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Robot Arena => Discussion => Topic started by: Urjak on July 10, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
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Alright, the voting phase of the RA2 Hall of Fame has now begun and will end August 1st.
Voters are allowed to vote for up to ten bots that they think deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Seeing as there could easily be some discussion/persuasion, I decided to allow people to change their votes, but will keep the tally hidden until the poll closes.
To hopefully kick off some discussion, I have paraphrased the reason(s) provided (if there was one) for each nominee:
Ultimatum: None given, though I imagine it was one of the (if not the) first 36HS.
Hammer of Justice: None given, though it is one of the largest bots ever.
Tempus Fugit: None given, though it was a very good LW HS for its time.
Neglected Waterbug: One of the most iconic jugglers (and bots), and had incredible wedges. It spawned a host of clones and gave the Juggler bot type life.
Spinner from the West: This bot, unlike many equally terrible bots, became representative of all the poor tournament bots, and has had more impact on RA2 culture than almost any other bot.
Insult to Injury V: The bot incarnation of the razer guy run, Insult to Injury V proved to be surprisingly effective, and shows you should never underestimate a bot, even if it was a "SFTW."
Project Trinity: First bot to utilize the Trinity Glitch.
E-Rupt: Innovator (and namer) of the Rupt Glitch.
R4: None given, though it was a very successful popup.
Seism 13: With a BBEANS Championship and innovative wedges, this is one of the most well known popups.
EMERGENCY: The bane of every new players' existence, EMERGENCY was clearly the most battle worthy Stock AI bot of all.
Hazardous Contraption: Put jugglers into the spotlight with its BBEANS 4 Championship.
Mako: One of the most cloned bots ever, Mako packed a serious punch and defined the VS class for years.
Iron Spaghetti: The first Flail Sheck Spinner entered into a tournament, Iron Spaghetti gave new life to the design and inspired its massive surge in popularity.
Child's Play IV: Winner of the BBEANS 3 Championship, Child's Play showed that faster weapons aren't always better, and remains a powerful design even today.
SnSnSnSnS: Took the community by storm after its debut in CC 1 and strong performance by its SHW counterpart in CC2, this bot forced tournaments to be held in open arenas and was for a time invincible.
Flaming Wizzer: Won the first even BBEANS tournament.
Absolute Chaos: The second 36HS, AC revolutionized bot building, and its designed became archetypal, so much so that it is considered a mark of achievement in a building career to replicate its design.
Fury: A fearsome and iconic MW HS.
Death Port: The first popup, Death Port stole the show with several tournament victories and gave HSs something to fear.
Rabid Pit Bull: One of the first truely battle worthy FSs, RPB introduced a trapping design that fundamentally changed the way FSs were built.
Iced Out: First showcased popup.
Alien Queen: An iconic VS design.
God Mode: First demonstration of the infamous Hax Mode being used on a competitive bot.
Bladewave: The most effective wammer.
Fast n' Furious: One of the most difficult True Popups.
Eclipse: The RA2 communities first real introduction to Narmor.
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As you can only vote for 10 bots. I didn't vote for SFTW, purely as I felt there were 10 better bots which were more deserving of a vote. I know I probably shouldn't be voting in this in the first place as my knowledge of Ra2 history is limited, but still.
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I just did the ones I know.
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I know I probably shouldn't be voting in this in the first place as my knowledge of Ra2 history is limited, but still.
You could choose to just vote for ones you know about, seeing as you can vote for less than 10 bots if desired.
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I picked 10, though it was hard narrowing it down to that many for me.
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I picked 10, though it was hard narrowing it down to that many for me.
That was kind of the point. I wanted to make sure only the best of the best got in.
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I only Picked 5. :gawe:
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Am I the only one thinking "God Mode" shouldnt be included since there still isnt 100% proof of Hax Mode being legit?
(Opps I think I just sparked more Hax mode discussion.. Dont use this topic, use the Hax mode one..)
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You made me realise that joe,killed my vote for god mode. TAKE THAT SAGE!
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Am I the only one thinking "God Mode" shouldnt be included since there still isnt 100% proof of Hax Mode being legit?
IMO it simply isn't important enough as a robot to be included in the Hall.
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You made me realise that joe,killed my vote for god mode. TAKE THAT SAGE!
ouch that burns
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Half these bots shouldn't be here at all.
It's like a "hall of famous musicians" with nothing but backstreet boys and Bono.
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Half these bots shouldn't be here at all.
It's like a "hall of famous musicians" with nothing but backstreet boys and Bono.
Care to share any names?
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*Voted EMERGENCY, of course*
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According to the RA2Wiki, E-Rupt, EMERGENCY, Spinner From the West, and Child's Play IV are already in the Hall of Fame.
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Hammer of Justice: None given, though it is one of the largest bots ever.
Tempus Fugit: None given, though it was a very good LW HS for its time.
Insult to Injury V: The bot incarnation of the razer guy run, Insult to Injury V proved to be surprisingly effective, and shows you should never underestimate a bot, even if it was a "SFTW."
R4: None given, though it was a very successful popup.
Iron Spaghetti: The first Flail Sheck Spinner entered into a tournament, Iron Spaghetti gave new life to the design and inspired its massive surge in popularity.
SnSnSnSnS: Took the community by storm after its debut in CC 1 and strong performance by its SHW counterpart in CC2, this bot forced tournaments to be held in open arenas and was for a time invincible.
Fury: A fearsome and iconic MW HS.
God Mode: First demonstration of the infamous Hax Mode being used on a competitive bot.
Bladewave: The most effective wammer.
Fast n' Furious: One of the most difficult True Popups.
Eclipse: The RA2 communities first real introduction to Narmor.
Not HoF material.
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According to the RA2Wiki, E-Rupt, EMERGENCY, Spinner From the West, and Child's Play IV are already in the Hall of Fame.
It is being reset.
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Remove God Mode as.. well, Hax Mode? More like Hoax mode.
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Remove God Mode as.. well, Hax Mode? More like Hoax mode.
Remove God Mode? Why in the world would I remove a nominated bot? We can all agree that God Mode is a real robot, so nominating it is valid. We just can't be certain that it uses Hax Mode. That is something for voters to decide, not me.
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Hammer of Justice: None given, though it is one of the largest bots ever.
Tempus Fugit: None given, though it was a very good LW HS for its time.
Insult to Injury V: The bot incarnation of the razer guy run, Insult to Injury V proved to be surprisingly effective, and shows you should never underestimate a bot, even if it was a "SFTW."
R4: None given, though it was a very successful popup.
Iron Spaghetti: The first Flail Sheck Spinner entered into a tournament, Iron Spaghetti gave new life to the design and inspired its massive surge in popularity.
SnSnSnSnS: Took the community by storm after its debut in CC 1 and strong performance by its SHW counterpart in CC2, this bot forced tournaments to be held in open arenas and was for a time invincible.
Fury: A fearsome and iconic MW HS.
God Mode: First demonstration of the infamous Hax Mode being used on a competitive bot.
Bladewave: The most effective wammer.
Fast n' Furious: One of the most difficult True Popups.
Eclipse: The RA2 communities first real introduction to Narmor.
Not HoF material.
I agree on all except for HoJ. I didn't vote for it to get into the hall, but I at least think that it deserves to be on the ballot.
But heck, I don't even know what Eclipse is, let alone what it looks like.
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I agree with System32 on all but HoJ and God Mode. If project trinity and E-Rupt get on there, then so does God Mode. It's the first bot to utilize a new glitch.
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Am I the only one thinking "God Mode" shouldnt be included since there still isnt 100% proof of Hax Mode being legit?
Not saying I dont believe you.. as I think im close to doing the Hax mode glitch..
But if you choose to keep it to yourself you forfeit officialism and all the claims / records that come with it..
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Insult to Injury V, HoJ, and SnSnSnSnS deserve to be on there BECAUSE they are everyday names. You don't hear people talking about the rest terribly much.
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SnSnSnSnS.
I never understood why SnSnSnSnS should be in the Hall. Sure it is a good bot, and maybe it was one of the first SnS to have moving weapons, but I don't see how it altered robot building or made a long lasting mark on the community.
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I might have some idea how Mako inspired VS, and FnF inspired the use of heavy plows, but I have no clue as to how the rest of the bot affected anything.
So I guess I shouldn't be voting.
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So I guess I shouldn't be voting.
Nah, just vote for the ones you think are important enough. If there is only 1 bot on the list that you feel deserves a place then just vote for that robot.
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SnSnSnSnS.
I never understood why SnSnSnSnS should be in the Hall. Sure it is a good bot, and maybe it was one of the first SnS to have moving weapons, but I don't see how it altered robot building or made a long lasting mark on the community.
I felt that it really kicked off major use of the SnS.
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I felt that it really kicked off major use of the SnS.
Maybe, though I think its contributions were overtaken by 123STW and his SnS.
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123 didn't even join until over a year after SnSnSnSnS had made its mark, and wasn't building SnS like RPP for a while after that.
AC, Mako, HazCon, Project Trinity, NWB, RPB, even the original HOJ have all been surpassed by now. However even though SnSnSnSnS was surpassed, it still can stand up to some of the best bots in NAR AI today (in a closed arena, FNF was mauled). And like it was said in the original post, it forced open arenas to become a standard.
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AC, Mako, HazCon, Project Trinity, NWB, RPB, even the original HOJ have all been surpassed by now.
I agree, most of their designs have been surpassed. However, AC was one of the first 36 mace HS (now a hallmark of stock building), Mako inspired a wedge type and a very effective style of building VS, Project Trinity pioneered the Trinity glitch, Neglected Waterbug was one of the first Jugglers, and pretty much defined the bot type (I'm actually not sure if said design has been surpassed), Rabid Pit Bull put FS's into the competitive area with its trapping ability (also not surpassed), the original HOJ remains I believe the largest bot ever, and a fairly old custom bot.
Now what has SnSnSnSnS done? It was one of the first SnS to have moving weapons, I'll agree with that. However, unlike Neglected Waterbug and Rabid Pit Bull, the SnS/HS hybrid is not all that common within the SnS class anymore. You claim it forced tournament hosts to host in open arenas. I disagree. I think that was done to give flippers a chance, and there were plenty of open arena tournaments (like BBEANS 1,2 and 4 which were all before SnSnSnSnS's time.) It might have been a driving force in making CC3 an open arena, but to say it drove the general trend is an exaggeration IMO.
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The problem with SnSnSnSnS was that it stops working once open arena becomes popular. So it didn't really left much impact on bot building.
Not that RPP contribute anything to SnS building either. It is more like the end of the road than anything. Aside from a bit more external armors, it hasn't really changed from the first incarnation. I probably contributed more to killing SnS than making them.
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Not that RPP contribute anything to SnS building either. It is more like the end of the road than anything. Aside from a bit more external armors, it hasn't really changed from the first incarnation. I probably contributed more to killing SnS than making them.
It optimized the SnS for battle against popups and Sheck Spinners (the dominant designs nowadays). I see don't see that as killing the design, I see it as saving the design.
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This is the last day to get votes in, assuming anyone's left who hasn't voted.
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Voted for myself.
derp
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Inductees are:
1st: EMERGENCY
2nd: Spinner from the West
3rd (tie): Neglected Waterbug
4th (tie): Absolute Chaos
5th: Mako
6th: E-Rupt
7th: Hammer of Justice
8th: Insult to Injury V
9th: Project Trinity
10th: Rabid Pit Bull
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RPB? No HazCon? *is suprised*
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs#ws)
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Biggest one I didn't vote for was E-Rupt.
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I didn't vote for Neglected Waterbug, Hammer of Justice, Project Trinity, or Rabid Pit Bull. XD
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I didn't vote for HoJ, E-Rupt, NWB and RPB.
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I didn't vote for E-Rupt, Insult to Injury and Project Trinity
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Wow biggest shock to see Death Port not in.. I mean with all the popup
spam dominance you would have thought the first Popup would get a place in the hall of fame.. :P
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Wow biggest shock to see Death Port not in.. I mean with all the popup spam dominance you would have thought the first Popup would get a place in the hall of fame.. :P
tl;dr of the hall of fame:
If a bot isn't in it, it should be.
Also, screw SnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnS and Somebody. Somebody for over-hyping that damn thing by not shutting up about it, and SnSnSnSnSnS for boosting that moron's ego enough for him to act like the damn thing is something to be feared or put in the hall of fame.
No, wait. screw you all. Screw me for voting it. Screw urjak for the asinine idea of changing it, screw everyone for agreeing with it. Screw every pageview, screw every post. Screw you.
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im going to have to agree with s32 on snsnsnsns and how it shouldn't have even been considered. All it is a pretty generic sns that only won cc1 because almost every other bot in that tournament sucked
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Also, screw SnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnS and Somebody. Somebody for over-hyping that damn thing by not shutting up about it, and SnSnSnSnSnS for boosting that moron's ego enough for him to act like the damn thing is something to be feared or put in the hall of fame.
No, wait. screw you all. Screw me for voting it. Screw urjak for the asinine idea of changing it, screw everyone for agreeing with it. Screw every pageview, screw every post. Screw you.
That's a lot of screws.
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Also, screw SnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnS and Somebody. Somebody for over-hyping that damn thing by not shutting up about it, and SnSnSnSnSnS for boosting that moron's ego enough for him to act like the damn thing is something to be feared or put in the hall of fame.
No, wait. screw you all. Screw me for voting it. Screw urjak for the asinine idea of changing it, screw everyone for agreeing with it. Screw every pageview, screw every post. Screw you.
That's a lot of screws.
Alot? That's a whole Home Depot of screws right there!
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Wow biggest shock to see Death Port not in.. I mean with all the popup spam dominance you would have thought the first Popup would get a place in the hall of fame.. :P
QFT
Anyways, I'm happy E-rupt did well, it was one of my favorite robots.
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The wiki has been updated with the final results.
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im going to have to agree with s32 on snsnsnsns and how it shouldn't have even been considered. All it is a pretty generic sns that only won cc1 because almost every other bot in that tournament sucked
Well there are a few bots in there that never won anything and weren't significant or original. Is it wrong for me to campaign for my own bot, whether I think that it deserves a spot or not? Maybe if S32 ever got off his ass and built something he could've been considered, and he probably would've supported it. Too bad the best thing you ever built was
(https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/images/4/4f/Facemelikeaman.JPG)
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im going to have to agree with s32 on snsnsnsns and how it shouldn't have even been considered. All it is a pretty generic sns that only won cc1 because almost every other bot in that tournament sucked
Well there are a few bots in there that never won anything and weren't significant or original. Is it wrong for me to campaign for my own bot, whether I think that it deserves a spot or not? Maybe if S32 ever got off his ass and built something he could've been considered, and he probably would've supported it. Too bad the best thing you ever built was
(https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/images/4/4f/Facemelikeaman.JPG)
LOL
But kids, play nice... Popular vote is popular vote, your opinion alone isn't enough to change that.
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I have to agree with System32 here. I thought I was the ONLY ONE who thought snsnsnsns was a piece of crap.
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There are so many more deserving bots that should be on this list I feel.
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There are so many more deserving bots that should be on this list I feel.
So do I. :/
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Well there are a few bots in there that never won anything and weren't significant or original.
I'm blaming you for that.
Is it wrong for me to campaign for my own bot, whether I think that it deserves a spot or not?
Yes. It is wrong. You are wrong for thinking otherwise. This was supposed to be a hallmark set of examples of the history of this community. Not a glorified BOTM. Well, it was. I'm blaming you for that, too.
Maybe if S32 ever got off his ass and built something he could've been considered, and he probably would've supported it.
That was uncalled for. No need to get personal here.
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I have to agree with System32 here. I thought I was the ONLY ONE who thought snsnsnsns was a piece of crap.
It wasn't a piece of crap, but SnSnSnSnS was not very important in bot building history.
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I'm blaming you for that.
I'm blaming you for that, too.
Now now S32, no need to get personal here.
Maybe it only won CC1 because it was crappy bots, but a pretty much joke version of it got 3rd in an open arena in CC2, and another version in an opener arena got 4th in CC3. Not a crappy design, and not a crappy bot.
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I'm blaming you for that.
I'm blaming you for that, too.
Now now S32, no need to get personal here.
I'm not being personal. I'm just saying that you are the sole reason this RA2 hall of fame thing shouldn't ever be acknowledged because you turned it into a glorified BOTM.
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I'm not being personal. I'm just saying that you are the sole reason this RA2 hall of fame thing shouldn't ever be acknowledged because you turned it into a glorified BOTM.
Would you please be more specific about what bots you are unsatisfied with? I think many of the bots are deserving because they are famous, hence they should be in a Hall of FAME.
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The only ones with any lick of fame are the touney winners listed, the second placers, the ones who made new types and the ones that used glitches first, wth the exeption of god mode.
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Snsnsnsns didn't even come close to getting in the hall of fame, isn't that what you wanted?
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I voted for it because I didn't know what else to vote for :/
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He's complaining because he thinks that I shouldn't be allowed to want it to be in, or campaign a bit for votes (which I really didn't do at all. Didn't write VOTE FOR SnSnSnSnS!!!!! anywhere...), at least as I see it.
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@Somebody. If I recall correctly, you glorified/blown up/hyped/herpderped that simple bot that anybody could've made into oblivion (but nobody actually did make because such a design deserves no praise whatsoever).
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I fail to see why Blade Wave, Eclipse and FnF are competing here. Sure they were good designs and somehow original at the time of building, but they can't compare with my one other bot in the RA2 Hall of Fame.
If anything, Hazcon and HnM should be in.
And no fear for RPP ? I mean it's pretty much the Absolute Chaos of DSL, but even better against popups !
If anything, we should do a ranking and 20-30 famous bots.
Or maybe we should each, rather than vote via a poll, post a detailed list of the bots we would see the more in this, and reasons why we think they are legendary. Sure it's moar work, but the hall of fame should be more precise and fair rather than influenced by some random n00b who sees this thread and votes for a random bot.
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Or maybe we should each, rather than vote via a poll, post a detailed list of the bots we would see the more in this, and reasons why we think they are legendary. Sure it's moar work, but the hall of fame should be more precise and fair rather than influenced by some random n00b who sees this thread and votes for a random bot.
I'd much rather have 52 voters on a poll than 5-10 detailed votes (which were pretty much what the nomination PMs were for). The more people who vote, the more representative the Hall of Fame will be of our communities's thoughts. I do plan to expand the Hall with subsequent nominations, so bots that people think should have gotten in will get a chance to get in.
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@Somebody. If I recall correctly, you glorified/blown up/hyped/herpderped that simple bot that anybody could've made into oblivion (but nobody actually did make because such a design deserves no praise whatsoever).
Simple doesn't mean its not worthy. I'll agree that maybe SnSnSnSnS wasn't that worthy of a bot (I wanted something in the hall of fame... sue me), but was Death Port really that complicated of a bot? Or SFTW and ITI V which both... hmmm... what was it now... MADE THE HOF.
Or EMERGENCY, or Mako, or Project Trinity, which really isn't a glitch that is used much at all besides for lulzy trinity flyers.
tl;dr It isn't simplicity/ complexity that gets you in, its the legacy that you have, good or bad. SFTW has the meme legacy, and EMERGENCY was the most hated robot for all of us at one time. Anyone could've built those all over the place anyways.
Yet another non-builder insulting those who at least try
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Jesus Christ you are such an idiot.
Let me go over everything you mentioned as nice as I physically can.
SFTW: Gained memetic fame for the "worst entry in a tournament" trope. The community chose this by meme theory.
ITI V: Popularised the "Razor guy run" trope, while not being the namer of the concept, became the codifier.
EMERGENCY: De facto most difficult bot to face in "stock" stock. You are an idiot of the highest order to think this bot does not apply.
Mako: Defined the basic go-to design for DSL VS. Second place BBEANS winner.
Project Trinity: doesn't matter whether you think the glitch is useless or whatever, it was the bot that showcased it first. (God mode does not deserve this as HAX mode is still being debated and is losing the controversial nature of it's essence.)
You know, you are right. SnSnSnS should be in. I'll write the reason up here:
SnSnSnSnS: Most overhyped bot in RA2 history. The only reason it is in the hall of fame is because the creator won't shut up. (http://tinyurl.com/4kg4kpj) We advise all whiny little morons that this robot is a prime example of the idea that moaning and whining enough can get you anything.*
*Moaning and whining cannot get you anything. You are an idiot for thinking this.
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*Moaning and whining cannot get you anything. You are an idiot for thinking this.
Although I probably shouldn't laugh, this was quite good XD
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Yet another non-builder insulting those who at least try
Just saying, spouting such elitist comments tend to make those around you dislike you a lot.
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Or maybe we should each, rather than vote via a poll, post a detailed list of the bots we would see the more in this, and reasons why we think they are legendary. Sure it's moar work, but the hall of fame should be more precise and fair rather than influenced by some random n00b who sees this thread and votes for a random bot.
I'd much rather have 52 voters on a poll than 5-10 detailed votes (which were pretty much what the nomination PMs were for). The more people who vote, the more representative the Hall of Fame will be of our communities's thoughts. I do plan to expand the Hall with subsequent nominations, so bots that people think should have gotten in will get a chance to get in.
Next time we hold this stupd crap I'm gaming it like an international chess match. (Or Ohio.)
Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.
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Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.
Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.
Also, you claim that people, "Vote[ed] Botface X just because." Honestly, the vast majority of the inductees aren't just random bots, they are genuinely important or famous bots of RA2.
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With a turnout of 52 votes and the fact anyone could have nominated the results are pretty accurate for a community selected hall of fame despite what individuals agree on..
If you wanted to take it further you would make a requirement for at least 50% of votes for a robot (so this case only those with >26 votes get in)
Also I would have minded seeing info and possible pics of the nominees before voting.. some people (including me) might not be to up on their RA2 history :P
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Jesus Christ you are such an idiot.
Let me go over everything you mentioned as nice as I physically can.
SFTW: Gained memetic fame for the "worst entry in a tournament" trope. The community chose this by meme theory.
ITI V: Popularised the "Razor guy run" trope, while not being the namer of the concept, became the codifier.
EMERGENCY: De facto most difficult bot to face in "stock" stock. You are an idiot of the highest order to think this bot does not apply.
Mako: Defined the basic go-to design for DSL VS. Second place BBEANS winner.
Project Trinity: doesn't matter whether you think the glitch is useless or whatever, it was the bot that showcased it first. (God mode does not deserve this as HAX mode is still being debated and is losing the controversial nature of it's essence.)
You know, you are right. SnSnSnS should be in. I'll write the reason up here:
SnSnSnSnS: Most overhyped bot in RA2 history. The only reason it is in the hall of fame is because the creator won't shut up. (http://tinyurl.com/4kg4kpj) We advise all whiny little morons that this robot is a prime example of the idea that moaning and whining enough can get you anything.*
*Moaning and whining cannot get you anything. You are an idiot for thinking this.
Not sure how dumb I really am when you can't even correctly read what I posted. Dexterhunter said SnSnSnSnS was stupid because it was simple and anyone could've built it. I was saying that those bots were simple too. I never said that they shouldn't be in, and as a matter of fact, I voted for all of them.
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Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.
Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.
You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.
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Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.
Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.
You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.
I would prefer the many members of the forum decide, not just me and a select others. I mean if 52 of our members select the inductees, we will get a representation of current collective, not just what the AU's and veterans think. Besides, if only a select few vote, other members can accuse them of bias. When the whole forum votes, that bias is drowned out.
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Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.
Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.
You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.
I would prefer the many members of the forum decide, not just me and a select others. I mean if 52 of our members select the inductees, we will get a representation of current collective, not just what the AU's and veterans think. Besides, if only a select few vote, other members can accuse them of bias. When the whole forum votes, that bias is drowned out.
Anyone can post. Almost all reasons are valid.
I never said AU and Vets only post, I said anyone can, if they have a reason for nominating said robot.
I could easily set up a mock "RPesque" example thread for what I am talking about here.
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Do you
Naryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.
Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.
You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.
I would prefer the many members of the forum decide, not just me and a select others. I mean if 52 of our members select the inductees, we will get a representation of current collective, not just what the AU's and veterans think. Besides, if only a select few vote, other members can accuse them of bias. When the whole forum votes, that bias is drowned out.
Anyone can post. Almost all reasons are valid.
I never said AU and Vets only post, I said anyone can, if they have a reason for nominating said robot.
Do you really think that is going to help? In all likelihood, every person who voted in the poll had a reason (it might not be all that well thought through, but they do have one). If they post their reasoning and it turns out to be poor reasoning, we can't do anything about it. So the only thing that will be accomplished is that less people will want to vote because they have to post reasoning and have it scrutinized. I think most people will probably not care about others' opinions, thus they probably won't reconsider their reasoning once posted.
What I am basically saying is that I don't think the quality of the votes will be improved unless the reasoning is screened, which would lead to over-complication and lower voter turnout.
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Do youNaryar's works better. Arguing why it should be in is better than a goddamn popularity contest poll consisting of "Vote Botface X just because" entries.
Don't get me wrong, I like Naryar's idea in principle. However, the problem is that people will vote, and give their reasoning. People like Clickbeetle will probably give a detailed explanation, others might give a line or two. How do we know who has given a detailed enough vote? Do we throw out their vote? Force them to redo it? All I see happening is the voter turnout being reduced, and thus the results less representative.
You will judge, and other sensible/rational/fair people as well.
I would prefer the many members of the forum decide, not just me and a select others. I mean if 52 of our members select the inductees, we will get a representation of current collective, not just what the AU's and veterans think. Besides, if only a select few vote, other members can accuse them of bias. When the whole forum votes, that bias is drowned out.
Anyone can post. Almost all reasons are valid.
I never said AU and Vets only post, I said anyone can, if they have a reason for nominating said robot.
Do you really think that is going to help? In all likelihood, every person who voted in the poll had a reason (it might not be all that well thought through, but they do have one). If they post their reasoning and it turns out to be poor reasoning, we can't do anything about it. So the only thing that will be accomplished is that less people will want to vote because they have to post reasoning and have it scrutinized. I think most people will probably not care about others' opinions, thus they probably won't reconsider their reasoning once posted.
What I am basically saying is that I don't think the quality of the votes will be improved unless the reasoning is screened, which would lead to over-complication and lower voter turnout.
Anyone can post and give reasons as long as the reasons are valid.
I have also other ideas. Why not divide the Hall of Fame in different categories, and make a ranking for each categories ? Categories should be:
-Combat prowess, like most major tournament champions, RPB and NWB
-Fame, like SFTW or Emergency. Anything that is well known.
-Originality, like Death Port 2, Mako or Neglected Waterbug. Basically anything that spawned a new robot type or sub-robot type.
Now for the bots...
-Neglected Waterbug (Vote for Combat Prowess, Fame AND Originality): The original juggler, and a fearsome one. Few bots managed to stay good for years. This one did, also it totally terrified us when we were new to starcore.
-Fury (Combat Prowess/Fame): The iconic Stock MW HS, that has set the standard for Stock MW HS. Also built by the god of stock.
-Rabid Pit Bull (Combat Prowess): Never got the same hype as NWB, still a fearsome robot.
-Hazardous Contraption (Combat Prowess/Fame): Alright, so it's a NWB ripoff. It is still the first DSL MW juggler and the thing that started DSL jugglers.
-Enfilad3 (Combat Prowess/Originality): Pretty much started DSL popups as we know them now. Also pretty good.
-Mako (Originality/Fame): Created the Mako wedge and the Mako style VS. Also the first notable DSL VS.
-Hammer of Justice (Originality): Heaviest and largest bot ever, by a large margin. Just the fact that it's the size of 4 arenas should put it in the HoF.
-SFTW (Fame): Neither original nor good, far from it, but nevertheless accessed to legendary status just because it was awful. Also one of the most iconic bots ever.
-EMERGENCY (Fame): While it wasn't really dangerous even to a newbie builder, it was EXTREMELY ANNOYING and i'm pretty sure all of us ragequitted at least once when faced with him. Also the best stock bot ever.
-Absolute Chaos (C/F/O): One of the first 36HS, and the most known by far.
-Stratocaster (F): Not exceptional, but still very famous, maybe because Kill loves to enter it into random tournaments.
-Minesweeper (F): See Stratocaster
-Seism 13 (C/O): Probably the most original popup ever, also a proof that you can be original and still damn good.
More to come later.
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-Combat prowess, like most major tournament champions, RPB and NWB
-Fame, like SFTW or Emergency. Anything that is well known.
-Originality, like Death Port 2, Mako or Neglected Waterbug. Basically anything that spawned a new robot type or sub-robot type.
This was my plan for subsequent votes (with only ten bots it didn't seem particularly necessary).