Should DSL3 be backwards compatible?

[roboman2444]

i think that it should not be backwards compatible. the robots would be so unbalanced. it would be like stock vs dsl!

[Wings]

I'm not sure yet personally.  Maybe if I say some effects for say the effects of increased friction part I might be able to make up my mind.  But until then mark me down as undecided.

[Wings]

I'm not sure yet personally.  Maybe if I saw some of the changes like the effects of increased friction on video I might be able to make up my mind.  But until then mark me down as undecided.

[russian roulette]

what about the bbeans4 bots and the raw bots? will they work?

[Naryar]

Of course not.

[Scrap Daddy]

This is a tough one. I feel bad for all those hardcore DSL players. I personally hardly play dsl. I only play when I need a bot for a tournament or feel like playing with replicas.

I say make DSL3 as realistic as possible.

[JoeBlo]

I still think an easy solution would be have a phased replacement so basically have DSL 2 and DSL 3 separate specifications for things like tournaments (eg: this tournament is DSL 2 Heavyweight or This tournament is DSL 3 Lightweight) and DSL 2 might eventually die out once 3 has been around long enough

I think a lot of people have been waiting for a really realistic robot game

[Madiaba]

Though I'm still undecided, I'm leaning toward the more realistic, because it's fairly easy to just (1)make a new category for DSL3 and (2) make a new set of AI for it.
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[R0B0SH4RK]

I'm starting to think that DSL 3 would be different enough to operate under a different title than DSL. In other words, a whole new mod rather then a patch to an existing one.

[RedSawn]

I'm starting to think that DSL 3 would be different enough to operate under a different title than DSL. In other words, a whole new mod rather then a patch to an existing one.

Actually, yes, that's sensible.

[Naryar]

23rd time i agree with my esteemed rival.

[Urjak]

You count?

[System32]

You CAN count?

[roboman2444]

lol^^

[Clickbeetle]

Well it looks like you all mostly agree not to bother with backwards compatibility.  Good, that makes my job slightly easier.

Now to address some various, quite legitimate worries:

Yes it should be backwards compatible.

I don't want to rebuild entirely the 200+ bots of the upcoming NAR AI pack because of non-compatibility.

EDIT: My post here is probably in vain... the no will most likely win.

Don't worry; DSL3 has grown to such a massive project that it will be a long time yet before it's ready for release, even with help (which I will start trying to recruit once the replicas are mostly out of the way and I have a better idea of what needs to be done).  Also, see quote below.

that's a good point maybe the time has come for tournaments to now specify Stock, DSL 2 or DSL 3 (and maybe S32's Catagore) maybe even freedom should be opened up in DSL 2 and keep realism for DSL 3

Well of course, I'm not going to say, "Now that DSL3 is out DSL2 is obsolete and no one should play it."  It will actually be impossible to install it over DSL2 if it's not backwards compatible, so I imagine people will still play DSL2 on occasion.

I'm starting to think that DSL 3 would be different enough to operate under a different title than DSL. In other words, a whole new mod rather then a patch to an existing one.

Except it still uses almost all of the same components, arenas, and replica bots (albeit somewhat modified) as the original DSL.  I'm just changing some game mechanics; very little is actually brand-new from DSL1 to DSL2 and DSL2 to DSL3 (so far).

If I remade all new components and arenas... bleh.  That might mean several years before DSL3 is done.

So I think it stays DSL3 for now.

[Sage]

How bout DSLC? cause you are basically working alone on the third version, you should have your name in the title too.

[Somebody]

Maybe you could include the old DSL2 parts as hidden AI parts, unlockable by cheatbot2 (the same way of how you can use a stock bot in DSL), and then do all of the fixes you need to do on the same components, just change them enough after to make a distinction.