust me, all of what Lemonism said is good advice. Follow it.

Lemonism · « **Reply #19 on:** December 31, 2013, 05:58:22 PM »

Okay, if you want to go with the death from above approach, then I would make it much wider so that more bots can go underneath it without it getting damaged. Also, add far more weapons to it. Try replacing the hammers with a rack of razor tips. Remember though, this type of bot probably won't work against VSs, or anything to tall to fit underneath.