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Robot Arena Matches => Contests => Topic started by: Trovaner on December 02, 2014, 07:10:46 PM

Title: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Trovaner on December 02, 2014, 07:10:46 PM
Alright, you guys voted for a DSL HW BOTM...

Here's how this works. Every participant creates a bot that follows the given bot restrictions for that month. They then create a simple splash for their bot and uploaded it to GTM's BOTM Uploader before the deadline expires. After the deadline expires, a poll will be created for the community to vote on their favorite entry. At the end of the month, the splash with the most votes will be put on GTM's homepage for a month.

Bot Restrictions
Splash Rules
Please upload your entries using the BOTM Uploader.

Questions/comments?

Edit: I'm postponing the voting until tomorrow.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: rnifnuf on December 02, 2014, 09:54:35 PM
The due date is January 26, 2014? So the entry was due eleven months ago? With all due respect, Trov, don't you mean December 26, 2014? Why am I typing questions? Why can't I stop? HELP ME?
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Natster-104 on December 03, 2014, 01:55:54 AM
Don't know why, but it's weird thinking about January 2015 at the beginning of December 2014

Standard realism, nah don't do it tbh
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Jonzu95 on December 03, 2014, 02:02:04 AM
I'm pretty sure Trov just made a mistake. ^^
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: playzooki on December 03, 2014, 02:03:24 AM
Entering
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Trovaner on December 03, 2014, 07:33:14 AM
I'm pretty sure Trov just made a mistake. ^^
That he did. I think its fixed now, though.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: RedAce on December 03, 2014, 07:47:12 AM
Definitely entering. I have something good this time.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: 090901 on December 03, 2014, 07:56:05 AM
Don't know why, but it's weird thinking about January 2015 at the beginning of December 2014

Standard realism, nah don't do it tbh
dude... you can still enter an irl bot....they still fit in the guidelines.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Naryar on December 03, 2014, 08:06:38 AM
don't enter irl bots into standard dsl stuff, please.

Why ? Because everyone complains of a bot being too DSL-S when entered into IRL contests, and yet no one gives a sh** if someone enters an IRL bot in a DSL-S contest.

Also I will probably enter.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: playzooki on December 03, 2014, 10:32:08 AM
don't enter irl bots into standard dsl stuff, please.

Why ? Because everyone complains of a bot being too DSL-S when entered into IRL contests, and yet no one gives a sh** if someone enters an IRL bot in a DSL-S contest.

Also I will probably enter.
Brb making irl dsl hw
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on December 03, 2014, 12:51:30 PM
I don't see what's wrong with entering an IRL bot in BoTM. As far as tournaments go, I agree with Naryar.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Mecha on December 03, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
hold on brb when there's a stock botm......so good bye forever
Seriously though, I'm glad BOTM came back anyway.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Trovaner on December 03, 2014, 08:22:06 PM
I, personally, don't mind when people enter IRL into standard BOTMs. Considering that its a voting contest, its going to come down to what most people like best anyways. IRL contests tend to get kind of messy with differing definitions depending on context so I doubt that I'll ever explicitly say that a BOTM is IRL. I'd rather keep it open to as many building styles as possible so that we get more entries and less complaints.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Naryar on December 04, 2014, 06:44:20 AM
Let's rephrase that argument then.

If people can enter IRL bots into DSL-S voting contests, then there's no reason you and I can't enter DSL-S bots into IRL voting contests as well. And i'm pretty sure people will be unhappy if this happens.

I am totally OK with contests that allow both IRL bots and Standard bots (considering it is voting instead of battling), but then it shouldn't be marked as a DSL standard contest, but as a "any building style allowed" contest.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Thrackerzod on December 04, 2014, 08:04:02 AM
I think the issue would be that, technically, an IRL bot fits all of the requirements for Standard, but a Standard bot might not fit all of the requirements for IRL.  It seems like IRL is more specific.  Saying "any style" would also allow for stock-styled robots, where stuff just passes through other stuff all willy-nilly.  That said, I don't build IRL much, and when I try to, it isn't, so I could be completely wrong.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Meganerdbomb on December 04, 2014, 09:22:29 AM
Let's rephrase that argument then.

If people can enter IRL bots into DSL-S voting contests, then there's no reason you and I can't enter DSL-S bots into IRL voting contests as well. And i'm pretty sure people will be unhappy if this happens.

I am totally OK with contests that allow both IRL bots and Standard bots (considering it is voting instead of battling), but then it shouldn't be marked as a DSL standard contest, but as a "any building style allowed" contest.
That is a BS argument because IRL has stricter guidelines than standard. An IRL bot still obeys all dsl standard regulations for overlapping parts,  etc,  but with the addition of guidelines about weapons and such to make the bot more like what you could conceivably see in real life.  Thus,  an irl bot is  still dsl-s because it follows the no stacking and no physics breaking guidelines,  but a dsl-s bot is not irl if it does not follow the irl guidelines regarding  efficiency.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on December 04, 2014, 10:34:51 AM
I don't think there has ever been a strictly IRL BoTM anyway.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Thrackerzod on December 04, 2014, 01:55:59 PM
That is a BS argument because IRL has stricter guidelines than standard. An IRL bot still obeys all dsl standard regulations for overlapping parts,  etc,  but with the addition of guidelines about weapons and such to make the bot more like what you could conceivably see in real life.  Thus,  an irl bot is  still dsl-s because it follows the no stacking and no physics breaking guidelines,  but a dsl-s bot is not irl if it does not follow the irl guidelines regarding  efficiency.

Hey, so I did get it right.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: cephalopod on December 04, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
Although I agree with allowing IRL bots into Standard contests (not tournaments) like this... a lot of IRL bots do break Standard rules, eg cheatbot2 use, bfe use, and I know I've gotten away with a few things not truly realistic because it's hidden inside chassis.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Merrick on December 04, 2014, 06:48:51 PM
Let's rephrase that argument then.

If people can enter IRL bots into DSL-S voting contests, then there's no reason you and I can't enter DSL-S bots into IRL voting contests as well.

Yes, there is. DSL-S robots would be breaking IRL building rules, but nothing about IRL robots breaks DSL-S building rules.

I don't think there has ever been a strictly IRL BoTM anyway.

There was a Replica BoTM just before it went on haitus.

By nature, that had to be IRL.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: RedAce on December 04, 2014, 07:01:17 PM
I probably shouldn't say anything, but I'd be okay with IRL into a DSL BOTM unless it's aimed strictly for DSL-S bots. Take a look at the Ironforge BOTM we had a month back. It was Ironforge Standard and there were some bots I could classify as IRL, but no one really cared. It's only an issue in DSL-S tournaments because the IRL bots don't fit and can be classified as"Bye-bots." The same can be said about IRL tournaments, but the only difference it that the DSL-S bot in an IRL tourney would considered "unfair."


I think I've pissed some people off now, so I probably should stop typing now.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on December 04, 2014, 07:04:34 PM
I probably shouldn't say anything, but I'd be okay with IRL into a DSL BOTM unless it's aimed strictly for DSL-S bots. Take a look at the Ironforge BOTM we had a month back. It was Ironforge Standard and there were some bots I could classify as IRL, but no one really cared. It's only an issue in DSL-S tournaments because the IRL bots don't fit and can be classified as"Bye-bots." The same can be said about IRL tournaments, but the only difference it that the DSL-S bot in an IRL tourney would considered "unfair."

Hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: martymidget on December 05, 2014, 03:59:17 AM
90% of IRL bots I've made break the standard rules in some way, yet still class as IRL.

Doesn't really matter in a voting contest unless you spend hours checking every possible nook and cranny of the splash.
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: cephalopod on December 05, 2014, 04:02:34 AM
Agreed with both RedAce and Marty :P
Title: Re: BOTM Jan 2015
Post by: Trovaner on December 21, 2014, 03:06:59 PM
For anyone who is still holding out, there is less than a week left before the poll starts.