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Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« on: February 08, 2012, 04:51:31 PM »
OK, there's been stuff in NAR AI, and in showcases, to do with wheels and motors that have been bugging me as of late, specifically, the relation between the two. So, I decided to sort out the whole wheels, motor thing as simple as possible, in Leyman's Terms. Here we goo~

1. For the love of crap, don't use non drive motors for drive. Only use NPC-T64's (And their fast variant) Astroflights, Copals, Slimbodies, E-Tek Drive Motors, and TWM3R Drive Motors. All the rest are for weaponry's sake, so don't use them on the drive. Please.

2. Hypno Wheels aren't as good as you think. Now, I might be hung for this, but it's my opinion. After quite a bit of testing, I realised something. Let's say that We have two motors, a Copal and an Astro. Now, we're gonna try out 3 wheels on each motor, and see what comes out fastest.

The results go:
1st - Astro - Hypno Wheels
2nd - Astro - Micro Wheels
3rd - Astro - Wide Ant Wheels
4th - Copal - Hypno Wheels
5th - Copal - Micro Wheels
6th - Copal - Wide Ant Wheels

Now, you're probably wondering why I'm telling you this: Of course they would be the results. Well, it's down to the weight.

1st - Astro - Hypno Wheels - 35KG
2nd - Astro - Micro Wheels - 30KG
3rd - Astro - Wide Ant Wheels - 25KG
4th - Copal - Hypno Wheels - 29KG
5th - Copal - Micro Wheels - 24KG
6th - Copal - Wide Ant Wheels - 19KG

You'll notice, from 4 to 3, the weight actually DROPS by 4KG, and is also faster, meaning that Copals with Hypnos are pretty much rendered useless.

Other combos that are useless are:

Copal - Hypno
Astro - Hypno (Beaten by Slimbodies with Wide Ants, at 33KG, compared to Astro - Hypno's 35KG)
Slimbodies - Micro AND Hypno (Beaten by TWM3R's with Wide Ants, at 38KG, compared to Slimbodies - Micro's 38KG - Weight is same, speed is faster.)
TWM3R's - Micro AND Hypno (Beaten by NPC- T64 with Wide Ants, at 43KG, compared to TWM3R'S - Micro's 43KG - Weight is same, speed is faster.)
NPC-T64 - Micro AND Hypno (Beaten by NPC-T64 Fasts with Wide Ants, at 48KG, compared to NPC-T64 - Micro's 48KG - Weight is same, speed is faster.)

That's where the rate ends. Upgrading to E-Teks after this is pointless because they're so bloody huge, but if you're building like a SHW, or a UHW, go right on ahead and use E-Teks. They're the best option for the weight class.

And that's all~
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 04:59:29 PM »
I'm gonna go to sleep now. It's 11PM over here, I feel like I'm gonna throw up, and I got school tommorow.

Oh yeah, that took like 20 minutes to write up. 20 mintues I could've spent sleeping...

Ugh... My Stomach...
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 05:10:04 PM »
Of course high grip wheels are wasted by being put on crap motors like the three lightest ones. Though hypnos also have good HP NPCF/LAW's beats Mags/Hypnos any time for the same weight, excepted on HP.

And you have forgotten wheel HP in your calculations. NPC Fast/LAW's might perform better than Mag/Hypno on a pure acceleration/kg and maxspeed/kg ratio, it's ALSO far more fragile than Mag/Hypno. See my BBEANS6 entry.


Actually the wheel's grip multiplies the motor's torque.

« Last Edit: February 09, 2012, 04:00:32 AM by Naryar »
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 01:04:00 AM »
And WAWs are so damn small.
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 01:09:20 AM »
Wait... since when can Wide Ant Wheels touch the ground on an NPC?
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 01:11:01 AM »
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 01:24:33 AM »
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 01:41:38 AM »
Whoops. In that case, i meant large ant wheels when i said WAW's in this thread, then.
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 03:54:46 AM »
In terms of speed and weight only, then you are correct. But an NPC and Large Ant Wheel doesn't give invertibility, as a TWMR3 and Mini would. And as Naryar has already said, this doesn't take into account of the HP of the wheels. I will agree that you need a wheel with relative grip for the motor, for instance Astro + Techno will havok to kingdom come, whereas NPC + Techno will be absolutely fine. Puncture III was much, MUCH better with NPC+Minis as opposed to NPCF+Hypnos, because that allowed me to double the amount of weaponry it had. If you're talking purely about speed, then this is a valid system, but there are far more qualities you need to build into robots than speed alone.
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Re: Simple Wheel/Motor Logic
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 03:59:33 AM »
Actually NPC+LAW does give invertibility, you just have to build your bot with the shortest chassis possible. No BFE needed.
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