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Robot Arena => Discussion => Topic started by: J on July 30, 2011, 11:05:59 PM

Title: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: J on July 30, 2011, 11:05:59 PM: Entry #5 in the August BOTM discovered this.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Fracture on July 30, 2011, 11:07:04 PM: I'm still discussing it in the BOTM thread. xD (aka spamming it up)
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: 09090901 on July 30, 2011, 11:08:40 PM: Requires more weight which could be spent on weapons, drive, or armor. Though that's just me, I haven't had any success with it though even with 20 pinks and 2blacks on a 3 DDT flipper.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: J on July 30, 2011, 11:10:52 PM: Quote from: Geice on July 30, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
Requires more weight which could be spent on weapons, drive, or armor. Though that's just me, I haven't had any success with it though even with 20 pinks and 2blacks on a 3 DDT flipper.
No. It has to be a pure pink-battery powered robot, in order for this "thing" to work.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: 09090901 on July 30, 2011, 11:12:05 PM: Quote from: J on July 30, 2011, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: Geice on July 30, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
Requires more weight which could be spent on weapons, drive, or armor. Though that's just me, I haven't had any success with it though even with 20 pinks and 2blacks on a 3 DDT flipper.
No. It has to be a pure pink-battery powered robot, in order for this "thing" to work.
Bot 5 has a black and 9 pinks.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Fracture on July 30, 2011, 11:12:23 PM: Quote from: J on July 30, 2011, 11:10:52 PM
No. It has to be a pure pink-battery powered robot, in order for this "thing" to work.
Soooo then how did BOTM #5 get those super-special-awesome flips with mixed batts...?

Edit: Geice why do you always have to own me at everything
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Preytor_4 on July 30, 2011, 11:13:23 PM: Well it doesn't work with a 472.3 KG 6 razored pure pinked double wedged side popup
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Mr. AS on July 30, 2011, 11:13:43 PM: This is a life-saver. Stacking blacks was stupidly difficult for me.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: J on July 30, 2011, 11:14:12 PM: Wait, since Entry #5 has 1 Black in it...
Maybe its just a matter of mixing and matching batteries O,o
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: JoeBlo on July 30, 2011, 11:35:58 PM: There is something going on for sure..

Im not sure if what was written on #5's splash is accurate for what is happening..

But it has unearthed something new with Pink's/ Battery input...
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Naryar on July 31, 2011, 03:03:04 AM: Nonsense, blacks are much more efficient weightwise than pinks even if you can stack 30 pinks in a spot four times smaller than a black.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: JoeBlo on July 31, 2011, 03:25:59 AM: More efficient for elect totals and basic power needs but have a look at the power loading up pinks creates.. from screenshots in the BOTM thread..
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: ACAMS on July 31, 2011, 06:52:16 AM: OK, we need to ban pinks! .... :gawe:
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: NFX on July 31, 2011, 06:57:31 AM: I decided to test this theory out and see what was what.

I first built a test bot with 2 HPZ motors and Rubber Wheels for drive, and a pair of DDTs with a 20cm extender and Small Wedge component for flipping. The choice of power for each test was a pair of Supervolts (Stacked, of course), and the equivelant in Pink Batteries: Weight for Weight and Power for Power.

I put the test robot in a 3-minute match with Da Dog in the Combat Arena with Hazards turned OFF to test each battery setup, and I tested how high the robot flipped the opponent, and how much battery power was left at the end of the 3 minutes. The 2 Blacks and 16 Pinks gave consistent flipping power throughout the match, but the 7 pinks began to run low quite early on, and the flippers took almost two seconds to fully retract near the end of the fight.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/90596Battery%20Test.png)

From what I can deduce, the 2 Supervolts are not only most efficient weight-wise, but also the best for flipping power. The 16 Pinks offer slightly improved longevity for the power output, but the weight cost is just not worth it, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: cephalopod on July 31, 2011, 07:09:09 AM: What about the pinks and a black, like people mentioned in the other thread?
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Fracture on July 31, 2011, 07:21:53 AM: If neither using all pinks or all blacks has an effect on power supplied at the start of a match, a mix of the two really shouldn't make a difference; which I tested and confirmed in the BOTM thread. (don't kill me ACAMS)
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: NFX on July 31, 2011, 07:37:03 AM: Not really too much of a difference. 1 Supervolt and 7 Pinks (1500/101000) this time, but I had to use Hax Mode to get them all in. 339.4kg now.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62469Battery Test Again.png)

Similar longevity results to the 2 Supervolts, but doesn't flip as high.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Badnik96 on July 31, 2011, 07:42:24 AM: 1 Pink powers my Box of Nightmares entry. Fights fine.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: JoeBlo on July 31, 2011, 07:47:03 AM: I did some of my own testing.. with approx equal weight

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/61501flipcompare.PNG)

Approached the robot at approx the same location and approx the same speed.. (I tested and speed does very the flip, something that others may have neglected)

My guess at this point in time is that pinks fail alone but a mix can be beneficial
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: J on July 31, 2011, 01:43:37 PM: Quote from: JoeBlo on July 31, 2011, 07:47:03 AM
My guess at this point in time is that pinks fail alone but a mix can be beneficial
The Pinks have to be stacked. It's apparently what triggers this.
....At least, according to what Ive seen.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: TeamXtreemer on July 31, 2011, 01:45:53 PM: It's just more power.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Naryar on July 31, 2011, 02:07:05 PM: Quote from: J on July 31, 2011, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: JoeBlo on July 31, 2011, 07:47:03 AM
My guess at this point in time is that pinks fail alone but a mix can be beneficial
The Pinks have to be stacked. It's apparently what triggers this.
....At least, according to what Ive seen.

Doesn't makes any sense, why would stacking (aka the mere location of a component) improve the power of batteries ?

Yeah, I know, RA2 physics doesn't make any sense but this makes NEGATIVE sense !
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: J on July 31, 2011, 02:58:43 PM: Quote from: Naryar on July 31, 2011, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: J on July 31, 2011, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: JoeBlo on July 31, 2011, 07:47:03 AM
My guess at this point in time is that pinks fail alone but a mix can be beneficial
The Pinks have to be stacked. It's apparently what triggers this.
....At least, according to what Ive seen.

Doesn't makes any sense, why would stacking (aka the mere location of a component) improve the power of batteries ?

Yeah, I know, RA2 physics doesn't make any sense but this makes NEGATIVE sense !
Look, I don't know either.
I'm just the guy who made a separate topic about it.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: RpJk on July 31, 2011, 03:40:53 PM: It does not work for me.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: nightcracker on July 31, 2011, 03:52:52 PM: Quote from: J on July 31, 2011, 01:43:37 PM
The Pinks have to be stacked. It's apparently what triggers this.
....At least, according to what Ive seen.

From a programmers perspective: negative.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Zog on July 31, 2011, 06:31:48 PM: Has anyone actually tested this to prove it?
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: nightcracker on July 31, 2011, 08:26:00 PM: Zog: Read page 1 and see pictures.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Zog on August 01, 2011, 04:19:34 AM: Half asleep, sorry.
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: JoeBlo on August 01, 2011, 04:23:54 AM: Quote from: Zog on July 31, 2011, 06:31:48 PM
Has anyone actually tested this to prove it?

yeah...

try reading the.. ya know.. whole thread?..

I mean even the top of this page has pics.. :P
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: cephalopod on August 01, 2011, 04:55:58 AM: So is this now a confirmed glitch or still kinda... shaky? It needs a name, whichever it is XD
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: JoeBlo on August 01, 2011, 06:06:57 AM: "still kinda" would be the answer

Though im claiming it as either "Pink Loading" if its just a building strategy

Or "Firecracker" (after the robot) if its a glitch / similar..

I need to do some more research though..
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Avalanche on August 04, 2011, 04:13:19 AM: Wheely Big Cheeses Playmate?
Title: Re: Stacking Pink Batteries > Black Battieries and Niftys.
Post by: Gazea2 on August 31, 2011, 06:06:42 AM: Slight bump but I just wanted to say that something is going on here. Joe and I shared ideas for a while and then started doing various tests. I'll upload my results when I dig them out.