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Title: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on July 09, 2011, 04:08:54 PM: Need help with my HS. Keep getting killed by everything and it is starting to get annoying.

So here it is
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/93384Undercut2.jpg)

Right now I am working on shrinking the chassis, really need help on dealing with the wedges.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Badnik96 on July 09, 2011, 04:17:06 PM: DSL Bars are not very effective weapons. Replace the end ones with hammers.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ashman12 on July 09, 2011, 04:25:44 PM: You dont need the chassis to be as big as that, make it smaller and make it a rectangle instead of a rectangle with a triangle shape.

Shrink the chassis enough so that the wheels are sticking out the sides and all thats on the inside is the motors/batteries/control board

Use the small red/black extender instead of the baseplate anchor but INSIDE the chassis only. They are no good outside the chassis because they have low hit-points.

Get rid of the long ram-plates (White One's) and replace them with a plow or something else.

Also, as badnik said, instead of the DSL bars at the end of the other bars use hammers instead.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: 123savethewhales on July 09, 2011, 04:52:09 PM: It looks alright.

Some people here build IRL (In Real Life) robots, which focus on imitating real life bots rather than maximizing based on this game's mechanics. You should look into that.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on July 09, 2011, 06:45:09 PM: Here is the updated version, it is now a middleweight fighter. Can someone point me to a page that has a tutorial for AIing my bot. I am a bad driver so it is hard to tell if it is the bot or me.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/858Undercut3.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Wacky Bob on July 09, 2011, 06:51:16 PM: Here's one:

https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=How_to_AI_your_bot (https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=How_to_AI_your_bot)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ty4er on July 10, 2011, 02:18:40 AM: Unrealistic :P
Other than that it seems good, perhaps change the wheels to vlads?
You can shrink the chassis and put the cb upright somewhere.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on July 18, 2011, 09:07:42 PM: So here is the updated version. Back to HW, added two more drive motors to fix control issues, and changed the hammers to the 60 kg.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/11874Undercut4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Scorpion on July 19, 2011, 03:50:18 AM: You don't need 4 wheel drive here, you're better off having 2 wheel drive with techno destructo wheels, and using the weight saved from that to improve the weapon motor.
You should also then put the weapon motor outside of the chassis.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Jack Daniels on July 19, 2011, 04:00:40 AM: If that were a real bot... the hammers would smash out the weapon motor. (I think.. it is a little hard to tell at that angle) Try to focus on keeping it realistic. It is not because we are picky, but if you enter any DSL tournaments the host will reject bots because of things like that.

You are improving though. Good work!
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on July 19, 2011, 09:11:36 PM: Changed a lot but it is realistic.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/92660Undercut5.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Natef on July 19, 2011, 09:15:08 PM: I don't think you need the extra wheels.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Somebody on July 19, 2011, 09:41:23 PM: They actually do make it go faster. Hit F12 to see the collision mesh of the hypno teeth. Then proceed to the weapons tab to find a larger weapon after you see it. (Protip: Collision mesh is what *actually* hits the other robot in-game)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: SKBT on July 19, 2011, 10:17:15 PM: Except if you lose one wheel the motor stops working even though you still have the other wheel.

Try Techno Destructo wheels instead of two Tornado wheels on each side. (correct me if I'm wrong) Tornado wheels weigh 18 kg and have 1.5 grip a piece, Techno Destructo wheels weigh 32 kg and have 3.2 grip. So if you switch you have a higher total grip (3.0 vs 3.2) for less weight (32 kg vs 36 kg) Also on top of that you only need a regular drive Etek instead of a LX drive Etek so that's even more weight saved.

(More grip = more speed)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: SteveM4 on July 20, 2011, 02:16:08 AM: If you're using wheels on Eteks, make them Technos

Also, that bot needs 4 ants, not 3 very-big-batteries-that-I-can't-remember-the-name-of.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: martymidget on July 20, 2011, 06:36:47 AM: This advice will make it more generic, and I hate handing out generic advice, but..

NPC-Fs are generally better for HWs- they're half the weight and not much slower. E-teks are for bots which need/you want to be crazy fast.

You probably already know this, but as a rule, 1 ant battery per spin motor (e.g perms, astros, NPCs). 2/3 per BSG, 4/5 per small JX, 6/7 per large JX, and 20ish for Betas, I believe (but with betas the big black ones are better)

SKBT's gone through the techno thing already, but other good wheels are micro wheels, hypno wheels, overkill wheels and wheely big cheese wheels.

If you want to go overkill on the weapons, use a dual perm or a six-mag, though the six-mags are more awkward to attach. The best combination of weapons for an all round HS are generally Beater bars and light ds teeth/razors, but feel free to use different weapons, like sledges, or even things with normals to make for a refreshing change. Check out this page for information on normals (it needs to be finished really, with a list of weapons in DSL with normals.) :
https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=Normals (https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=Normals)

This is an example of a generic HS of the kind you're building nowadays. Try and clone that to get the general ideas in DSL, then then add your own original twist to the design :D

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/69061Fish.png)

PS, Sorry if I've come across slightly patronising, I'm not used to giving advice :P
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on July 20, 2011, 11:49:44 AM: Quote from: martymidget on July 20, 2011, 06:36:47 AM
You probably already know this, but as a rule, 1 ant battery per spin motor (e.g perms, astros, NPCs). 2/3 per BSG, 4/5 per small JX, 6/7 per large JX, and 20ish for Betas, I believe (but with betas the big black ones are better)

Quote from: 123savethewhales on September 04, 2010, 10:19:35 AM
Quote
I heard, 1 per spin motor, 2 per BSG, 4 per Small JX and 5 per Large JX. I have 24 (1x4+4x5)

2.5 per BSG
4.5 per Mag
5 per Small JX
7 per Large JX
21 per Beta

Quote from: 123savethewhales on September 04, 2010, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: Naryar on September 04, 2010, 11:25:17 AM
My dear 123, don't you think PC625's do exist for a reason ?
So you can skip by them?

They aren't worth it on normal DSL.
^The 123 facts^
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: martymidget on July 20, 2011, 12:30:49 PM: Ahh, close. :P
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on July 20, 2011, 07:57:01 PM: So this is what I came up with. So far the largest hit I gave out was over 6000.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/3409Undercut6.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Somebody on July 20, 2011, 09:38:26 PM: What do you have for armor on there?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on July 20, 2011, 09:51:43 PM: Steel 5mm
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: 123savethewhales on July 20, 2011, 09:53:55 PM: Quote from: SKBT on July 19, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
Except if you lose one wheel the motor stops working even though you still have the other wheel.

Try Techno Destructo wheels instead of two Tornado wheels on each side. (correct me if I'm wrong) Tornado wheels weigh 18 kg and have 1.5 grip a piece, Techno Destructo wheels weigh 32 kg and have 3.2 grip. So if you switch you have a higher total grip (3.0 vs 3.2) for less weight (32 kg vs 36 kg) Also on top of that you only need a regular drive Etek instead of a LX drive Etek so that's even more weight saved.

(More grip = more speed)
I don't think that is how grip works, 2 wheels do not add to speed. Also techno got 2.3 grip. Tornado got 1.3.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: SKBT on July 20, 2011, 10:02:32 PM: I figured I goofed up atleast one number :P

In my experience robots with two wheels per axle seemed to move about twice as fast, so I made the assumption that two wheels = twice the speed
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: 123savethewhales on July 20, 2011, 10:10:25 PM: I don't know about your experience, but my test consistently shows them to be the same speed regardless.

Test is simple, 2 astroflight lx, 4 ants, 1 control board, 10x10 chassis, titanium 5 (weights about 400 kg)

Regardless of 2 vlad or 4 vlad wheels, it takes 6 seconds to go from reset point to test arena wall.

Grip is = the last wheel that is put on the a motor, which of the 2 axles does not matter.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on July 21, 2011, 11:17:25 PM: After fighting with the new version of the bot I have found that the disc is almost useless when the bot is riding around upside down. The problem is the dual perm is higher off the ground then the wheels but if I change any of that the disc will not be as efficient of an undercutter. Anyone have any solutions to this?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: martymidget on July 23, 2011, 01:53:41 PM: Overkill wheels raised higher off of the ground. Should work and make it fully invertible.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 05, 2011, 08:57:01 PM: Added the overkill wheels and redesigned to rear protection to fit.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/76608Undercut7.jpg)

It is quite funny how this bot started out and where it is now.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: freeziez on August 05, 2011, 10:22:12 PM: You don't need back protection, AI never attacks the back.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on August 05, 2011, 10:47:06 PM: Yeah you can ditch rear defense unless you fight in rumbles a lot.

Also needs much more weapons. On a DSL HW HS you probably need like 200+ kg of weapons.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ty4er on August 06, 2011, 03:49:33 AM: Use the 100 or 150 cm disk instead and put more weapons on.

Don't need back defense either
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: martymidget on August 06, 2011, 05:08:17 AM: You don't need an extender to put the Dual Perm on.

Just follow these guys advice and you should be good.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ashman12 on August 06, 2011, 05:15:12 AM: If you are wanting to stick with the Dual Perm then i would add some more weapons (It's a HW so it should have more weapons anyway) but if you find you don't have the space downgrade to a Perm 132.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Badnik96 on August 06, 2011, 04:51:06 PM: Use techno wheels, same grip for less weight IIRC.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 07, 2011, 04:27:23 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/38344Undercut8.jpg)
Can't get the weapon motor to attach without the extender and the tecno wheels are not big enough for invertible driving
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Scorpion on August 07, 2011, 04:51:35 PM: Surely that needs stabilizers?
And remember, one ant per spin motor!
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: martymidget on August 07, 2011, 04:58:54 PM: Looking good :D

If you have weight left over you may need stabilisers, depending on how it drives. If you have plenty left, put some top armour on, or casters at the bottom (though both would be best). If you have loads left over, you could ever strengthen the disc and put rear armour on.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ashman12 on August 07, 2011, 05:16:40 PM: Quote from: Scorpion on August 07, 2011, 04:51:35 PM
Surely that needs stabilizers?
And remember, one ant per spin motor!

Yes but it would be best to have one more just in-case, so 4 should be enough.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Scorpion on August 07, 2011, 05:30:19 PM: Quote from: ashman12 on August 07, 2011, 05:16:40 PM
Quote from: Scorpion on August 07, 2011, 04:51:35 PM
Surely that needs stabilizers?
And remember, one ant per spin motor!

Yes but it would be best to have one more just in-case, so 4 should be enough.
I'd rather have more weaponry to score a KO faster TBH.
Still, that many is certainly a few too many.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on August 07, 2011, 06:11:55 PM: Looking pretty good, though you can put the NPC's axles at the extreme rear of the chassis and save 3 kg by directly attaching the dual perm.

Now try something else, or become a HS specialist. Your choice.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 07, 2011, 06:40:10 PM: I have been thinking about changing the wheels and I can't figure out how to mount the weapon without the extender. Also this just happened:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/28744UndercutWTF.JPG)
And I am messing around with a VS or Gut Ripper.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on August 07, 2011, 06:54:13 PM: This is an HS, more precisely an undercutter.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Scorpion on August 07, 2011, 07:07:12 PM: Quote from: Naryar on August 07, 2011, 06:54:13 PM
This is an HS, more precisely an undercutter.
???
Erm, yes, correct....are you o.k Nar?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on August 07, 2011, 07:09:29 PM: Quote from: Scorpion on August 07, 2011, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: Naryar on August 07, 2011, 06:54:13 PM
This is an HS, more precisely an undercutter.
???
Erm, yes, correct....are you o.k Nar?

He just asked what was that bot:

Quote from: ayak420 on August 07, 2011, 06:40:10 PM
And I am messing around with a VS or Gut Ripper.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Scorpion on August 07, 2011, 07:12:03 PM: Quote from: Naryar on August 07, 2011, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: Scorpion on August 07, 2011, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: Naryar on August 07, 2011, 06:54:13 PM
This is an HS, more precisely an undercutter.
???
Erm, yes, correct....are you o.k Nar?

He just asked what was that bot:

Quote from: ayak420 on August 07, 2011, 06:40:10 PM
And I am messing around with a VS or Gut Ripper.
Looks to me more like he was answering you, when you said:

Quote from: Naryar on August 07, 2011, 06:11:55 PM
Now try something else, or become a HS specialist. Your choice.

Saying that he was working on a VS / gut ripper.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on August 07, 2011, 07:13:46 PM: You'll need to remove the ME, rotate it 90 degreed counter-clockwise, and attach it as far forward on the baseplate as you can, then the Dual Perm will attach properly. For some reason the Extra Small ME's attachment points aren't symmetrical, one of them's buried inside. That's why the Dual Perm won't attach the way you have it now.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 07, 2011, 07:56:44 PM: That is my HS UnderCutter Falling through the floor not a new bot.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 09, 2011, 07:12:08 PM: Here is the new VS that I have been working on. It has NPC Fasts, Duel Perm, and two DSL hammers. 10mm Titanium Armor and it is 778.9kg so there is room for more.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/55335VS1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Natef on August 09, 2011, 07:53:26 PM: You can shrink the chassis, use lighter extenders, and add more weapons.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 09, 2011, 09:15:32 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/99391VS2.jpg)

For some reason the wedge is useless.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Enigm@ on August 09, 2011, 09:19:48 PM: Quote from: ayak420 on August 09, 2011, 09:15:32 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/99391VS2.jpg)

For some reason the wedge is useless.
What the heck happened ? XD
EDIT: ah, I see the poly extenders
But why are the wedges really close to each other like that ?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Virus Bomb on August 09, 2011, 09:55:34 PM: you're not going to get under anything with a static wedge. change them to mako wedges if you want to or just use some stabilizers.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 12, 2011, 04:36:34 PM: Added the Mako wedges to it.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/42988VS3.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: cephalopod on August 12, 2011, 04:53:00 PM: Check my showcase out for some funky VS designs, which you may find useful. (Mako wedges and Mako itself is very outdated)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/8600monstar.png)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/54408fever3-2.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on August 12, 2011, 04:56:56 PM: Like the Mako wedges, but do you think it would work better if it just had angled stablizers?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 15, 2011, 09:20:24 PM: So gave up on the VS. It is fun to watch the other bots fly but to hard for me to drive.

Made an effective little cage spinner though.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/92115Spinster1.jpg)

797.7 3mm AL armor
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ty4er on August 16, 2011, 02:21:14 AM: Swap the omni connector for a drum and get rid of the beaters.
And get better armour, alu armour sucks iirc.

How is it self-righting?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: FOTEPX on August 16, 2011, 02:25:30 AM: Quote from: ty4er on August 16, 2011, 02:21:14 AM
Swap the omni connector for a drum and get rid of the beaters.
And get better armour, alu armour sucks iirc.

How is it self-righting?

I don't think it can self-right considering how it's only Bar Spinners that can self-right without aid.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 16, 2011, 04:25:07 PM: Here is the update
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/24992spinster2.jpg)

5mm titanium
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on August 16, 2011, 05:15:39 PM: The top razors are useless, move them down.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Badnik96 on August 16, 2011, 10:00:02 PM: Get rid of the extender work entirely and replace it with a black disc.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 16, 2011, 10:33:18 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/11944spinster4.jpg)

Latest version
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Badnik96 on August 17, 2011, 10:21:12 AM: Quote from: Badnik96 on August 16, 2011, 10:00:02 PM
Get rid of the extender work entirely and replace it with a black disc.

Also get rid of the razors and irons and use the weight for moar armor.

Also use the flat panels instead of the angled ones. Less exposed.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: powerrave on August 17, 2011, 12:28:51 PM: Weight?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on August 17, 2011, 02:45:20 PM: That sawblade is incredibly useless.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 17, 2011, 06:14:14 PM: Here are the two versions that I have come up with both have 5mm steel and both weight in at over 790.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/17981spinster5.jpg)
This one is using the suggestions that I have got here.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/63358spinster6.jpg)
This one is just like the last but with the titanium sheet instead of the saw blade.

The second is the more effective of the two but both are weak vs and type of wedge.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 25, 2011, 01:55:19 PM: Went back and worked on the VS
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/71106VS4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Avalanche on August 25, 2011, 02:14:12 PM: Empty space!And whats the armour?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: powerrave on August 25, 2011, 02:31:01 PM: I kinda doubt that having it that wide will do much good. Shrink chassis.

Also, What armour and what's the weight?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 25, 2011, 05:02:59 PM: 796.7 5mm Steel
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/376VS5.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on August 25, 2011, 05:13:53 PM: Alu extender looks very suspect to me. I'd try to hide it in some way. Maybe have it closer to the vertical and mount the 8000HP Dual Perm on the underside of it.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on August 25, 2011, 05:19:46 PM: Remove that wedge, it's totally useless that high.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on August 25, 2011, 06:31:00 PM: Removed the wedge and replaced it with two poly sheets attached to the under armor and I remade the weapon mount with a DSL bar for support.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/61102VS6.jpg)
Also named it Bird of Prey because it sort of looks like a bird
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: powerrave on August 26, 2011, 07:20:02 AM: Maybe get better wheels? Further it looks okay to me.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on September 08, 2011, 10:59:34 AM: Here is a shell spinner that I made.
Drive: 4 Flat motors with Hypno wheels
Weapon: Duel Perm
Power: 6 ant
Weight: 743
Armor: 5mm Steel
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/76178fbs1.jpg)

Problems: Can not add more to the shell because the drive will spin in circles.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ty4er on September 08, 2011, 11:02:37 AM: Quote from: ayak420 on September 08, 2011, 10:59:34 AM
Drive: 4 Flat motors
wat
Slimbodies?

If the bot spins in circles then try putting some half-sheets on the bottom/upgrading the drive.
You could do with loads more weaponry aswell, see urjak's showcase for loads of shell spinners :P

oh and it's UNDERWEEEEEEIIIIIIIGHT btw
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on September 08, 2011, 11:32:23 AM: You want to ideally add some underside protection, like a couple of Titanium Halfsheets, and 2WD NPC fasts with Hypnos should be fine for this. It'll come out as less weight overall, and be considerably more stable, with any luck. You also need a good deal more weaponry for this to be competitive, perhaps you should try the 150cm disc. And drop the armour to something like 3mm Titanium, or 5mm Plastic. You're not going to get hit very often apart from popups, and even then the halfsheets should offer good protection.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on September 08, 2011, 09:22:05 PM: Here is an updated version of the cage spinner that I made a while back. I am thinking of basing the shell on this frame because they are pretty close.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36842spinster7.jpg)

What is really good about this one is the fast spin up time and when at full speed the weapons do not look like they are moving, just like on a stacked HPZtek cage spinner I made in stock.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: The Ounce on September 08, 2011, 09:32:26 PM: Good, but it would be better to use DSL bars to attach the shell panels rather than flippermakers, since they only have 1000 HP each. Ice picks aren't very good on spinners either. Also, what armor does it have?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: powerrave on September 09, 2011, 09:40:22 AM: Showing the weight would also be helpful.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on September 10, 2011, 04:36:56 AM: Still a bad weapon setup. Make something where all the weapons hit your opponent at the same time, that uses less weight on weapon setup and is more resilient. If your bot gets upturned, you are 1000 HP away from losing one of your 4 spinner arms.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on October 13, 2011, 08:10:33 PM: So it has been a while so here is a shell spinner.
Armor: 5mm plastic
Drive: 2x Fast with Large Ant Wheels
Weapon: Duel Perm
Weight: 794.6
Power: 3x Ant Batt Mini Control Board
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/95144Twisted1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on October 13, 2011, 09:07:53 PM: Looks like a good idea. Things might want to change are the spiked clubs, they aren't very good weapons. Try not using the angle connectors in DSL. I'm also not too sure if iron spikes are the best weapons for flails.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on October 14, 2011, 03:17:18 AM: No it is not a good idea... actually it is quite average for a shell spinner. Angle connectors = extra fail. Irons are bad on shell spinners, and ~~morning stars~~ spiked clubs (grrrr) are bad as well.

The rest of the bot looks good, but the weapon loadout just ruins it.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on October 14, 2011, 11:31:53 AM: Here is the new version just changed the weapons
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/10524Twisted2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ty4er on October 14, 2011, 11:40:54 AM: ew flail hammers

Change the angled side panels for straight ones and get rid of the flails (unless you want stuff like flail razors, flail irons arent great)
Might have to get a bigger disk if the straight panels wont fit.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on October 14, 2011, 11:55:02 AM: Good, you removed the anglers.

The weapons still suck though. Go have a look at Urjak's showcase if you want ideas for shell spinners.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on October 14, 2011, 01:26:00 PM: Third one changed the wheels to Micro and now it can destroy any AI HW.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/34868Twisted3.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on October 14, 2011, 01:48:46 PM: Micro Wheels are a bad choice. You idealy want Hypnos, or Minis if weight is an issue. Good choice of weaponry, though, razors are the most effective choice for Flail Sheck Spinners, but I wouldn't have Light DS teeth there, they won't be hitting anything because of the flails there.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on October 14, 2011, 05:08:02 PM: Went to the micros looking for grip adding hypnos would be more weight and would require build a new bot from scratch because of space issues. Put the teeth for when the spikes and fails are gone and need a little weaponry left to keep fighting as well as another thing to take damage before the shell gets hit.

I also have a MW with the same design that I will upload when I get the time.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on October 14, 2011, 05:18:23 PM: Much better. But yeah, use large ant wheels and NPC fasts.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on October 15, 2011, 06:30:17 PM: Changed the wheels back on the HW.

Here is the LW shell spinner
Armor: 1mm Plastic
Drive: 2x Astro with Wides
Weapon: TWM with 10 flail razors
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/70128LWSheck.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on October 16, 2011, 05:48:24 PM: Copied the design for all three weights:

LW:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/12836Sheck_LW.jpg)

MW:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/3894Sheck_MW.jpg)

HW:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/56033Sheck_HW.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Clickbeetle on October 16, 2011, 10:48:19 PM: Those are some nice screenshots there. You got anti-aliasing turned on? Really high-res too. A lot of people could learn from screenshots like that.

...oh right, the bots. Back in the day you could make shell spinners like that, but now it's essential to have bottom armor (except in the LW class, where it helps greatly but isn't totally essential). Get some extra weight (change the irons to razors for a start) and use it to put a DSL disc under the chassis, or at least some titanium half sheets (though some popups can hit through those).

The bots are pretty generic but if you're just going for effectiveness that's not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on October 17, 2011, 03:38:00 PM: Ya I have AA up to 32x and 1920x1080 res so the game looks real nice.

When I try to add half sheets on the bots it turns red and will not allow me to attach them. I am using the short attachment point so I am not sure what is wrong and I can use come ideas on how to attach a the shell discs to the bottom of the bot. I am thinking of using the base plate anchor but I am not sure if there is a lighter way.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Clickbeetle on October 23, 2011, 10:15:21 PM: If the game tells you "baseplate components must fit inside the chassis" (most annoying error message in the game BTW) it means the chassis needs to be taller. Half sheets can't be attached to minimum-height chassises. I think the minimum for half sheets is 0.4something.

Upside down baseplate anchor works for attaching bottom armor, if you have room in the chassis. Otherwise you can use a multiextender with a 20cm extender coming down off the side, which is 1kg heavier but smaller. Skirt hinges can also work and are very flat but you run the risk of the armor flexing out of the way and the chassis being hit.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: 123savethewhales on October 24, 2011, 05:39:48 AM: Some chassis height breakpoints

0.338182 (lowest botlab height)
0.353 (skirt hinge raised by 8)
0.38 (NPC vertical)
0.41 (half sheet and 4 ants)
0.43 (small multi extender raised by 7)
0.48 (small multi extender rasied by 8)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 03, 2011, 11:58:52 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/66188bot1.jpg)

It has been awhile so here is a new bot.
Armor is 10mm plastic.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: The Ounce on November 04, 2011, 12:04:53 AM: It's a pretty decent bot, but 10mm plastic is overkill. If you drop it to 5mm plastic (which is lighter but just as strong), you can use the weight on wheels with higher grip, more external armor, or more weapons.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on November 04, 2011, 07:21:20 AM: Too large of a chassis. The weapons also don't stick enough outside.

Also, as Ounce said, these wheels are good for hitpoints, not for grip. Get hypno wheels.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 04, 2011, 11:19:36 AM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/52948bot1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 04, 2011, 02:58:55 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/30310bot1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: madman3 on November 04, 2011, 04:47:34 PM: First one is better as it won't be flanked as easily. Front protection is stronger too. I'd remove the DSL bar since it's just wasting weight.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on November 04, 2011, 04:52:56 PM: Drive's better, but it seems just worse overall to me.

Get rid of your random dsl bar armor, work on simplyfing your setup and having a smaller top. Also still a bit messy.

Or just remove the plow and let other bots ride on that bot's back flat, to maximize contact between your weapons and your opponent's belly plate.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 04, 2011, 08:30:41 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/39375bot1.jpg)

Armor 5mm Steel
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: russian roulette on November 04, 2011, 08:36:23 PM: Downgrade the chassis armor, 5mm Steel is overkill. Try Plastic 5mm. With the decrease in weight, add better wedges and outer armor.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 04, 2011, 08:56:48 PM: Quote from: russian roulette on November 04, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
Downgrade the chassis armor, 5mm Steel is overkill. Try Plastic 5mm. With the decrease in weight, add better wedges and outer armor.

I did lower to armor down to 5mm plastic but I like fire more :)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/65631bot1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: russian roulette on November 04, 2011, 09:02:06 PM: You still have 15 KG left over.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 04, 2011, 09:32:22 PM: Took care of the extra kilos not sure what way is better.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/83880bot1.jpg)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36117bot2.jpg)

Also anyone know how much fuel the flame throwers use a sec?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: FOTEPX on November 05, 2011, 01:23:10 AM: Quote from: ayak420 on November 04, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
Took care of the extra kilos not sure what way is better.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/83880bot1.jpg)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/36117bot2.jpg)

Also anyone know how much fuel the flame throwers use a sec?

Looks like a race car now.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on November 05, 2011, 03:12:49 AM: Quote from: ayak420 on November 04, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
Also anyone know how much fuel the flame throwers use a sec?
Use the smallest air tank, then wire the control for it as an analog. If you hold it down, it will still fire with no fuel!
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Badnik96 on November 05, 2011, 08:49:40 AM: That looks sick. I love it.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on November 05, 2011, 09:22:37 AM: That thing looks mad. Nice job with not having the teeth intersect. I'd try to get some slightly more durable frontage, however, perhaps a Skirt Hinge with some 40cm Tite Panels, if you can.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on November 05, 2011, 11:55:38 AM: That looks awesome if the wedges works well.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 05, 2011, 03:27:59 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/29996bot1.jpg)

Used two layers of angled side things for the front side wedges and used the large bottle because I had extra weight left over. Could not fit a mini bottle and a second layer for the middle wedge.

Can't really think of much else to do to make this bot any better with out a complete rebuild.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 05, 2011, 08:27:54 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/24572bot2.jpg)

Here is the new project. Right now the wedge is pretty bad most bots will get stuck in front of the robot just out of range of the razors. Tried the skirt hinge with 40mm but it would just bend out of the way

Armor: 5mm plastic
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on November 05, 2011, 09:40:09 PM: Cool. Looks like Devils Cherry.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on November 06, 2011, 04:01:16 AM: For reference:
https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,925.msg407368.html#msg407368 (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,925.msg407368.html#msg407368)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 06, 2011, 03:17:32 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/80252bot2.jpg)

Fixed the wedges so that they actually work and now this thing throws bots across the arena.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 06, 2011, 05:42:33 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/83107bot2.jpg)

IRL version
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on November 06, 2011, 07:00:40 PM: Let me say 2 things:

Don't use FrenZy hammers on this bot
Could you explain how this is more IRL than the one with the razors
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on November 06, 2011, 07:09:41 PM: It has a few spinning weapons, rather than lots, which wouldn't deal much damage at all IRL. Although IRL Building + Metal Hinge wedges = Poor show. Remove the Metal Hinges and Side Panels, and I reckon that'd allow you to get a skirt hinge with some stronger protection on the front, such as Titanium 40cm Panels. I might put a Hazard-esque spinning blade, or a tribar of some description with a few weapons on it, rather than the Frenzy hammer assembly you have at the moment, for added IRL-ness.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 07, 2011, 09:13:29 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/79230bot2.jpg)

Kept the metal hinges only because the wedge would not work otherwise.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on November 07, 2011, 09:21:48 PM: If it's IRL, I like it.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 07, 2011, 09:41:09 PM: Ya it is an IRL bot.

Also is there an AI pack that has a bunch of IRL bots to fight against?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on November 07, 2011, 09:43:07 PM: There is an IRL pack which has a bunch of custom components. The bots are kind of mediocre and the project fell apart due to lack of interest.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: FOTEPX on November 08, 2011, 09:41:04 AM: Quote from: ayak420 on November 07, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/79230bot2.jpg)

Kept the metal hinges only because the wedge would not work otherwise.

That's about as IRL as a block of cheese.

And blocks of cheese are IRL so :gawe:
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on November 08, 2011, 10:06:09 AM: Doesn't look too bad. I might try having the disc further back, and a wheel at each corner. That'd probably help with the wedge a little bit, as well as with stability and turning circle. As I've said, though, IRL Building + Metal Hinge Wedges = Poor show. You could probably attempt a skirt hinge, I think that should work reasonably well for IRL building, but you don't see wedges like Metal Hinge ones on real bots for offense. Only for defense on the sides, such as Panic Attack. If it was on the front, it would dig into the ground, and screw up your mobility.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on December 02, 2011, 12:27:29 PM: Armor: 10mm Steel

Two Judge motors for the flipper and 7 or 8 batteries.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/87061bot1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: smashysmashy on December 02, 2011, 12:34:38 PM: If this is IRL then:

Metal hinge wedges = poor show.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: powerrave on December 02, 2011, 12:42:13 PM: This? IRL? Hell no. Exposed motors on the top is a more typical thing from DLS Realistic.

And on that note. Steel 10 is overkill. downgrade armour and get better wedges (DSL bar with small wedge).
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on December 02, 2011, 12:56:33 PM: Hammer/Flipper Hybrid? Don't see too many of those. I'd try to get the hammers potisioned closer to the center of the machine, though, rather than out at the sides. I'd also swap the Mags for BSG's, to save on weight and batteries. I'd drop the armour to Tite 5 at the very most, and add some more batteries to supply the bursts, I think you need at least 14 for this design if you used four BSG's.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ty4er on December 02, 2011, 01:00:16 PM: uh what mags, they're judge bursts :P
You would need more batterys though.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on December 02, 2011, 01:02:52 PM: it's not even dsl realistic since it uses gay judge bursts
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on December 02, 2011, 01:03:46 PM: If it's a serious DSL bot, then they should be BSG's. If it's IRL, then the motors shouldn't be exposed like that, and GET RID OF THOSE METAL HINGE WEDGES. Seriously, they really do turn my nuts the wrong way.

Still needs more batteries and less armour, though.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on December 02, 2011, 01:30:25 PM: In overall hammer/flippers just suck unless they are really good at clamping and are surrounded with stabilizers.

Quote from: NFX on December 02, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
If it's a serious DSL bot, then they should be BSG's. If it's IRL, then the motors shouldn't be exposed like that

=> you implying IRL isn't serious DSL. Thank you NFX. :trollface

Anyways, why are metal hinges so hated in IRL ? Because the mass has decided so, or is there a reason for it ? They're pretty much realistic, and snapper wedges (which are probably better than metal hinges) are not frowned upon.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on December 02, 2011, 01:45:03 PM: Quote from: Naryar on December 02, 2011, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: NFX on December 02, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
If it's a serious DSL bot, then they should be BSG's. If it's IRL, then the motors shouldn't be exposed like that

=> you implying IRL isn't serious DSL. Thank you NFX. :trollface

Anyways, why are metal hinges so hated in IRL ? Because the mass has decided so, or is there a reason for it ? They're pretty much realistic, and snapper wedges (which are probably better than metal hinges) are not frowned upon.

DSL and IRL are different building styles. Though the line is being blurred by some. IRL places aesthetics above efficiency, whereas with DSL, it's the other way around. Both are excellent, in my view, and both take different building aspects seriously. =D

And Metal Hinge - or sprung - wedges are only ever used in IRL for side defense. If you tried to use it on the front as an offensive strategy, it would simply dig into the ground, and severely hinder your mobility, probably folding under you sooner or later.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on December 04, 2011, 07:42:42 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/48105bot1.jpg)

Armor 5MM Plastic
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on December 04, 2011, 10:14:08 PM: Why is the one tooth turned at a weird angle.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: powerrave on December 05, 2011, 04:26:15 AM: I like it, but I think you can get a lighter stabilizer at the back and then get alu or even ti extenders for the weapons.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: FOTEPX on December 05, 2011, 04:45:36 AM: I really like it. Reminds me of NFX's SWARM. Only needs 3 ants, though.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: powerrave on December 05, 2011, 04:55:06 AM: Quote from: FOTEPX on December 05, 2011, 04:45:36 AM
I really like it. Reminds me of NFX's SWARM. Only needs 3 ants, though.
No. 1 ant per spin motor. that bot has 4 spin motors thus needs 4 ants.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: FOTEPX on December 05, 2011, 06:08:08 AM: Astro's need half an ant, and piglets need approx. 0.90 of an ant. I found that out with Child Prodigy.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: cephalopod on December 05, 2011, 06:21:42 AM: I would make the back thing lighter (use a flipper segment instead of the DSL bar?), take off the typhoon spikes (DSL bars are pretty strong stabilizers for LW) and then make those poly extenders stronger, and also the multi-extenders that hold the Piglets. Just my thoughts. Looks nice though :D
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on December 05, 2011, 06:44:23 AM: Quote from: FOTEPX on December 05, 2011, 06:08:08 AM
Astro's need half an ant, and piglets need approx. 0.90 of an ant. I found that out with Child Prodigy.

All spin motors need an ant, if only for battery longevity purposes.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on December 06, 2011, 09:31:57 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/68734bot1.jpg)
Armor: 5mm Titanium
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: MassimoV on December 06, 2011, 09:46:32 PM: Interesting concept. Might want different wheels and make your stabalizers wider. Possibly cut down on some empty space and you still have about 13 units to play around with. Doesn't look bad though.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on December 06, 2011, 11:25:22 PM: The glaring problem here is EXPOSED 400 HP MOTORS. Also you need stabilizers

Also you can make it smaller, attach all your razors to only 2 extenders (you don't need 4). I would change the chassis's shape so that the motors are inside and in front of where your CB currently is., in a T-shape with the two motors facing outside.

So that you may only use a single multi and save weight with only one longer DSL bar as stabilizer in front on the bars

Like this:

W NPC NPC W
M M
R R a a R R
ext g g ext
R R R R
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on December 07, 2011, 05:15:38 PM: (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/39055bot1.jpg)

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/29274Bot3.jpg)

Both have 5mm Plastic
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on December 07, 2011, 05:47:41 PM: I didn't meant like that...
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: SKBT on December 07, 2011, 05:50:50 PM: Quote from: Naryar on December 07, 2011, 05:47:41 PM
I didn't meant like that...

C'mon Nary the second one probably looks cool from another angle and could pass as an IRL bot. If he played around a bit with the stabilizers.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: NFX on December 07, 2011, 05:58:55 PM: What Naryar meant was to have the two Magmotors in the middle of the chassis, with the drums pointing outwards, the opposite of what you have at the moment. I was trying to figure out what M, a and g were. It would look somewhat similar to Tha Thumperiser if you got the setup as Naryar suggested it.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on December 07, 2011, 07:00:18 PM: Quote from: Naryar on December 07, 2011, 05:47:41 PM
I didn't meant like that...

I tried to make one like that but could not think of a good way to have the supports without it being a tripod
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on December 07, 2011, 07:56:39 PM: What I meant is making it a tripod.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on December 07, 2011, 10:17:41 PM: Wouldn't that make it unstable when turning?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on December 08, 2011, 05:51:01 AM: Not as long as the bot's contact surface with the ground is large enough, and I bet it is.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 01, 2012, 05:12:10 PM: So I decided to reinstall RA2 today and I came up with this IRL MW. Armor is 3mm Plastic

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/95539IRL_MW.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on November 01, 2012, 05:32:41 PM: why 4WD
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Badnik96 on November 01, 2012, 05:46:26 PM: because it's IRL, that's why.

You could probably weaken the drive and make the spinner a 2-mag though.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: ayak420 on November 01, 2012, 05:57:04 PM: What could I use to weaken the drive?
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Badnik96 on November 01, 2012, 06:04:56 PM: Slimbodies or astroflights would be the best choice.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Mr. AS on November 01, 2012, 06:14:44 PM: Quote from: Badnik96 on November 01, 2012, 05:46:26 PM
because it's IRL, that's why.
which doesnt mean you have to use sh**ty drive.....

Quote from: Badnik96 on November 01, 2012, 05:46:26 PM
You could probably weaken the drive and make the spinner a 2-mag though.
isnt it already a 2mag
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on November 02, 2012, 03:15:07 AM: Quote from: Mr. AwesumSauce on November 01, 2012, 06:14:44 PM
Quote from: Badnik96 on November 01, 2012, 05:46:26 PM
because it's IRL, that's why.
which doesnt mean you have to use sh**ty drive.....
That was my whole point.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: FOTEPX on November 02, 2012, 08:15:15 PM: Could do with a wedge on the front to copy the stylings of Hazard. Otherwise, no offense meant, it looks a bit boring.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Avalanche on November 04, 2012, 04:23:22 AM: Looks kinda generic but slightly cool, i havent much advice here apart from perhaps using better drive.
Title: Re: Ayak420 Showcase Need Help
Post by: Naryar on November 04, 2012, 06:51:00 AM: Quote from: Avalanche on November 04, 2012, 04:23:22 AM
Looks kinda generic but slightly cool, i havent much advice here apart from perhaps using better drive.

Like 2WD NPC.