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Robot Arena => Discussion => Topic started by: Urjak on May 30, 2011, 11:26:48 PM
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Official Rules:
- People are to nominate 10 bots via PM to me.
- A voting thread will then be made with a poll that contains all the nominees.
- The top 10 bots will then be inducted, with discussion being hopefully plentiful.
There, plain and simple. I currently have 3 votes so far and would like to have more.
Deadline is July 10th.
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Good idea looking at how outdated that list is... I like the idea of lowering the nominees per user. One thing that you need to be careful of is making the hall of fame of a given subject too open, placing those that deserve REAL honor on the same level as those who might not be so great. Keeping the numbers of inductees low is a good way to counter that.
For example, let's just say by some miraculous action my bot Stratocaster was to get nominated.... Stratocaster may have been a good bot in its time and all, but putting it at the same level as legendary bots like Childs Play IV and Absolute Chaos is simply absurd.
Real world example: Everybody who has anything to do with music is inducted into the Rock n Roll hall of fame.
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pit bull and waterbug should be in for sure, and AC, and trinity. the rest should stay honourable mention (which should be on a seperate page) and there's really not many other bots that deserve hall of fame. Adding more would make it pointless IMO
EDIT: actually, any bot that truly makes an innovation in building should be honored. Why is hazcon honored and neglected waterbug not? honestly.
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EDIT: actually, any bot that truly makes an innovation in building should be honored. Why is hazcon honored and neglected waterbug not? honestly.
Look at the date of induction... it was big at the time. In hindsight, not really that big a deal; but then? Whole different story.
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EDIT: actually, any bot that truly makes an innovation in building should be honored. Why is hazcon honored and neglected waterbug not? honestly.
Look at the date of induction... it was big at the time. In hindsight, not really that big a deal; but then? Whole different story.
Yes, but the description says "the start of all DSL juggler designs"... whereas Waterbug was the start of all juggler designs period. which should be in the hall of fame?
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Hey, I can't justify others' logic. I'm just giving you the facts.
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EMERGENCY should still be on there too.
Also, Sage build a bot that defeated HoJ? Say WHAT? :eek:
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EMERGENCY should still be on there too.
Also, Sage build a bot that defeated HoJ? Say WHAT? :eek:
why is there no battleshots for stock RA2?
anyways, check this out.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/846screenshot_144.jpg)
i have no idea how the heck it happened. i think that my HS (which was AIed) havoked UNDERNEATH HoJ, and attacked his teeny-weeny chassis for the kill.
the chassis looks like this:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/38750screenshot_138.jpg)
yes.. in fact you commented on it! :)
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Capping at 10 alone should be enough of a preventative measure IMO.
Apart from cutting off public votes completely and leaving it in the hands of a nomination committee, there's no way to guarantee that only "quality" robots make it in.
Consider this. If the real-life Combat Robot Hall of Fame was decided solely by its organizer then Panic Attack and Cassisus would not have made the cut whilst Tentomushi and Snake would (honorable mention but still). So would have Run Amok; there's no way that would have gone over well politically
Maybe we could have a thread for camaigning for bots you'd like to see inducted. I know a lot of people respect your guys' opinions I'm sure it would be no trouble for one of you to convince the hordes.
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EMERGENCY should still be on there too.
Also, Sage build a bot that defeated HoJ? Say WHAT? :eek:
why is there no battleshots for stock RA2?
anyways, check this out.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/846screenshot_144.jpg)
i have no idea how the heck it happened. i think that my HS (which was AIed) havoked UNDERNEATH HoJ, and attacked his teeny-weeny chassis for the kill.
the chassis looks like this:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/38750screenshot_138.jpg)
yes.. in fact you commented on it! :)
Well, so I did lol. I guess it was so long ago I forgot. Almost 3 years ago in fact.
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Joe's Engage should be on there, as its the only robot capable of preforming magic tricks.
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What do you guys think? Good idea? Bad idea?
Bad Idea for DSL.
Bots 2 years ago are so outdated they have no chance against modern designs, but they will remain the most remembered. Adding modern designs and we just end up talking about which bot has the most flails/best wedge/smallest chassis/most weapon KG. It's really like beating a dead horse.
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Any given TRFBD should be on the list :trollface
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It is a little bit outdated, and it could use some cleaning up, but I have a bad feeling that it could end up going the same way as the rep system did. Unless EVERYBODY actually does it properly, and I just can't see that happening, in all honesty...
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Restart the list
up to 5 nominees per user with justification ?
If justification holds they go on a list.. once we are happy with all the nominees everyone select say 3? off the list and then we work out the most voted for Hall of fame?
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Restart the list
up to 5 nominees per user with justification ?
If justification holds they go on a list.. once we are happy with all the nominees everyone select say 3? off the list and then we work out the most voted for Hall of fame?
So if I am understanding this correctly, only 1 or 2 robots get in? And we restart the list?
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Thats just my thoughts..
And more then 2 robots :P .
Its would have to be based of the amount of people voting on the list (not everyone needs to nominate something and if multiple people nominate the 1 robot it still counts as a single nomination)
Its just giving people options to vote on rather then tallying up what people can think off the top of their head..
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I agree you system would help guarantee a more accurate and compact nomination.
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I think Joe's idea sounds quite good. Say, we ended up with a shortlist of bots, and came up with around 5 Hall Of Fame entries, and 5 Honorable Mentions, depending on how many people vote.
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You might want to separate the inductees into sections...for example "Tournament Winners" would contain bots like Hazardous Contraption and Flaming Whizzer, "Robot Milestones" ones like EMERGENCY and E-Rupt, etc.
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You might want to separate the inductees into sections...for example "Tournament Winners" would contain bots like Hazardous Contraption and Flaming Whizzer, "Robot Milestones" ones like EMERGENCY and E-Rupt, etc.
That's there the validation comes in, you have to explain why you think certain bots should be entered into the RA2 Hall of Fame.
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Which makes me wonder...does anyone have a file for the Drumblebee shown in the Hall of Fame? I'd like to study it and how to improve my own Stock Drums.
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It's in PYS AI as Drumblebee 5.
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Which makes me wonder...does anyone have a file for the Drumblebee shown in the Hall of Fame? I'd like to study it and how to improve my own Stock Drums.
https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/HW/Clickbeetle_Drumblebee%205.bot (https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/HW/Clickbeetle_Drumblebee%205.bot)
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I think 10 sounds like a better number. I can think of plenty more than that which deserve recognition.
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We should have a bigger bot-allowance on the first ballot, since we're sifting through all of RA2 history. Each subsequent vote can be reduced to a limit of 5 or so after we get all the historical bots out of the way.
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Just a suggestion:
I know that in pro sports (for example, the National Hockey League) there are seperate categories for people who have had differing contributions to the game other than just playing it. In the NHL Hall of Fame, there are three categories: players (who made their greatest contributions playing the sport), management (people who are famous for greatness in coaching and player management), and builders (those who made significant impacts on the growth of the game, like exceptional broadcasters and ownership).
Similarily, I think we could have two categories in the RA2 Hall of Fame: Tournament and Landmark. The tournament section would be for robots that have achieved exceptional notariety through participation in tournaments (ie: SFTW or Mako), whereas "Landmark" robots represent the history of RA2, be it through innovation (Absolute Chaos, Neglected Waterbug) or just aggravation (EMERGENCY).
Another suggestion would to be to do away with the "honourable mentions." Having them doesn't make any sense whatsoever, since merely having them is placing more bots in the Hall. Either they're famous enough to be there, or they're not. There's no real in-between.
By the way, just so you guys can get a feel for a two-category ballot like I've just suggested, here would be my inaugural ballot:
TOURNAMENT:
1) Spinner from the West
2) Childsplay IV
3) Mako
4) Flaming Whizzer
5) Hazardous Contraption
LANDMARK:
1) EMERGENCY
2) Neglected Waterbug
3) Absolute Chaos
4) Drumblebee
5) Tha Thumperizer
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Mine would be:
TOURNAMENT:
1.SFTW
2.Iron Outlaws.
3.COID(because its the worst DSL bot made.EVVVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRR.)
4.SnSnSnSnSnSnS
5.Insult To Injury V
Landmark:
1.Emergency
2.Hammer Of Justice.
3.Project Trinity.
4.Drumblebee.
5.Tha Thumperrizer.
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Sounds good, ROBO ! :approve:
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I like the sound of that, R0B0. Mines would probably go like this:
1: Mako
2: Childs Play IV
3: Flaming Whizzer
4: Hazardous Contraption
5: Seism 13
6: Neglected Waterbug
7: Absolute Chaos
8: EMERGENCY
9: Spinner From The West
10: Project Trinity
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Let me just stop everyone now before this trend becomes 5 pages of votes..
Its not the place right now.. lets suss out a ruleset first..
Another suggestion would to be to do away with the "honourable mentions." Having them doesn't make any sense whatsoever, since merely having them is placing more bots in the Hall. Either they're famous enough to be there, or they're not. There's no real in-between.
Second this..
Its really like "I dont want you in the hall of fame but dont wish to hurt your feelings"
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Alright, so I have read over suggestions and come up with this plan of action.
First off, I will reset the Hall of Fame, and do away with honorable mentions. Following R0B0's proposition, I will break the Hall into two categories. One for landmark or innovation robots and the other for notable tournament participants. I would prefer if everyone gave their reasoning ( a short sentence or two) for why they voted for a particular bot.
As Sonyn_Resetti proposed, I will start off with 10 nominees per voter, and should there be subsequent updates, only 5 nominees per voter from then on.
How does this plan sound to you guys?
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Sounds good to me.
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I am jiggy wit dat.
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wait what?
I was running a second one, and like 2 people voted...
I was planning to bring it back soon too...
*sighs*
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wait what?
I was running a second one, and like 2 people voted...
I was planning to bring it back soon too...
*sighs*
I am sorry if you feel like I am throwing away the work you did, for that was not my intent. The truly Hall of Fame worthy robots will be voted back in anyway. As for the surge in popularity, your guess is as good as mine.
Voting is now open and will cease July 1st. Opinions on deadline are welcome. Members are to send me a PM with their 10 nominees ( this includes both notable tournament bots and innovative or otherwise impressive robots) along with a short explanation for the nomination of each bot. You can send less than 10 if you want. Bots present in 50% or more of the votes will be inducted into the RA2 Bot Hall of Fame.
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Soooooo... can we campaign certain bots? or would that be considered tacky? Maybe start a thread for people to make HOF suggestions? Might be kinda fun for lively debate and I don't really see why people need to write up why they are nominating a bot when majority vote is going to rule over reason anyways.
I guess I got confused... I thought the nominations were going to put the bots into a master list for voting or something. My Bad.
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Soooooo... can we campaign certain bots? or would that be considered tacky? Maybe start a thread for people to make HOF suggestions? Might be kinda fun for lively debate and I don't really see why people need to write up why they are nominating a bot when majority vote is going to rule over reason anyways.
I guess I got confused... I thought the nominations were going to put the bots into a master list for voting or something. My Bad.
Joeblo did propose that, but I decided against it. I figured pure ballot voting would work just as well and be simpler.
I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to campaign for certain bots. I certainly wouldn't mind...
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I figured pure ballot voting would work just as well and be simpler.
Well.. now all you have is what we already had..
Your basically restarting the list now because you don't agree with the placement of some..
I mean no offense but your really not improving the system much.. you just going to get the same results split into 2..
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I figured pure ballot voting would work just as well and be simpler.
Well.. now all you have is what we already had..
Your basically restarting the list now because you don't agree with the placement of some..
I mean no offense but your really not improving the system much.. you just going to get the same results split into 2..
Okay... First off I had no problem with current Hall of Fame. I did however agree that it could be more compact, and that the original 25 nominees was to blame. The honorable mentions list was rather large and didn't add much (both my opinion and that of other members), so I decided to do away with it. R0B0 recommend I split up the Hall into notable tournament bots and innovative bots, and so I did. Heck, honestly the only thing I didn't do was what you proposed. Really the only thing people seemed to not like about the current Hall of Fame was that it was too large, and the honorable mentions category was kind of a waste.
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Honestly all you have to do is scrap the honorable mentions and sort out the current list into 2 categories.. thats what im getting at.. your achieving nothing by restarting it, people voted that way before and they will likely vote that way again.
My suggestion was one of many possible options for developing a system.. I dont care if it isnt used (just want to clear that up before you jump to that conclusion) as I had no problem with the current Hall of Fame..
But the only reason you would want to restart is to improve the system someway.. its a horrible waste of time to restart, have everyone vote the same way, restart, have everyone vote the same way and contiously find similar results..
By my understanding is you wanted 2 things improved..
1) reasons for robots to be there.. This was partially fixed by having people add explanations to the votes, but who decided if they hold up ? a single person's opinion isnt balanced enough.. The separation is a neat idea but not essential to cure the "problem"
2) some making it in while similar yet more notable robots are missing the cut (NWB example) this hasn't been addressed in any way.. the way I see it people tend to forget various robots when trying to reel a list off the top of their head, That was the basis of my nominate/ vote idea or JD's talk of campaigning or debating would also work..
You can run it anyway you like but you made this thread on the basis the system was flawed but I cant see any significant changes so im throwing in my food for thought so we dont get a "Well that didnt work" follow up topic.. ;)
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3.COID(because its the worst DSL bot made.EVVVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRR.)
Not so sure about this one. SFTW was also indeed a very bad robot, but to a comical extent, which in turn gained it popularity- a bit like how Eddie the Eagle became popular in the Winter Olympics. In my opinion however, COID was more flat-out bad, in my opinion.
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By my understanding is you wanted 2 things improved..
1) reasons for robots to be there.. This was partially fixed by having people add explanations to the votes, but who decided if they hold up ? a single person's opinion isnt balanced enough.. The separation is a neat idea but not essential to cure the "problem"
2) some making it in while similar yet more notable robots are missing the cut (NWB example) this hasn't been addressed in any way.. the way I see it people tend to forget various robots when trying to reel a list off the top of their head, That was the basis of my nominate/ vote idea or JD's talk of campaigning or debating would also work..
You can run it anyway you like but you made this thread on the basis the system was flawed but I cant see any significant changes so im throwing in my food for thought so we dont get a "Well that didnt work" follow up topic.. ;)
Hmmm... Your second point gives me pause. I have to agree other bots may be missed out that rightfully go there... Tell you what, If I keep the 10 nominees per voter system I have, what exactly would your plan then do? Form my understanding, some (or maybe all) the nominated bots show up on a poll, then the most voted on bots there (how many? top 5? top 10?) get inducted into the Hall, and I would assume would get placed into the tournament bots and innovative bots section for easy organization.
If you plan is what I think your plan is, then perhaps I was wrong to dismiss it (and people who have already voted will not be effected as long as the 10 nominees per voter requirement stands).
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Im not thinking much about time frames, It could end up a long process but I guess it would be worth it for a hall of fame
(Others feel free to chime in there idea's too, its not my Hall of Fame its the communities)
Now I played this out in my head..
- Everyone nominates up to X amount of robots..
- List is compiled, if multiple robots show up its opuut on the list once but all different reasons listed (for same reasons just pick the best worded ones)
- List is posted and non deserving nominees need to be scrapped.. I would think a poll for what should go (with unlimited options) and X amounts of votes the robot is dropped from the list..
- The final surviving list of robots is then put to a poll (select up to X amount of the options) and the top X amount end up in the hall of fame
Just my thoughts, keeps it all majority opinions but if something is forgotten someone else is bound to nominate it if it has a possible reason for being there..
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Sounds good. I feel it would give deserving bots the best chance of getting on, and also increase overall voter turnout because clicking some buttons on a poll is far less hassle than sending a PM.
Specific to this vote, I would have people vote for 10 nominees by posting on a thread or by PM. I am worried though that if I have two polls (one for the scrapped nominees and one for the actual voting) people might get confused, so I think I will simply put up all the nominees received (there shouldn't be tooooo many), and simply have people vote out of those.
As long as people have no qualms with it I will enact this plan.
I do however need some more votes. I only have one so far... T
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Is it that everyone has forgotten about this or nobody cares? Either way I would appreciate someone answering this question.
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I care. But, I have been too busy to give it much thought. It occurred to me that it takes a ton of brainpower to think back and remember the bots that really stand out from the crowd.
Edit: Oh... and one of your minions just paid me a visit while I was typing this... Trying to pursuade me huh?
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/39164DSCF3672.JPG)
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I say Hammer Of Justice should be in the Hall of Fame.
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Blame Resetti for the 25-bot thing :P
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Can the above to posters please refrain from posting until they have read the whole thread.
Thank You..
You nominate robots (with reasoning provided) via pm, then we put all the nominees into a poll and vote on who should be in the hall of fame..
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Could seriously use some more votes (only have 2). I would expect everyone who showed interest in this thread would give me their votes...
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Gonna vote soon...
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Imma vote after my exams finish tomorrow.
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I'll vote soon. Hopefully.
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BUMP
I think the way that robots are put into the Hall Of Fame should be changed.
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BUMP
I think the way that robots are put into the Hall Of Fame should be changed.
I have already decided to change the format to this:
Official Rules:
People are to nominate 10 bots via PM to me.
A voting thread will then be made with a poll that contains all the nominees.
The top 10 bots will then be inducted, with discussion being hopefully plentiful.
There, plain and simple. I currently have 3 votes so far and would like to have more.
If by change you mean something other than my Joe's format (shown above) than please state you proposition (I won't change for this vote though, seeing as enough switching has already been done).
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Thread Locked.
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Thread Locked.
lolno
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Okay, now the thread is locked.
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I'll give you guys one more chance to calm down, but if this is still going on when I get back from work bans will be dealt.
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Mod Edit: Jesus christ, no!
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I'll give you guys one more chance to calm down, but if this is still going on when I get back from work bans will be dealt.
Oh sparkles...
For one thing, you forgot to put Killin's Xfire, and his PT.
herp derp.
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I appreciate the satire, but one more off topic post and you can expect a week off. Oh, and a make it a month your rubbish posts involve me me.
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Alright... the final deadline is the 10th of July, Please send me your nominations.