most of those things arent useless dude :P
firestorm flipper, tribars, hammer, ant blade for the ap, sawblade, light and heavy ds teeth (the others arent bad), hammers, i hope you mean everything on the spike strip apart from razors, some replica disks arent bad, vlad spikes and most of what's in that catagory and the panic attack/storm skirts. People use loads of different wheels aswell.
but i agree on the normals stuff and rebalancing.
The catagories should be sorted out so all the components are in it (like for the heavy/light ds teeth) or atleast some of the 'better' components.most of those things arent useless dude :P
firestorm flipper, tribars, hammer, ant blade for the ap, sawblade, light and heavy ds teeth (the others arent bad), hammers, i hope you mean everything on the spike strip apart from razors, some replica disks arent bad, vlad spikes and most of what's in that catagory and the panic attack/storm skirts. People use loads of different wheels aswell.
but i agree on the normals stuff and rebalancing.
Oh yeah, Forgot to add the Heavy & Light DS tooth nor being useless :P I thought about it though...
Anyways, The saws are useless, Nobody uses them since with the way RA2 works they dont deal almost any damage :\ in dsl they're a lot better than in stock. bit of a glass cannon but still good.
Vlad spikes have normals, Theyre really good but they have normals, That should be fixed (Its like a knife from the sides, it shouldet have normals) well a knife from the side wouldn't really do much to steel :P but i guess it keeps them from being uber weapons or whatever
Some replica discs arent bad, But everyone prefers building their own coz its better. So they should be upped somehow to compete with custom built discs (That use DSL dsics & Weapons)
Tribars arent really used either, I think the black one isnt THAT useless, Its kinda useless though.. The white one is for sure. tribars are used but are pretty weak. there are better alternatives but are still used.
As far as I know, The normal RA2 happens are useless, The DSL ones are the good ones.
Im talking about the categories there, Not just the component on the pic, So if it says a category is useless its coz most of the thing is useless. (Like the Wedges, Only the small wedge is useful)
Click has been working hard to balance all the components for DSL3. For that reason, I think it would be more productive if people assisted him in his efforts. Otherwise, any additional fixes to DSL2 would need to be ported over to DSL3 without ruining its other fixes. The idea itself is a bit of an overhaul anyways so it deserves to have its own major version number.
I'm sure if people offered their services instead of making new packs, DSL3 would get done much sooner. Both JoeBlo's and Naryar's packs attempted to "fix" the problems with DSL2 while adding some of their own additions. I have no problem with people branching out from DSL but understand that it makes development much slower.
As one of the few good AI packs for DSL, people weren't happy to hear that NAR AI was also going to lose its compatibility with DSL2. IIRC, one of the reasons that you made it was because Click suggested that DSL2 wasn't going to be compatible with DSL3? (I'm not sure if this is still true)
NAR AI is compatible with DSL2, and it will stay compatible for now. The opposite is not necessarily true however.
If DSL3 gets released and goes mainstream (as I suppose it will if it gets released) and if I am still an active modder at the time, I will have no other choice than to change NAR AI to DSL3. It will be long and incredibly annoying, but worth it. And I will ask for help from other builders.
Click has been working hard to balance all the components for DSL3. For that reason, I think it would be more productive if people assisted him in his efforts. Otherwise, any additional fixes to DSL2 would need to be ported over to DSL3 without ruining its other fixes. The idea itself is a bit of an overhaul anyways so it deserves to have its own major version number.
I'm sure if people offered their services instead of making new packs, DSL3 would get done much sooner. Both JoeBlo's and Naryar's packs attempted to "fix" the problems with DSL2 while adding some of their own additions. I have no problem with people branching out from DSL but understand that it makes development much slower.
As one of the few good AI packs for DSL, people weren't happy to hear that NAR AI was also going to lose its compatibility with DSL2. IIRC, one of the reasons that you made it was because Click suggested that DSL2 wasn't going to be compatible with DSL3? (I'm not sure if this is still true)
Well, The thing is that cmon... DSL3 wont be releasing in a LOOONG time. Its practically dead... Theres no news & Its being worked on for years now but there doesnt seem to be any movement.DSL3 was first announced in late 2008 with the intension of balancing everything and adding more components and AI. The last update that you guys saw was 7 months ago, but what you may not be aware of is that some of Backlash's components are being ported over to DSL (as of 2 months ago).
No offence to Click or anything, But It seems like its never gonna be finished, Or atleast not in 2012/2013. (Just guessing here, But theres almost no activity?)
So I would prefer to patch DSL2.1 up & Then we can go back to waiting for DSL3.Thats just plain silly. Click is accepting help in any way shape or form. He won't hand out the current build of DSL3 but that doesn't mean he doesn't want any help. If you don't believe me, read it for yourself...
It has been suggested that we help with DSL3 but what can the community do? Maybe Naryar & Other veterans that CAN do stuff can enter their stuff, But I remember someone saying something about Click not wanting any help? :\
You're getting good at this. I'm not going to need any HW replicas for DSL (after I make the existing replicas their proper weight classes, there will be a great overabundance of HW's) but if you ever make some LW's or MW's, I am quite confident you could get them to DSL-quality.Easy Tasks: (DSL2.5 would actually have less in this catagory)
This is why Im suggesting this, Because I pretty much would prefer if we fixed the flaws DSL2.1 had while we wait for DSL3. (Which I dont really see happening)DSL3 started out as a patch for DSL2 (with the same intentions) but evolved into into a full-blown project after Click realized how much work needed to be done.
"Patching" up DSL 2.1 would be alot easier than working on DSL3, Its simply just balancing issues & Mesh fixing, Its not CREATING anything new like DSL3.
Besides, Click doesnt want help with DSL3, So we arent wasting our time by working on this, Were making it better for ourselves while Click works on DSL3...Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it any more true. As previously mentioned, Click is accepting help but it has to be something that he hasn't already done, DSL-quality, and a necessary addition (no arenas).
If he wanted help, Sure this is a lost of time, but he doesnt, So its either stay with the faulties of DSL 2.1 or actually fix them, As a community, And bring more life into DSL.
If the Ram plates are useful people will start using them, If the axes get useful (Somehow) people will start using them, Anything that gets "fixed" will be used.This is a much larger project than you are passing it off as. Most of the collision meshes are oversimplified (for lag reasons), all the components would need to be rebalanced, and making more realistic skins requires quite a bit of time per skin (it took me roughly 30 minutes per skin in stock).
Instead of just putting ants into your bot you will have the choice of putting 4 other kinds... Instead of razors you could put axes, It gives you more options & Flexibility, Without adding components.
So yeah, basically I lost my hope in DSL3, It looks awesome as heck & Kudos to Click for working on it & Making it so awesome, But its just taking too long you know?Its a nice idea but it seems like too big of an overhaul especially when you consider that DSL3 could use the assistance instead.
Not to pressure or anything but its gonna be long since its released, It looks like its FAR AWAY from done (Or atleast were not getting the good news about its 98% Completion)
Because it looks to be so far away is why Im suggesting this...