flail rammers above all of those xdddd
i wouldn't say trfbd and vs are top picks, since they either have no defences or no weapons. popups and pure out-weaponing bots are the main types now i'd say
Isn't this just like A.D.C?ADC is too old and indicates a dated metagame I find. Drums are much too high, whilst Shell Spinners are too low and too much is made of the flail distinction which is practically pointless given almost no bots in those types don't use flails.
https://wiki.gametechmods.com/index.php?title=ADC (https://wiki.gametechmods.com/index.php?title=ADC)
heavy rammers and flail rammers beat vs pretty easily, due to survivability and outweaponing capability. same with trfbds really, since they can't have that many weapons because of their design.flail rammers above all of those xdddd
i wouldn't say trfbd and vs are top picks, since they either have no defences or no weapons. popups and pure out-weaponing bots are the main types now i'd say
VS seem to be one of the few bot types that legitimately don't have any really bad matchups besides SnS since they can often just outweapon HS and SnS/remove their setups.
As for TRFBDs, they only really lose to SnS, but they do lose really badly in that matchup. Basically nothing besides VS other than those can touch them so I'd say they hard counter most bot types.
I could have them behind SnS but eh.
Make a Stock Version!hs and good wedges
I can see that being true for VS, but not for TRFBDs since rammers just spaz out underneath them or repeatedly damage their top side attacking.heavy rammers and flail rammers beat vs pretty easily, due to survivability and outweaponing capability. same with trfbds really, since they can't have that many weapons because of their design.flail rammers above all of those xdddd
i wouldn't say trfbd and vs are top picks, since they either have no defences or no weapons. popups and pure out-weaponing bots are the main types now i'd say
VS seem to be one of the few bot types that legitimately don't have any really bad matchups besides SnS since they can often just outweapon HS and SnS/remove their setups.
As for TRFBDs, they only really lose to SnS, but they do lose really badly in that matchup. Basically nothing besides VS other than those can touch them so I'd say they hard counter most bot types.
I could have them behind SnS but eh.
Make a Stock Version!I am most certainly no expert at the Stock meta, Popups are the best realistically and then HS but everything after that I have no idea about.
crawlers>>>>Hammers can beat HS. Can jugglers do that?
why tf do u have hammers in a higher tier than jugglers as
Where's the stock m8?Adding to first post, I agree with most stuff on it.
e: adding more bot types
For IRL, you should list the flipper's effectiveness in an enclosed arena(combat arena/Battlebox) and an OOTA-able arena (BBEANS arena, DSL tourney arena)K.
I personally think flippers are too low for both Standard and IRL.They tend to not have very good damage output (obviously) and are often de-weaponed. Also, their setup often depends on multiple external bursts which get hit too easily. I'd argue that they may be better in IRL but in Standard they are extremely average.
crawlers>>>>Hammers can beat HS. Can jugglers do that?
why tf do u have hammers in a higher tier than jugglers as
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it's silly to rank hammers above jugglers just because of one favorable match up.
...outside of hses and crawlers jugglers will usually beat pretty much everything a popup and any other gut ripper can beatI don't think you understand. Being at top tier and being a widely built type of bot, being able to beat HS is *VERY* important. A juggler is almost certainly going to get trashed by the first HS it sees, where as hammers could put up a fight. Relying on RNG not to match your juggler against a HS is rather silly.
...and are a lot more likely to win a tourney than a hammer (has a hammer ever won a tourney?)Jugglers have won literally one more tourney than hammers according to this thread (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=5289.0), but it needs a serious update.
you might as well put wedgeless vses above rammers because wedgeless vses trash popups.I can agree with moving wedgeless VS up a bit, yeah. I might have been too harsh on them.
I don't think you understand. Being at top tier and being a widely built type of bot, being able to beat HS is *VERY* important. A juggler is almost certainly going to get trashed by the first HS it sees, where as hammers could put up a fight. Relying on RNG not to match your juggler against a HS is rather silly.
Jugglers are over all way better. RPB is a legend. Jabberwock is not.NWB?
I personally think flippers are too low for both Standard and IRL.They tend to not have very good damage output (obviously) and are often de-weaponed. Also, their setup often depends on multiple external bursts which get hit too easily. I'd argue that they may be better in IRL but in Standard they are extremely average.
Jugglers are over all way better. RPB is a legend. Jabberwock is not.NWB?
I mean how many hammer designs can actually take out a good HS? Final destination can, and that's only because of caster armor.
hammers should be pretty low tier because they suck against most things.are you sure hammers can beat other hammers naryar???? :p
They CAN beat hammers and rammers, especially at lighter weightclasses (maybe increase hammer tier at LW/MW ?) but it's not even sure.
hammers should be pretty low tier because they suck against most things.are you sure hammers can beat other hammers naryar???? :p
They CAN beat hammers and rammers, especially at lighter weightclasses (maybe increase hammer tier at LW/MW ?) but it's not even sure.
ohh no the fighting game tier list is being implied prepare for people complaining if you use the high tier bot types
ohh no the fighting game tier list is being implied prepare for people complaining if you use the high tier bot typesBecause people don't already complain about people using Flail SnS or Popups or TRFBDs already... ;)
no but now noobs will look at this list and be like i need to build that its the best!ohh no the fighting game tier list is being implied prepare for people complaining if you use the high tier bot typesBecause people don't already complain about people using Flail SnS or Popups or TRFBDs already... ;)
it'll only be the best if they can build it decently, which will (hopefully) help them learn to build.no but now noobs will look at this list and be like i need to build that its the best!ohh no the fighting game tier list is being implied prepare for people complaining if you use the high tier bot typesBecause people don't already complain about people using Flail SnS or Popups or TRFBDs already... ;)
I mean, its not like new members aren't already building halfassed IRL spinners right off the bat.no but now noobs will look at this list and be like i need to build that its the best!ohh no the fighting game tier list is being implied prepare for people complaining if you use the high tier bot typesBecause people don't already complain about people using Flail SnS or Popups or TRFBDs already... ;)
Yup, it's an unspoken rule that ur a little bitch boi if you enter HS into tournaments. Almost as bad as people still entering the same rad sns and popups, or sticking a dual perm and hammerZ on a chassis and calling it irl.Basically this.
tier lists never work when there is a rock-paper-scissors effect going onActually you can have a tier list since some bot type clearly outclass others by a huge margin, and doesn't have an effective counter outside it's own tier.
That looks more like a 2012 DSL tier list than a 2014 DSL tier list.
And IRL definitely DO NOT need a tier list.tier lists never work when there is a rock-paper-scissors effect going onActually you can have a tier list since some bot type clearly outclass others by a huge margin, and doesn't have an effective counter outside it's own tier.
123 has it right, ish.
RPS effect has no meaning when there are 50 other possible matchups and Rock beats 25 of them while Paper only beats 3.
The reason I linked the smash table was for that reason, a lot of mid to low tier fighters are counter-picks to larger ones. Same goes for pokemon.