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Robot Arena => Discussion => Topic started by: russian roulette on June 18, 2011, 06:43:37 AM

Title: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: russian roulette on June 18, 2011, 06:43:37 AM
Well it seems a heated debate has sparked in the Showcases, over multiple showcases. So here is a simple poll, Beta's, JX, JX Smalls, or BSG's. I'm leaving out Mag's for obvious reasons. And so we can stay on topic in our showcases, please keep the debate in this thread.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: G.K. on June 18, 2011, 06:44:41 AM
It depends on the situation.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: Avalanche on June 18, 2011, 06:45:00 AM
Bsgs,OR The betas.
Put poll please.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: russian roulette on June 18, 2011, 06:46:12 AM
Poll is up
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: G.K. on June 18, 2011, 06:48:36 AM
I'm abstaining.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on June 18, 2011, 06:52:05 AM
In terms of pure flipping power?
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: Pwnator on June 18, 2011, 06:54:11 AM
I'm abstaining.

Pretty much. This is gonna turn somewhat into a UK vs. US flipper debate sooner or later. :P
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: russian roulette on June 18, 2011, 06:56:03 AM
This is gonna turn somewhat into a UK vs. US flipper debate sooner or later. :P
There is a reason why this is in the DSL section and only having to do with the motor itself.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: ty4er on June 18, 2011, 06:58:02 AM
I'd actually say BSG's.

It might just be me but it seems easier to remember the correct power needed :P
Plus you can have loads more bsg's to beta's and that would be more power.
Although it really does depend.
BSG's are for all-round sorta use.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: russian roulette on June 18, 2011, 06:58:43 AM
In terms of pure flipping power?
No, the question asks "What Motor do you prefer?"
In lame man's terms... when you make a heavyweight flipper what is the first snapper you attach to the baseplate or you actually use in the final workings of your robot.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on June 18, 2011, 07:00:58 AM
It used to be Large JX, but now BSGs.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: Pwnator on June 18, 2011, 07:03:32 AM
what is the first snapper you attach to the baseplate or you actually use in the final workings of your robot.

Still situational. I usually tend to affix my design against a certain bot type. I would use BSGs against flails and DP-heavy VSes and a Beta or two against the rest.


JXes are just bitchy to work with due to their annoying meshes. >.<
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: NFX on June 18, 2011, 07:15:58 AM
I haven't built a HW flipper in ages. Initially, I'd probably go for the Beta Burst, but I might actually go for BSG's. They're smaller, lighter, and easier to place than the Beta Burst, so you could have a few more versatile designs with them.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: Scorpion on June 18, 2011, 09:31:33 AM
BSGs.
The equivalent flipping power in bsg's to one Beta is about the same weight (when you account for batteries and chassis space), although that's not taking into account snapper setups of course.
Besides, I find them easier to work with than Beta's, and I thinnk they allow for more unique designs than Beta flippers.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: freeziez on June 18, 2011, 09:51:31 AM
I use Large JX's because I don't know anything. :P
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: Jack Daniels on June 18, 2011, 10:15:38 AM
I'll wait for 123stw to chime in with his factual information about the motors.

Y'know, bars, graphs, powerpoint presentation and all that jazz.  Then I can decide.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on June 18, 2011, 10:18:10 AM
On paper Beta is better. But in my own experience 4 BSGs > 2 Large JXs > 1 Beta (Or double those figures)
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: madman3 on June 18, 2011, 10:38:01 AM
BSGs can be arranged in a way that allows for the flipping power to centered on one point for more flipping power than standard angled flippers.
But BSGs simply because they are more diverse and more usable.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: 123savethewhales on June 18, 2011, 09:41:21 PM
BSG.  Really I care a lot less about the actual flip power then the simple fact that BSG has 8000 health and can be mounted externally, which means I am much less likely to die cuz my chassis got hit.  Gigantic chassis with no shape advantage just isn't my thing.

I'll wait for 123stw to chime in with his factual information about the motors.

Y'know, bars, graphs, powerpoint presentation and all that jazz.  Then I can decide.

Nope you won't get that.
Title: Re: Beta or BSG flippers (Heavyweight)
Post by: SteveM4 on June 19, 2011, 01:09:54 AM
Oh hai!

Ahem...

BSG if you are making a front hinged flipper/lacking space, you about four.


JXs are good if you want speed in your weapon, like a popup.


Betas for throwing s*** over the fence!