Stock "Sportsman Class"

[Naryar]

to repeat things... this isn't "stock but irl"

[helloface]

So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.

[Naryar]

So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.

Nonsense. I am saying this isn't IRL, before newbies make the confusion.

Do not put words I never said in my mouth, Helloface. If I ever say there should be less creativity in RA2, you can safely assume someone hacked my account.

[123savethewhales]

How does any of this make building easier?

So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.

There should be less "creativity" in RA2, since that word has pretty much degenerated into "terrible bots randomly thrown together".

[helloface]

So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.

There should be less "creativity" in RA2, since that word has pretty much degenerated into "terrible bots randomly thrown together".

Not trying to be edgy, but that's absolutely retarded.

[Trovaner]

why ban tribars ? ban unrealistic use of tribars yes, but ban tribars completely, no.

The problem is that the component is just as broken as the 140cm extender with the floating APs due to the way RA2 handles the collision mesh. This isn't about nerfing HS. It has more to do with the fact that the component is *highly* unbalanced and, as a result, we see less variety.

Also, I can't think of a single clear cut way of determining if the use of a tribar is unrealistic. Perhaps if you provided an example.

besides banning tribars nerfs HS and VS quite a bit. HS already have been nerfed enough.

I wouldn't consider HS to be at a complete disadvantage without tribars. Disks work just fine and extenders can be used to make swinging arms. The only notable difference is that weapons won't magically bypass things like snow plows.

[123savethewhales]

So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.

There should be less "creativity" in RA2, since that word has pretty much degenerated into "terrible bots randomly thrown together".

Not trying to be edgy, but that's absolutely retarded.

I am tired of seeing people trying to ban everything that works in the name of creativity, or use creatively as an excuse to why their bot don't work.

Worst is when they call everything that works "abuse".

Banning all the parts you listed will do absolutely nothing to the meta.  It will still be HS against Popups.

[russian roulette]

Banning all the parts you listed will do absolutely nothing to the meta.  It will still be HS against Popups.

This is the defining undertone I am getting too. I can see making a sportsman style DSL BBEANS where the robots have to obey IRL building rules, but with the current rules proposed, it's still going to generate a ton of Popups and Hs's. And if the point is to promote other robot styles with a less glitched-defined building style, it's hard for me to justify it especially with how weak many of the components can be in Stock. I don't know if I am interpreting this correctly, but if I am then I think that a strictly IRL style DSL BBEANS MW could be really fun to watch as opposed to setting restrictions to the previously unrestricted, stock.

[cephalopod]

I think that a strictly IRL style DSL BBEANS MW could be really fun to watch

No it wouldn't. We've had SO many DSL IRL tournaments recently it's not even funny.

[playzooki]

I think that a strictly IRL style DSL BBEANS MW could be really fun to watch

No it wouldn't. We've had SO many DSL IRL tournaments recently it's not even funny.

its not that, but because it is bbeans, everyone would be tryharding. every robot would have a ton of weapon spam.

[russian roulette]

Then how about a SHW BBEANS? That's never been done yet.

[Mystic2000]

123STW: so you want every single damn fight to be 2 stupid, generic HS boringly deweapon each other?? there is plenty of possibilities with this game, and i don't see why because of some effeciencyfags they should be ignored....

RR: >IRL
      >BBEANS
      pick one

So what, you're saying there can't be creativity in stock? The sportsman class is there so every fight is more creative and not just boring HS vs HS, not to make it IRL.

This, so much this, i mean, hell there is a ton of bot types that can be made, and several of them can be done efficient, so i don't see why instead of exploring all the possibilites that can be done and try to enhance as much bot types as possible, we limit just to 1 or 2 because it kills everything known, that's just ****ing up the potential of what can be created with this game.

[Naryar]

123 is just sick of bad builders trying to be original and failing because they're inexperienced.

Or he may just be bringing efficiency into a completely unrelated discussion, this is about creating a new, interesting metagame.

[123savethewhales]

I hate how "creativity" is used as an excuse to build generic uninteresting bad bots that functions 20x worst.

How about coming up with <b>NEW IDEAS</b> for a change?  A bot that's clearly doing something new, not just "I swap out good parts for bad parts for no reason".

[playzooki]

How about coming up with <b>NEW IDEAS</b> for a change?  A bot that's clearly doing something new, not just "I swap out good parts for bad parts for no reason".

i agree

[Clickbeetle]

OK I feel like this thread has kind of gotten derailed.

For the record, I agree with 123STW.  I don't want to ban a lot of parts here.  The goal is to be simple, and a long banlist isn't.

I'm tentatively going to say that the ONLY banned components will be cheatbot2, the Snapper II, and 140cm extenders.  Wedges and caster armor won't be banned either (however, you won't be able to stack casters).

I think banning stacking will encourage creativity on its own.  I'll try building some sportsman bots and see how it goes.

Editing first post with tentative final rules.

[SKBT]

you should also have a rule that says stay within the intended spirit of the rules.

[El Chickenado]

i know this might be a lot but you could run a bbeans tournament in every building style
irl
dsl-s
sportsman stock
and stock
they could take place once every 3 months
but if you dont want to i get it
id enter every building style

[helloface]

BBEANS is way too special to happen every 3 months. It's so major and time consuming too, Click has other things to do too. And IRL BBEANS would suck because it would just feel off.

[El Chickenado]

BBEANS is way too special to happen every 3 months. It's so major and time consuming too, Click has other things to do too. And IRL BBEANS would suck because it would just feel off.

not every year
just one
this is a landmark for BBeans