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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #220 on: December 03, 2010, 02:48:54 PM »
Well for all you guys know an all-powerful deity could be on this earth right now.

Maybe even on this forum *brushes hair out of eyes in dramatic fashion*

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #221 on: December 03, 2010, 02:50:47 PM »
Well for all you guys know an all-powerful deity could be on this earth right now.

Maybe even on this forum *brushes hair out of eyes in dramatic fashion*

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Fair enough, although Nar, I hope you do realise that RA2 =/= the universe;P

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #222 on: December 03, 2010, 02:52:16 PM »
What?!?
Who is this jeff fellow?

Jesus. S'what I call him. Partly to make him more modernish, partly because I don't care that much for religion and such, and partly to make some sort of satire about it. Not meaning to cause offense at all.
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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #223 on: December 03, 2010, 03:03:53 PM »
Oh, that's alright then.

Seriously though, if there was a god, he'd be evil, not good or self-less.

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #224 on: December 03, 2010, 06:11:28 PM »
It's monkeys and typewriters, basically. Eventually they'll write Shakespeare through random chance. And eventually abiogenesis will bring about a replicating combination of amino acids through random chance. There's more chance of abiogenesis than some kind of all-powerful deity, in my view.
It is just like the philosophical random generator that spits out nothing but 3.  No matter how many 3 it spits out you can never disprove that it's not a random generator.

Have you guy ever consider that both of them can be wrong?  That in 20 years we probably move to another popular theory?

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #225 on: December 03, 2010, 06:19:23 PM »
It's monkeys and typewriters, basically. Eventually they'll write Shakespeare through random chance. And eventually abiogenesis will bring about a replicating combination of amino acids through random chance. There's more chance of abiogenesis than some kind of all-powerful deity, in my view.
It is just like the philosophical random generator that spits out nothing but 3.  No matter how many 3 it spits out you can never disprove that it's not a random generator.

Have you guy ever consider that both of them can be wrong?  That in 20 years we probably move to another popular theory?
Like that i'm in a simulator and everybody else are just AI who think they are alive but aren't and i've already programmed in the future to fit my fancies?

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #226 on: December 03, 2010, 06:26:51 PM »
Well for all you guys know an all-powerful deity could be on this earth right now.

Maybe even on this forum *brushes hair out of eyes in dramatic fashion*

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Fair enough, although Nar, I hope you do realise that RA2 =/= the universe;P

Yes, I realise. I am not stupid.

You said "maybe even on this forum". If there is an all-powerful god on this forum, the closest thing is Click.
It's monkeys and typewriters, basically. Eventually they'll write Shakespeare through random chance. And eventually abiogenesis will bring about a replicating combination of amino acids through random chance. There's more chance of abiogenesis than some kind of all-powerful deity, in my view.
It is just like the philosophical random generator that spits out nothing but 3.  No matter how many 3 it spits out you can never disprove that it's not a random generator.

Have you guy ever consider that both of them can be wrong?  That in 20 years we probably move to another popular theory?
Personally I don't believe in both abiogenesis and intelligent design.

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #227 on: December 03, 2010, 06:28:26 PM »
Like that i'm in a simulator and everybody else are just AI who think they are alive but aren't and i've already programmed in the future to fit my fancies?
At least solipsism is consistent with all possible observations.

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #228 on: December 03, 2010, 06:33:52 PM »
It's monkeys and typewriters, basically. Eventually they'll write Shakespeare through random chance. And eventually abiogenesis will bring about a replicating combination of amino acids through random chance. There's more chance of abiogenesis than some kind of all-powerful deity, in my view.
It is just like the philosophical random generator that spits out nothing but 3.  No matter how many 3 it spits out you can never disprove that it's not a random generator.

Have you guy ever consider that both of them can be wrong?  That in 20 years we probably move to another popular theory?

Yes, I did.  As a matter of fact, it's almost certain that the theory of abiogensis will be at least changed if it isn't discarded.  The reason I choose abiogenesis over 'god makes creatures' is that abiogensis makes a lot more sense.

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #229 on: December 03, 2010, 06:37:10 PM »
I am in agreement with Noodle here. Random chance seems a much more logical and reasonable explanation than "God made it happen". That's never provable.
 
It's monkeys and typewriters, basically. Eventually they'll write Shakespeare through random chance. And eventually abiogenesis will bring about a replicating combination of amino acids through random chance. There's more chance of abiogenesis than some kind of all-powerful deity, in my view.
It is just like the philosophical random generator that spits out nothing but 3.  No matter how many 3 it spits out you can never disprove that it's not a random generator.

Have you guy ever consider that both of them can be wrong?  That in 20 years we probably move to another popular theory?

You can't actually disprove anything of being false. You can only supply proof to validate a claim that something is true. I'm pretty sure that this was discussed earlier in the thread.
 
And as long as science and technology both continue advancing at the rate they are now, then our explanations of the universe will undoubtedly become more and more accurate, maybe some new theories will arise, maybe some will be proven wrong, but we're never really going to figure out how the universe started, and why it exsts. We can continue going further back in time towards the beginning of the universe, but we're never going to get to the very very beginning.
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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #230 on: December 03, 2010, 11:02:10 PM »
I love how you guys are totally trashing abiogenesis as if it was just some crackpot theory that will soon be replaced. Through experimentation, we are getting closer and closer to being able to recreate a plausible chain of events to the rise of life.

Of course, it will be impossible to prove that it actually happened that way. That is one of the cool things about the origin of life. There are many possibilities, and each can be freely studied without depending on one another.
Any comments would be appreciated. :D

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #231 on: December 14, 2010, 11:46:04 PM »
im just waiting for meganerdbomb to come along and kick things into gear.

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #232 on: December 15, 2010, 09:19:47 AM »
That was the largest pile of made-up, fact-bent, irrelevant sh** I have ever read.

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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #233 on: December 15, 2010, 09:43:31 AM »
I'm sorry but that page was a load of rubbish.
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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #234 on: December 15, 2010, 09:47:42 AM »
Twas Funny Though
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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #235 on: December 15, 2010, 10:08:47 AM »
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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #236 on: December 15, 2010, 03:49:38 PM »
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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #237 on: December 15, 2010, 03:56:17 PM »
That was the largest pile of made-up, fact-bent, irrelevant sh** I have ever read.
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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #238 on: December 15, 2010, 04:11:38 PM »
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Re: religious debate thread
« Reply #239 on: December 16, 2010, 06:34:06 AM »