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Robot Arena => Discussion => Topic started by: Badnik96 on August 11, 2011, 01:54:52 AM

Title: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Badnik96 on August 11, 2011, 01:54:52 AM: So I was bored and was looking thru the beetlebros site. I reread the Component Stats page and apparently Pointy Tips and 30cm Pole Spikes are the most effecient weapons.
Why? Same stats as razors, but 1kg heavier. Also TWICE THE HP. On bots like rammers, where normals aren't important, this could be critical for weapon life.
Also, they're better than Irons in that department too. Same HP, more DP for 2kg less. The best rammer weapons are pointy tips, plain and simple.

Also, Ice Picks (single-sided) have the same stats as irons for 1kg less. And because the attachment points on ice picks allow you to mount them sideways, you can use them for spinners. Less weapon weight equals more weight for defense. :D Maces are still technically better, but if you want offense and defense, ice picks are the way to go.

Tomorrow I will prove this. As I am posting from my DSI, I have no RA2 access and these are only (well-calculated) theories.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: 090901 on August 11, 2011, 01:57:50 AM: ice picks have normals though
also aren't single sided ice picks 2 kgs less then irons?
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 11, 2011, 02:01:50 AM: Yeah. Single side Ice picks are 8kg.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Badnik96 on August 11, 2011, 02:03:46 AM: @090901
yes, but the way the picks AP is set up it allows the point to hit the opponent's chassis. (I think a bot in Inf AI uses this setup actually)

2kg less makes it even beter :P
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: 090901 on August 11, 2011, 02:41:30 AM: Quote from: Badnik96 on August 11, 2011, 02:03:46 AM
@090901
yes, but the way the picks AP is set up it allows the point to hit the opponent's chassis. (I think a bot in Inf AI uses this setup actually)
2 bots IIRC
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: 123savethewhales on August 11, 2011, 04:06:05 AM: Single Point Normal = Bad.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Pwnator on August 11, 2011, 04:24:55 AM: Quote from: 123savethewhales on August 11, 2011, 04:06:05 AM
Single Point Normal = Bad.

Pretty much. You'll see that a mace rammer pwns a 36HS much easier than an ice-pick rammer.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: JoeBlo on August 11, 2011, 04:30:52 AM: Your making it sound like you discovered / did all the work for what you are saying.. yet its been on the Beetlebros site longer then you have played RA2..

Hardly a Major discovery at this point in time..

Loads of people know they have a higher Efficiency value but normals do suck.. it would surprise you the difference normals make even in front on situations..

Besides everyone knows Maces are the coolest (take that razor fanboys)
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Scorpion on August 11, 2011, 04:36:44 AM: Razorz > Irons > Maces
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Ben Purse on August 11, 2011, 05:00:14 AM: Quote from: Scorpion on August 11, 2011, 04:36:44 AM
Razorz > Irons > Maces
Depends on use.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Scorpion on August 11, 2011, 05:02:53 AM: Quote from: Ben Purse on August 11, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Quote from: Scorpion on August 11, 2011, 04:36:44 AM
Razorz > Irons > Maces
Depends on use.
Well derp, I'm stating my opinion on which is coolest.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: 090901 on August 11, 2011, 05:16:58 AM: Maces > Razors > Irons
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: JoeBlo on August 11, 2011, 06:44:44 AM: *walks over too 090901*

Im hanging with this guy now..
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: NFX on August 11, 2011, 07:04:44 AM: That thought had crossed my mind, about the Pointy Tip stuff, but the normals are a huge setback for them, so they really don't do as well as you'd expect. Also, in my view, Maces > Razors > Irons.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Scorpion on August 11, 2011, 07:16:54 AM: I think maces look messy, especially when they're spammed together...

Anyway, I was thinking about making a 36HS with single sided ice picks, do the normals on them cover the whole of the axe part?
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Fracture on August 11, 2011, 07:20:02 AM: Ooh, is this a guessing game I LOVE guessing games! /blatantly stealing MNB's role

Quote from: Scorpion on August 11, 2011, 04:36:44 AM
Razorz > Irons > Maces
Popups

Quote from: 090901 on August 11, 2011, 05:16:58 AM
Maces > Razors > Irons
HS and Rammers? (axes would be in there for rammers but they're excluded from the "Big 3" so it's okay)
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Pwnator on August 11, 2011, 07:21:31 AM: Quote from: Fracture on August 11, 2011, 07:20:02 AM
Ooh, is this a guessing game I LOVE guessing games! /blatantly stealing MNB's role

Quote from: Scorpion on August 11, 2011, 04:36:44 AM
Razorz > Irons > Maces
Popups

Quote from: 090901 on August 11, 2011, 05:16:58 AM
Maces > Razors > Irons
HS and Rammers? (axes would be in there for rammers but they're excluded from the "Big 3" so it's okay)

Yeah, you've pretty much guessed their favorite types. :P
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Stagfish on August 11, 2011, 07:26:12 AM: It would be pretty easy to make a no-normals mod.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Skiitzzox220 on August 11, 2011, 07:26:54 AM: MRI now officially stands for Maces > Razors > Irons.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Mr. AS on August 11, 2011, 08:29:31 AM: Irons>Razors>Maces
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 11, 2011, 08:41:10 AM: Iron Fists > Irons > Razors

:trollface
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: 090901 on August 11, 2011, 08:47:13 AM: Quote from: Jonzu95 on August 11, 2011, 08:41:10 AM
Iron Fists > Irons > Razors

:trollface
oh ok.
i guess you can like iron fists
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: JoeBlo on August 11, 2011, 08:47:59 AM: Quote from: Stagfish on August 11, 2011, 07:26:12 AM
It would be pretty easy to make a no-normals mod.

That would achieve nothing

30cm pole spikes would replace razors due to 1kg doubling the HP
Single Icepicks would replace Maces and Irons as it has a higher DP at less HP..

So that basically make robots more the same...
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: That Robot is a Spy! on August 11, 2011, 08:56:46 AM: I should make a pole spike popup.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Mr. AS on August 11, 2011, 09:06:48 AM: Quote from: Jonzu95 on August 11, 2011, 08:41:10 AM
Iron Fists > Irons > Razors

:trollface
No, sawblades>slegehammers>hammer-heads.
:trollface
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: JoeBlo on August 11, 2011, 09:09:58 AM: please stay on topic.. this isnt "what is your favorite weapon"
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: 090901 on August 11, 2011, 09:15:50 AM: Quote from: That Robot is a Spy! on August 11, 2011, 08:56:46 AM
I should make a pole spike popup.
would fail because they have normals.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Scrap Daddy on August 11, 2011, 09:59:54 AM: lol how is this a major discovery? everyone knows this.

and good luck making a rammer with nothing but pointy tips unless the extenders are on snappers
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Jonzu95 on August 11, 2011, 10:03:27 AM: Actually I didn't know Pointies are twice Strong than Irons...
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: 090901 on August 11, 2011, 10:09:37 AM: Quote from: Jonzu95 on August 11, 2011, 10:03:27 AM
Actually I didn't know Pointies are twice Strong than Irons...
no, they have the same.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Naryar on August 11, 2011, 10:16:12 AM: Nothing like a major discovery.

And yeah single normal'd weapons do suck, unless in very specific cases.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: J on August 11, 2011, 10:18:04 AM: Judging by all the previous posts, I'm surprised nobody posted an "OLD NEWS IS SO EXCITING!" image.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Mr. AS on August 11, 2011, 10:20:19 AM: Quote from: J on August 11, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
Judging by all the previous posts, I'm surprised nobody posted an "OLD NEWS IS SO EXCITING!" image.
(http://images.wikia.com/evchk/images/c/ce/WOW!.jpg)
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Scorpion on August 11, 2011, 10:22:17 AM: Maybe a piston popup with pointy tips would work well?
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: J on August 11, 2011, 10:27:47 AM: Quote from: Mr. AwesumSauce on August 11, 2011, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: J on August 11, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
Judging by all the previous posts, I'm surprised nobody posted an "OLD NEWS IS SO EXCITING!" image.
(http://images.wikia.com/evchk/images/c/ce/WOW!.jpg)
...Except its a little too late for that now.
Title: Re: *MAJOR DISCOVERY*
Post by: Sage on August 11, 2011, 12:07:46 PM: Woah no one knew this before. Like honestly this is the most major discovery ever. Oh wait... normals SUCK.

You really thought no has looked at the efficiency ratings before?