Author Topic: Entirely new bracket for tournaments! (Read 3564 times)

System32 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2009, 11:39:54 AM »

Wouldn't that mean Flippers are always on the losing end?

Starcore · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2009, 01:25:06 PM »

My thought is if there is a Win:Loss tie just have the 2 or more bots battle it out as a finals Tie-breaker.

Jeff

System32 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 19, 2009, 01:31:40 PM »

I agree.

hypnodisc7 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 19, 2009, 10:20:18 PM »

This is a good idea. But it would take an eternity to do. I suggest that when these tournies come to be that more than one person take control in producing the tourney. Split the work up amongst members who have decent AIing ability and previous tourney producing experience. Just a thought...

Naryar · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:57:05 AM »

^^ That's a pretty good idea.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #25 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:06:21 AM »

myself and DK were talking about doing one later on, one thing that you have to be wary of is like Doomed Bots, DK made these nice looking opening sequence's and I had to try and duplicate them myself for my vids which proved to be a bit of an obstetrical

kill343gs · « **Reply #26 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:54:14 PM »

This would be very good for an absolute "best robot" type event. However, please note the fact that real robotic combat often has/had hazards to make it a little more interesting, and the upsets and drama and surprises are what make it exciting in the first place. I personally know for a fact that I can't beat ACAMS or Starcore when I enter BBEANS or whatever tourney, its all in the luck of the draw. That, for me, makes it exciting.

System32 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 20, 2009, 04:04:26 PM »

There still will be the upsets, just that they won't be so devastating.

Somebody · « **Reply #28 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:05:06 PM »

Idea time:
For a 32 Bot Tournament.
8 Small Brackets of Yours, with 4 Bots Each.
Winner from each bracket goes into 8 Bot Final Tourney, where winner is decided under current standard tournament. Isn't this like how the world cup or world baseball classic is done?

System32 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:16:21 PM »

yes, that is how it is done.

Clickbeetle · « **Reply #30 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:30:39 PM »

Quote from: Naryar;79069

But yeah, it'll be a HELL of a lot longer than a normal tournament... if i am not mistaken, for a 8-bot tournament, it'll make 28 fights, and a 16-bot tournament, 115 fights :O

You are mistaken. (8x8)-8=56 fights, and (16x16)-16=240 fights :O

And a 32-bot round robin tournament: (32x32)-32=992 fights. :O:O

Compare to a 32-bot standard double elimination tournament such as BBEANS. 62 fights. 186 with best 2 out of 3 format, which is still far less than 240.

The only way this format would be practical is if:

a) You don't record every fight, just report the results, or only record brief highlights
b) Break up the bots into smaller groups as Somebody suggested
c) You only do tournaments with 10 or less bots

If you had infinite time, though, this would be a very cool format to use.

trumpetguy · « **Reply #31 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:41:21 PM »

This should be used to settle small arguement, since the size is too massive.

Naryar · « **Reply #32 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:53:24 PM »

Quote from: Clickbeetle;79789

You are mistaken. (8x8)-8=56 fights, and (16x16)-16=240 fights :O

You are counting the number of times all bots have to fight... not the number of fights.

8 corners for 8 bots. Each line here is a fight, and i counted, it's 28.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #33 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:56:39 PM »

Quote from: Clickbeetle;79789

If you had infinite time, though, this would be a very cool format to use.

indeed :P

I think this format should be kept in mind for people hosting tournaments that dont make numbers up,

for example RODE could have done this with only the 8 robots rather then ending after 3 matches ?

Clickbeetle · « **Reply #34 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:08:01 AM »

Quote from: Naryar;79792

You are counting the number of times all bots have to fight... not the number of fights.

8 corners for 8 bots. Each line here is a fight, and i counted, it's 28.

Gah... OK, my method was right, but I was counting each fight twice as BotX-BotY and BotY-BotX. It's actually half of what I said... 28 for 8 bots, 120 for 16 bots, and 496 for 32 bots. Still a lot. But if you don't do best 2/3, 16 bots would actually be doable.

Somebody · « **Reply #35 on:** November 21, 2009, 08:08:32 AM »

Honestly, if there are 496 fights for a tournament and my bot is near the end of the bracket, im gona lose interest in that tournament.