FOTEPX's DSL Showcase

[123savethewhales]

Just most of them are probably useless. :P

Agree.  Crawler aside, the 4 types effective bots are wedge (includes everything that rely solely on winning the wedge war), flail sns, wedgeless vs, and de-weapon (Sting Ray and Refraction).

This particular bot falls into the wedge category, as it does not introduce a new method of winning.  So we can ask if this huge barrel is the most efficient way of dealing damage after winning the wedge war.

[Squirrel_Monkey]

What about FGs, HSs and FSSs?

[Scorpion]

Hmm, a new way of winning *goes off to try out an idea for a completely new bot type*.

[123savethewhales]

Let me rephrase what I said, a bot can attack from the front, below, above, sweep, or return damage.  After which we can compare how likely the bot is going to be in the expected position.

It takes the same condition to stay in front as it is below (win the wedge war and not get sweeped).  A bot that damage from below (popups) tends to do this better than one in front (face spinner).

A bot that damage from above tend to rely on extenders to prevent weapon from touching the floor.  While they have little trouble getting into position against wedges, they will struggle to get into position against even a mediocre sweep bot.

A bot that sweeps relies on denying other bots' ability to get under/get above.  So far the Flail SnS is the best at this task.

A return damage bot does not care much about it's position.  It wins by skipping all positioning mechanism and relying on it's superior weapon weight.

And finally, we have crawlers, which skips drive for superior defense/weapon coverage.

[Squirrel_Monkey]

And pinners?

[123savethewhales]

And pinners?

Pinner without wedge cannot pin anything.  And most pinners falls more into the de-weapon category than relying on wedge war to win.

[Squirrel_Monkey]

And pinners?

Pinner without wedge cannot pin anything.

Not necessarily, a wedge is only needed against another wedge.

[123savethewhales]

And pinners?

Pinner without wedge cannot pin anything.

Not necessarily, a wedge is only needed against another wedge.

You can't even pin a wedgeless VS.  And good luck trying to pin a flail SnS without wedge.

[NFX]

And pinners?

Pinner without wedge cannot pin anything.

Not necessarily, a wedge is only needed against another wedge.

You can't even pin a wedgeless VS.  And good luck trying to pin a flail SnS without wedge.

Valid Query 2?

[Squirrel_Monkey]

I was thinking more Sheck Spinners and HSs but I'm looking more "low-weight class" than you.

[Sparkey98]

Did anyone notice that this is the second time he thought he was  the first person to ever do something?

Yes. Like sparkey :P

On topic, do what pwn said.

all newbies do that kinda sorta.

[123savethewhales]

Wedge is still a large part of get pinners to work.  That said, maybe it's not a good idea to spam Fotepx's showcase about the effectiveness of every bot type.

Valid Query 2?

How often does it remain in a desirable position again HnM4, RPP, or Cash Cow?

[NFX]

Wedge is still a large part of get pinners to work.  That said, maybe it's not a good idea to spam Fotepx's showcase about the effectiveness of every bot type.

Valid Query 2?

How often does it remain in a desirable position again HnM, RPP, or Cash Cow?

I was referring to your claim that "You can't pin a wedgeless VS". Valid Query 2's match against Fever in TA could have probably gone that way if the AI had been Pusher instead of Rammer. Admittedly, against HnM, it doesn't fare well.

[123savethewhales]

I was referring to your claim that "You can't pin a wedgeless VS". Valid Query 2's match against Fever in TA could have probably gone that way if the AI had been Pusher instead of Rammer. Admittedly, against HnM, it doesn't fare well.

Maybe I should rephrase it as.

You can't pin "my" wedgeless VSs.  Since I was thinking about them when I made that comment.

[NFX]

Ah, okay. You probably could, but the bot would suck agaisnt everything else.

[123savethewhales]

Ah, okay. You probably could, but the bot would suck agaisnt everything else.

A wammer can pin and de-weapon them actually, but they are just not regarded as pinners in most cases since they wedge other things.

The normal "weapon in front" pinner however cannot prevent bots from going on top.  Some turn a few razors up to prevent it, but they tend to break quickly against VS.

[FOTEPX]

That said, maybe it's not a good idea to spam Fotepx's showcase about the effectiveness of every bot type.

I don't mind at all. It gives me time to work on my next bot whilst keeping my showcase fresh.

EDIT: I just had an awesome idea! The weappon of this bot on a servo. When  a bot gets into the barrel, the barrel goes horizontal, making it harder to escape from! I'm not gonna do it, though. Sounds too compliated.

[Scorpion]

No, it sounds rubbish.
That kinda design doesn't work.

[FOTEPX]

*chuckles gently*

Just try it before judging.

[Scorpion]

Have, doesn't work on a normal spinner atleast.
The laws of physics would stop it from working like you think it would anyway.