religious debate thread

[Enigm@]

I only believe in the Chaos Theory.

[Meganerdbomb]

Oh, and on that note that MNB made about a giant explosion happening randomly and 'life start[ing] somehow'...WTF?!?!:

-Big Bang - A singularity in multiple dimensions, which contains the entire weight of the universe, suddenly expands in terms of our '4 dimensions'. That single point is the 'center of the universe', and must be a gravitational center to the universe, as otherwise the expansion of the universe wouldn't be slowing down. I wouldn't exactly call this a radical theory.

-'Life started somehow' - There are plenty of theories based around plenty of evidence. I don't see that this is a problem. It could have been due to a reaction of chemicals in the depths of the ocean (perhaps around geothermal 'hotpoints' where we can now see that see life thrives), which caused the chemical bases for dna to form, and thus for life to occur.

In other words, a random explosion and life started somehow.

[123savethewhales]

I only believe in the Chaos Theory.

You sure you understand that thing?  Maybe you can tell us what the happens at the accumulation point.

[Urjak]

In other words ... life started somehow.

Not just somehow. We have narrowed down the likely conditions of the start of life.

[Meganerdbomb]

In other words ... life started somehow.

Not just somehow. We have narrowed down the likely conditions of the start of life.

We? Are you a biologist?

[Urjak]

We? Are you a biologist?

Stop arguing semantics. I often use" we" to mean then humans race or scientific community, or whatever group of people the context fits. I don't intend to include myself in that category necessarily, though I often use it when I agree with that groups stance. Don't know if it is the correct usage...

[Scrap Daddy]

if you say jesus backwards it sounds like sausage

[Noodle]

In other words ... life started somehow.

Not just somehow. We have narrowed down the likely conditions of the start of life.

We? Are you a biologist?

I don't see you holding any scientific degrees.  If what you're saying refutes his statement, then by nature everything you've said over the course of this entire thread in regards to science can't be taken seriously either.

[Meganerdbomb]

In other words ... life started somehow.

Not just somehow. We have narrowed down the likely conditions of the start of life.

We? Are you a biologist?

I don't see you holding any scientific degrees.  If what you're saying refutes his statement, then by nature everything you've said over the course of this entire thread in regards to science can't be taken seriously either.

Did I say I was refuting his statement? I was simply venting on one of my pet peeves of English usage.
His statement does not require refuting.

[madman3]

I believe in Saxon-ism.

[Noodle]

In other words ... life started somehow.

Not just somehow. We have narrowed down the likely conditions of the start of life.

We? Are you a biologist?

I don't see you holding any scientific degrees.  If what you're saying refutes his statement, then by nature everything you've said over the course of this entire thread in regards to science can't be taken seriously either.

Did I say I was refuting his statement? I was simply venting on one of my pet peeves of English usage.
His statement does not require refuting.

Well that petty nit-picking was pretty pointless.

[madman3]

It seems likely that life was created by random chance to be honest. It makes more sense than having a God/Deity.
Back when the asteroid hit infant Earth, it seems by random chance that life forms were made, maybe during the collision the moisture and the various debris were colliding.

[Noodle]

It seems likely that life was created by random chance to be honest. It makes more sense than having a God/Deity.
Back when the asteroid hit infant Earth, it seems by random chance that life forms were made, maybe during the collision the moisture and the various debris were colliding.

Early life came about from a chemical mixture.  A lot of the elements and such in this chemical mixture were brought to Earth by an asteroid/asteroids.

[Incredirobotwars]

Early life came about from a chemical mixture.  A lot of the elements and such in this chemical mixture were brought to Earth by an asteroid/asteroids.

Well said!

Oh, and I'm a firm believer in Quantum Theory, if anybody wants to know. That's why I don't believe in...this argument! :D...but I am definitely on the side of the atheists.

[Noodle]

I haven't studied the original original of life for some time, so I don't remember all the details so well. 

The point still stands - life didn't come about because some deity came about and said "ORGANISMS GET!"

[Naryar]

We do not know anything about the creation of life. The automatic assembly of all the elements that constitued the first living cell on Earth (even a prototype bacteria) makes even less sense than an intelligent entity making it.

But as I never saw that intelligent entity, I will not believe in any of the life creation theories. We don't have any real elements to prove it happened like that.

[NFX]

It wasn't an automatic assembly, really. The oceans of the young earth were rich in amino acids that were floating about and bumping into each other, and by pure chance a combination of amino acids was made that was capable of reproducing itself. Some other combinations capable of reproduction were made, and this would have brought on natural selection, favouring those combinations that were more efficient at reproduction.

There was also a group of organisms, I can't remember what they're called, which are now seen off the coast of Australia somewhere, IIRC, which use carbon dioxide as their energy source, and they produce oxygen, which is widely believed to be what fuelled the sudden explosion of life that began on Earth.

[Naryar]

It wasn't an automatic assembly, really. The oceans of the young earth were rich in amino acids that were floating about and bumping into each other, and by pure chance a combination of amino acids was made that was capable of reproducing itself. Some other combinations capable of reproduction were made, and this would have brought on natural selection, favouring those combinations that were more efficient at reproduction.

I had lessons on that last year.

That looks just so random...

There was also a group of organisms, I can't remember what they're called, which are now seen off the coast of Australia somewhere, IIRC, which use carbon dioxide as their energy source, and they produce oxygen, which is widely believed to be what fuelled the sudden explosion of life that began on Earth.

Cyanobacteria ? Unsure that these were the first organisms on Earth.

[Meganerdbomb]

I haven't studied the original original of life for some time, so I don't remember all the details so well. 

The point still stands - life didn't come about because some deity came about and said "ORGANISMS GET!"

More like, life didn't start because a bunch of random chemicals sprang to life of their own accord. Do you know the mathematical odds of a chain of amino acids randomly combining to form DNA? Well, I'll tell you. They're 1 over 10 to the 67th, or practically zero.

[Scorpion]

I haven't studied the original original of life for some time, so I don't remember all the details so well. 

The point still stands - life didn't come about because some deity came about and said "ORGANISMS GET!"

More like, life didn't start because a bunch of random chemicals sprang to life of their own accord. Do you know the mathematical odds of a chain of amino acids randomly combining to form DNA? Well, I'll tell you. They're 1 over 10 to the 67th, or practically zero.

Perhaps, but it's not like it happened instantly did it?