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Robot Arena => Discussion => Topic started by: Thyrus on June 13, 2010, 05:18:44 AM
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Don`t know if someone of you has ever seen this before.
I was playing with the snapper2 and was unable to compile the component.cfz. so I went into the dsl folder and copiepasted the bsg.txt and changed everything so it was using the snapper2.gmf. I went ingame and then this happend:
Glitch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXFFYZN0UY#)
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Hahaha win
Can you post the .txt ? I don't fully get how you used the gmf.
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name = BSG-200 Small Burst Motor
dir = snapper3
type = mechanics
base = BurstMotor
model = snapper3.gmf
preview = snapper3.bmp
description = A small burst motor with optional reverse functionality. It packs a lot of power for its size, but it doesn't fire as fast as other burst motors. It takes 24.5 amps to fire.
master = motor
styles = BSG-200, bsg200r.txt, BSG-200R, tminussnapper1.txt, Mag Snapper
passthru = axle_collision
elecMaxInOutRate = -245
burst = 20 60 65
power = 10 65
firesound = sounds\burst_trigger.wav
attachsound = sounds\cmp_generic.wav
standard = 1
mass = 15
hitpoints = 6000
Sort = 11changed power and burst cause I wanted to test something
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HHHHAAAAXXXXX!!!!!!!
It's like you attached the snapper arm to the chassis.
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so now we can make replicas we couldnt make before!
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HOLD IT!
Does it actually work? Like, swing the whole chassis around when a bot is built around the glitch.
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it appears the attachment points were messed up somewhere along the line and the first point in on "the other end" of the burst movement joint
I figure it could easily be done with any burst by changing the attachment points to base.
what did you change with the GMF to get it with those attachment points ? there is more to it then a simple text change
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the bad thing about it is that if you go to the garage it is in the normal position again. but I haven`t played with it much since I just made that fail 20 minutes ago.
@Joe: I did nothing to the gmf. just .txt file editing (changing "bsg" to "snapper3" stuff)
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so you have never done anything to that GMF at any time ? its very odd to end up in that situation with the attachment points such as that ?
nice work finding it shame it cannot be exploited in any real way
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no, I did nothing to the .gmf.
yeah it`s sad since this would`ve made replicating much easier like stagfish said.
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I have twice accidently managed to do thes with Snapper II when I was axle loading it. I dont know if that is a useful glitch, because the area where you can attach is still the outlined box you see. Dont know about what happends when you go to test garage because I always scrapped the bot when that happened.
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So wait can you attach things to the moving baseplate or just in the box? And do they turn with the chassis after placed? This could change bot building forever!
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I have twice accidently managed to do thes with Snapper II when I was axle loading it. I dont know if that is a useful glitch, because the area where you can attach is still the outlined box you see. Dont know about what happends when you go to test garage because I always scrapped the bot when that happened.
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Hey, is it OK if 027 uses this snapper for JSL?
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The area where it allows baseplate mounted parts that cant go trough chassis can only be mounted inside the box area, I dont know if you can attach some things like multi extenders to the rotated away baseplate because both times this happened to me was in Stock. So you guys go test it out and stuff.
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Hey, is it OK if 027 uses this snapper for JSL?
what`s jsl?
you can do with that whatever you want but I don`t beleve it will work fine as a snapper.
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so you have never done anything to that GMF at any time ? its very odd to end up in that situation with the attachment points such as that ?
nice work finding it shame it cannot be exploited in any real way
THat's not true. I have one idea I could use this for...
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will you tell us your idea?
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I'll just build it.
Can you send me that component all ready to go? I'm too lazy to do it myself xD
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If the motor could be set to move the chassis, then you might be able to Effe glitch motor directly on to the chassis.
EDIT: Oh, you can only attach parts inside the boxed area.
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I have no idea if this will work... probably not now that I think about what Urjak said.
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/79697screenshot_174.jpg)
:D
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yeah great!
Now stock is more unrealistic than before ;D
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My original idea didn't actually work. But I figured out how to use this glitch to stack things, so take that Joeblo!
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This kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed in tournaments because it requires modification outside of the botlab, and technically the use of custom components.
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Sage, can you send me that haxord bot above? I have an Idea >:)
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so this is the first glitch using a custom component?
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I think so.
I agree that it should be disallowed from tournaments as well. (This means even more rules!)
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so what should we name this... thing?
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Sage, can you send me that haxord bot above? I have an Idea >:)
I'm sure you can figure it out, Mr. Engineer :)
EDIT: love how I turned it from "that's kinda cool" to "OMG you can't use that in tournaments that's cheating!" xD
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I don't think so if we consider negative weight components. Or is that even a glitch ?
For names... maybe chassis eFFeing because it's quite similar to the effe glitch but you turn the chassis.
O WAIT... what about chassis Thyrusing ?
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haha xD
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Russing. It sounds eFFe-like and easier to say.
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It's like the Zero Glitch or whatever it's called.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/97905screenshot_118.PNG)
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Yep, pretty much.
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I don't get it.
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oh sh** this can't be good...
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< bovine buttock biscuits :) >
I read this 3 times today... what does it mean?
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Its the word filter ACAMS put in place. It replaces another word :P
Nice glitch anyhow, could be interesting..
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It's a filter for an extreme form of "poop". You can un-filter words in your profile.
Anyway, at least we can all activate the ZeroG glitch now. :P
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Maybe this is what barbie was talking about so long ago...
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This looks cool.
And Thyrus, JSL was that mod you said that you should call the "LSD Mod" a few months ago. Remember?
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It is the Zero Glitch and as such has already been included in the rules with that name or under the category of text file editing.
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it\'s just stacking?
and yes, the zero glitch was very good. but it isn\'t STOCK. it needs additional parts from outside the game (it\'s what i called text raping, he discovered it, i just perfected it, and made it smaller) i used to use it when testing concepts, to check if they work, it\'s not so good for much else.
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NO no, the Zero glitch can be activated inside the bot lab, without external components. It's a different effect. I way I stacked those items was rotating the chassis with the snapper.
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Doesn't really matter what this is IMO. It's done with .gmf editing, therefore in the same neighborhood as BFE, AAM, et all, and therefore already illegal in most tourneys/BotM's.
Props to Thyrus for discovering this, making the video and sharing it with us. +rep 'cuz I liek :D
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no GMF editing. just textfile, ROBO :)
@ 027 LB: ah yeah.. the LSD mod, I remember. yeah you can use it I think but may you wait till we see what we can do with that?
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Does this mean it's already outlawed in BOTM?
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if my theory is correct (and I will test it) this is a component a simple exploitable thing (though Thyrus didnt do it with GMF's I think its easy to do so).. so not a traditional game glitch but one created by a component.. kinda like the anti ballast in a way
but since using a custom component or AAM (to make it happen yourself) is required its already outlawed by current rules
but its obviously going to be abused now with the part released.. simply requires it to be removed and no one will ever know...
Its not a bother for me as I myself know multiple ways to cheat at stacking, some I created myself :P (but for obvious reason dont share these with the public) but it does offer an easy easy way for everyone without this knowledge to also cheat.
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... I myself know multiple ways to cheat,.... :eek:
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2:...but for obvious reason dont share these with the public. :evilsmile:
= :ban_smily:
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now now lets not get too hypocritical :P
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now now lets not get too hypocritical :P
You're hurting my feelings (with facts...). :dead:
BOT: Really this is form of AAM. Thanks for sharing your find, Thyrus.
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BOT: Really this is form of AAM. Thanks for sharing your fail even when it was done by mistake, Thyrus.
passt scho :)
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its a great find buddy.. I just don't like that download link sitting there personally
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true. well I think all members who can work with it have got it. I`m going to delete the link.
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its probably for the best.. im sad to ask you to take away a piece of work, I really am but its like an in game BFE component
I can empathize I started making a mod for stock which I decided to abandon becasue of potential abuse..
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well it`s ok for me :)
as you may know, I love realistic bot building. I may use it to buildreplicas since there are other rules for them.
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How do I make it work?
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what do you mean? just do it as it is in the video.
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true. well I think all members who can work with it have got it. I`m going to delete the link.
.... Damnit. Can you bring it back for me?
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I still have it.
It costs a cookie though.
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Hawhaw, why pay up when you've already recieved it for free?
I tried to make a burst-powered torque reaction hammer like Stinger (Well, not counting the burst-poweredness) but got nowhere. The snapper just rupts. I'll still pursue such a thing with conventional means though :O
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what do you mean? just do it as it is in the video.
Sorry I wasn't very clear. How do I get to attach stuff and then have it all stacked.
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Hawhaw, why pay up when you've already recieved it for free?
I'm hungry.
Oh wait. We are having lunch right now, you can have it for free.
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Don`t know to be honest. I havn`t played around with that thing cause I originaly wanted to to something different. But I know that if you atach it to an anachor and then you attach a extender on it, the extender colission will face the other way.
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Sorry I wasn't very clear. How do I get to attach stuff and then have it all stacked.
I assume you wire the snapper and preform normal eFFe with the base parts
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No, you attach things to the chassis, go to the test area and back. The collision meshes should be on the bottom of the bot. Then you can stack whatever you want in the first thing.
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0.0 I must go try it!
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NO no, the Zero glitch can be activated inside the bot lab, without external components. It's a different effect. I way I stacked those items was rotating the chassis with the snapper.
I've done something in the botlab that allowed me to stack anything. I just don't know how to make it happen all the time...
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What happens when you delete the snapper attached to the chassis?
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IDK.
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nothing
could it be that the spoilers have gone?
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I found out what happens when you remove it, the collision meshes go back to normal
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Will this get a wikipage?
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I have been doing some testing and have broken it down to only a single line to make this happen...
I have my theory on why this does happen but still testing it to be true...
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/71803testingglitch.PNG)