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Off-Topic => Chatterbox => Topic started by: ACAMS on July 26, 2010, 09:02:10 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/26/world-run-internet-addresses-year-experts-predict/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/26/world-run-internet-addresses-year-experts-predict/?test=latestnews)
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Awsome. Then everyone can Get a life and Write code by hand for punchcard calculators. Maybe.
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Ok, I am now going to kill myself.
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Or get a life. Or code by hand (something I can do)
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What are you going to code? ....... goofus
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Sparkey, shut the **** up and get the **** out.
IPv4 address pool expiry predictions have been there for a couple of years now. That's why we have IPv6. Now stop panicking about that and start worrying about the year 2038 problem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem). The origin is the same, 32-bit integers, but the 2038 problem is going to be a huge pain in the arse.
Also, Fox News is an awful source. http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html (http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html)
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There are machines specifically designed to read hand code. Old yet entertaining technology.
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I will code my own IP by hand (as soon as Sparkbutt teaches me) 000.000.000.000
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There are machines specifically designed to read hand code. Old yet entertaining technology.
Jesus **** Sparkey, we all know about the TR-0, PDP-1 or the giant IBM mainframes that read MACHINE CODE (and not your dumb pseudocode imaginationland code) from punchcards, operated on 4 opcodes and a couple of registers. You're not cool. You're not intelligent. Now shut your mouth kiddo and get out of here before I get angry.
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:( So I can't have 000.000.000.000 :realmad(
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You can have 1.1.1.1.
(actually, these IP addresses were allocated recently, 1.2.3.4, too. They are frequently used in example configuration files. When they were first used, they got a TON of bandwidth from badly configured machines.)
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There are machines specifically designed to read hand code. Old yet entertaining technology.
Jesus **** Sparkey, we all know about the TR-0, PDP-1 or the giant IBM mainframes that read MACHINE CODE (and not your dumb pseudocode imaginationland code) from punchcards, operated on 4 opcodes and a couple of registers. You're not cool. You're not intelligent. Now shut your mouth kiddo and get out of here before I get angry.
Wow really. I'm smart, and you know it. Even if I'm computer iliterate that dosn't mean I'm not smart. Straight A students are not stupid, now you shut your sad lifeless mouth. I think I know about IBMs Mainframes and Punchcard code readers, and I don't know who the hell dosn't. I've designed punchcard machiens that work and you're the one who needs to shut up. Stop trolling and get a life.
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@sparky:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0#ws)
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There are machines specifically designed to read hand code. Old yet entertaining technology.
Jesus **** Sparkey, we all know about the TR-0, PDP-1 or the giant IBM mainframes that read MACHINE CODE (and not your dumb pseudocode imaginationland code) from punchcards, operated on 4 opcodes and a couple of registers. You're not cool. You're not intelligent. Now shut your mouth kiddo and get out of here before I get angry.
Wow really. I'm smart, and you know it. Even if I'm computer iliterate that dosn't mean I'm not smart. Straight A students are not stupid, now you shut your sad lifeless mouth. I think I know about IBMs Mainframes and Punchcard code readers, and I don't know who the hell dosn't. I've designed punchcard machiens that work and you're the one who needs to shut up. Stop trolling and get a life.
I am sorry for having no life, Sparkey. I bow to you, since you're apparently able to tell whether somebody has "a life", over the interwebz. Will you teach me your ways, oh Master?
Oh, you designed "punchcard machiens"? How do they work? Are they Turing-complete? What kind of memory they have? What are they based on? Logic gates? Strings?
Oh, and FYI: grades aren't a measure of intelligence. There's no measure of intelligence. All grades show is your ability to memorize information.
ninja edit: having an argument isn't "trolling". kthx.
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Cool Story Bro.
I'm tired of taking **** from serge and all the staff putting up with it.
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Sparkey, don't start a fight with Serge. It's not smart.
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Cool Story Bro.
I'm tired of taking **** from serge and all the staff putting up with it.
You keep taking crap because you ask for it. And "Cool Story Bro" makes no sense in this thread. Well, actually it does, I usually get it from kids like you when they realize they're wrong / run out of arguments (that and "u mad? lolololo why so mad?").
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Meh.
If anyone wants me to type out a descrition of a working Punchcard calculator just to prove it I will.
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Meh.
If anyone wants me to type out a descrition of a working Punchcard calculator just to prove it I will.
Does it use strings? How much bits does it have (protip: each bit is two XOR gates, two AND gates and one OR gate, and that's only for adding)?
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Meh.
If anyone wants me to type out a descrition of a working Punchcard calculator just to prove it I will.
Does it use strings? How much bits does it have (protip: each bit is two XOR gates, two AND gates and one OR gate, and that's only for adding)?
Ow, my head. I'd much rather use a PLC than have to deal with gates and gates.
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here is a decription:
the thing will function on Ten lines that all go up to ten. You will take a punch card designed to run with it, and use a whole puncher to punch holes counting as numbers, shown below:
1111111110
1011111111
1011111111
0111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1 stands for paper, 0 stands for a hole. there will be a set of feeler Bars running through the card reader, that sit in place while the card moves along. Whenever one of the sensors on the feelers notice that
They've gone through a hole, it triggers a reaction to spin a servo that spins a number wheel, similar to that on a lock, that goes up to nine. there are ten of theese wheels, and as the card goes throught, each time
it feels a hole, the wheel adjecent to it spins up one number untill the card falls out the back, leaving you with a 10 diget number.
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Meh.
If anyone wants me to type out a descrition of a working Punchcard calculator just to prove it I will.
Does it use strings? How much bits does it have (protip: each bit is two XOR gates, two AND gates and one OR gate, and that's only for adding)?
Ow, my head. I'd much rather use a PLC than have to deal with gates and gates.
Aren't PLC's glorified computers with multiplexed IO and higher temperature range? :P
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Meh.
If anyone wants me to type out a descrition of a working Punchcard calculator just to prove it I will.
Does it use strings? How much bits does it have (protip: each bit is two XOR gates, two AND gates and one OR gate, and that's only for adding)?
Ow, my head. I'd much rather use a PLC than have to deal with gates and gates.
Aren't PLC's glorified computers with multiplexed IO and higher temperature range? :P
Yes, yes they are. That's what makes them so much easier to use. Well, that and a good instructor with a good program also helps as well.
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Wow really. I'm smart, and you know it. Even if I'm computer iliterate that dosn't mean I'm not smart. Straight A students are not stupid, now you shut your sad lifeless mouth.
TURN IN THAT ESSAY I ASSIGNED YOU! By this point, you're what, 2 months late? You agreed to it, and so far you're not living up to your word.
Oh, and if you're computer illiterate, WHY ARE YOU BRAGGING ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT COMPUTERS? Stop trying to impress everyone! Nobody likes a braggart. (This is especially true when the braggart boasts about crap they've only accomplished in the land of make believe.)
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here is a decription:
the thing will function on Ten lines that all go up to ten. You will take a punch card designed to run with it, and use a whole puncher to punch holes counting as numbers, shown below:
1111111110
1011111111
1011111111
0111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1111111111
1 stands for paper, 0 stands for a hole. there will be a set of feeler Bars running through the card reader, that sit in place while the card moves along. Whenever one of the sensors on the feelers notice that
They've gone through a hole, it triggers a reaction to spin a servo that spins a number wheel, similar to that on a lock, that goes up to nine. there are ten of theese wheels, and as the card goes throught, each time
it feels a hole, the wheel adjecent to it spins up one number untill the card falls out the back, leaving you with a 10 diget number.
"will", "will". You said you built it. And this is way overkill. Servos? Spinning wheels? And this isn't adding, since there's no carry. You're also mixing binary and decimal. This is all bloody bullcrap. Now get off my lawn.
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So, what if it does come up with a number........Jonzu95 IS ALREADY USING IT on his phone!
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It's all because of the Jews.
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It's all because of the Jews.
Serge... are you telling me that Sparkey here is Mel Gibson Jr.?
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It's all because of the Jews.
Serge... are you telling me that Sparkey here is Mel Gibson Jr.?
Yes! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!111!
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I did'nt build THAT, but, the point is is that it can make a 10 digit number all on it's own by reading a card and I should get some credit for that.
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You can't "read" it. You're not storing it anywhere for computation. All you did was take a faw bars and translate holes to linear motion. I can build that sort of crap from Legos in a dozen of minutes.
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I' m working on one that takes in two cards and adds them up.
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The crap you described won't add them, I already explained it to you.
1) you mix and match decimal and binary. what the sh**?
2) there's no carry
3) get out of here and learn about what you're talking about
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Sparky, this is about IP addresses, at no point in that goddamn article does it point out that little punch cards that a 6th grader created will create a website let alone a whole user interface so go suck one and think before we have to do the thinking for you.
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The crap you described won't add them, I already explained it to you.
1) you mix and match decimal and binary. what the sh**?
2) there's no carry
3) get out of here and learn about what you're talking about
It was'nt mixing binary, stupid. I was using binary to represent it. IRL is would be a car full of holes, representated by the friggin 0s.
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Sparky, this is about IP addresses, at no point in that goddamn article does it point out that little punch cards that a 6th grader created will create a website let alone a whole user interface so go suck one and think before we have to do the thinking for you.
Thanks for saying what needed to be said.
As for me, I completely agree with Serge on the IPv4 matters. This isn't the end at all... until IPv6 runs out of addresses, but I have a feeling that they'll have a new system up well before they even get close to running out.
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I remember back when I was young and thought I knew everything. Those were not good times. Socrates is credited to have said, "I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance." I'm rather fond of that. The more intelligent you are, the more you know about how little you know. Sure, Socrates might not have existed, but that doesn't make the quotations attributed to him any less wise.
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The crap you described won't add them, I already explained it to you.
1) you mix and match decimal and binary. what the sh**?
2) there's no carry
3) get out of here and learn about what you're talking about
It was'nt mixing binary, stupid. I was using binary to represent it. IRL is would be a car full of holes, representated by the friggin 0s.
So wait. Let's switch to 8-bit instead of 10-bit, because that's easier to use. Let's take the humble number 42. Its representation in binary is 00101010 in 8-bit little endian or 01010100 in arbitrary-sized big endian. So when you want to add a 42 to a 43 you put this on your card:
00101010 <- 42
00101010 <- 43
The wheels start out at 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0. After the first number they switch to 00101010. After the second number they switch to 00202021. Now please tell me, what the crap is this wankery, and where's my 85?
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Aparentley you didn't listen. the 1010101010101s were for representation. The real card is a sheet of paper with a grit, and a hole in asorted grid spaces, which then are feeled by the feelers. Each hole that is felt by a ceartin feeler makes the above-adjecent wheel go up a number.
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As for me, I completely agree with Serge on the IPv4 matters. This isn't the end at all... until IPv6 runs out of addresses, but I have a feeling that they'll have a new system up well before they even get close to running out.
IPv6 is 128-bit. That's a lot. About 3.4e38. That's a 34 with 37 zeros. There's a bout 10^80 number of atoms in the universe. If you gave an IPv6 address to every second atom in the universe, it wouldn't run out.
@Sparkey. I understood. I'm describing how the "cards" would look like. But the way you represent numbers make no sense whatsoever.
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do I need to draw it?
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do I need to draw it?
Go for it!
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I understand the mechanics. I don't understand the logic behind it, if there's any whatsoever.
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It really has no uses, but it works :mrgreen:
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It doesn't work when it's called a "calculator" but it doesn't calculate anything. Good day sir.
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I did'nt build THAT, but, the point is is that it can make a 10 digit number all on it's own by reading a card and I should get some credit for that.
So, what if it does come up with a number........Jonzu95 IS ALREADY USING IT on his phone!
You are not getting the point THE NUMBERS ARE ALL USED UP!
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I did'nt build THAT, but, the point is is that it can make a 10 digit number all on it's own by reading a card and I should get some credit for that.
So, what if it does come up with a number........Jonzu95 IS ALREADY USING IT on his phone!
You are not getting the point THE NUMBERS ARE ALL USED UP!
4 8 15 16 23 42
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101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101
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Everybody will be crowding in to buy Sparkeys machine made of paper mache so they can have an IP number :beer:
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Everybody will be crowding in to buy Sparkeys machine made of paper mache so they can have an IP number :beer:
Oh my god I just crapped an awsome idea.
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Everybody will be crowding in to buy Sparkeys machine made of paper mache so they can have an IP number :beer:
I'll drink to that! (That and to not waste this beer I poured.)
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Who wants to run a apaper comuter company with me?
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Who wants to run a apaper comuter company with me?
Why run it with you when I already have the schematics to your calculator machine?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/furezo/spark_calc.png)
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Who wants to run a apaper comuter company with me?
How many hours do we work a day?
What's our annual salary?
Do we work on weekends?
How much do we get paid an hour?
Do we get paid vacation?
Do we get paid if we file a lawsuit?
Someone continue.....
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I'm totally gonna produce single board and full paper home computer systems that wor with TV screns!!!!11111111eleven1
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wait, to there's a www.com? (http://www.com?)
edit: Obviously there is.
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to be on topic, now a lot of this mainly confuses me and sparkey was talking crap. but when the IPv6 would be used, how would an IP address then look? and if it works differently with just more numbers between the dots and letters inserted in it, then we wouldn't be able to play games online that can only use IPv4 addresses (if they are different like that).
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I think Sparky has a good idea...but doesn't understand quite enough yet.
Bred with some more thought it will do well, IMO.
'Raptors' Inc would be a good company name cause it will devour cards up quickly.
Just trying to help.....
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wait, to there's a www.com? (http://www.com?)
edit: Obviously there is.
The first website ever made, but it has changed
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to be on topic, now a lot of this mainly confuses me and sparkey was talking crap. but when the IPv6 would be used, how would an IP address then look? and if it works differently with just more numbers between the dots and letters inserted in it, then we wouldn't be able to play games online that can only use IPv4 addresses (if they are different like that).
Here's how an IPv6 address looks like:
2001:2f4e:1337:F34A:0000:0000:0000:0000It's quite long since it's 128-bit. You can omit the zeros, so you get
2001:2f4e:1337:F34A::
And no, it won't work with old games and software, get over it. You can always use tunneling. Also, IPv6 addresses have a huge advantage when it comes to subnetting. With IPv4, a network had an external IP address visible from the internet (let's say 56.134.27.76), and another local network, with computers having addresses from let's say 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.255.
The problem is, you can't directly access the network from the outside, if not via port redirecting on the gateway (the machine that has both an internal and external IP address, that acts as a "bridge" between the two networks), like saying that port 22 accessed on the external address is being redirected to the machine with the internal IP 192.168.1.34, and port 80 is given to 192.168.1.46. Another option would be fiddling around with setting the destination IP on a packet sent from the outside network and sending it to the gateway, which might redirect it to a local computer if it's configured so. But unfortunately the sending computer can't be more than one hop away from the gateway.
What IPv6 enables you to do is set the first half of the address as the address of the network, then the second part of the address as different addresses for each computer on your subnetwork. This allows direct access to the computers without assigning virtual ports.
There are also several other advantages, like the simpler header, the fact that routers don't need to perform fragmentation, the IP layers doesn't have checksumming (done by higher layers like TCP), and TTL has now became Hop Limit.
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I'm totally gonna produce single board and full paper home computer systems that wor with TV screns!!!!11111111eleven1
All tv screens can be a monitor as long as you have a vga port.
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Is this expert Bill Nye?
Another thing, if there aren't enough IP addresses, can't they just reclaim the ones that have become defunct? Say, if an IP address hasn't been used for a year, then it goes back into the pool of IP addresses and can be reassigned to something else, same as with mobile phone numbers.
Smartphones. I hate the damn things. Partly because everyone thinks they're cool if they have one, partly because they're responsible for some of the theoretical running out of IP addresses, but mostly because if you lose it, you are utterly screwed.
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I dont see the problem, all my computers and phone have IP addresses already, so running out isnt a problem.. just tough luck for the next generations :P
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Another thing, if there aren't enough IP addresses, can't they just reclaim the ones that have become defunct? Say, if an IP address hasn't been used for a year, then it goes back into the pool of IP addresses and can be reassigned to something else, same as with mobile phone numbers.
Well, most IPs are assigned by contract, so you can't just reclaim an IP from someone that bought them.
Smartphones. I hate the damn things. Partly because everyone thinks they're cool if they have one, partly because they're responsible for some of the theoretical running out of IP addresses, but mostly because if you lose it, you are utterly screwed.
Way to generalize. EVERYONE that has a smartphone thinks they're cool? Does the usual businessman that uses a Blackberry to connect to their Exchange server think that they're awesome? No, it's just a tool, a pretty useful but dreaded terminal (since it makes you reachable everywhere all the time). Neither do I, owner of an iPhone, think that I'm cool. It's a work tool for me. I use it to browse the intertubez or to communicate with my clients when I'm not home or on the train (FYI: I do about 4 hours of transit every weekday).
The IPv4 protocol should have been abandoned long ago. Blame residential ISPs for the fact that we still use it.
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I don't understand why an IP has a number limit. Why should it?
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Because the first IP address is 0.0.0.0 and the last one is 255.255.255.255. It's 256^4 or 2^32.
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@Sparkey, Everything that is beneficial and is in excess has to be retained somehow. Technologists, Inventors, Businessmen and Businesswomen, or anyone who has come up with a solution that makes life either more easier, accessible, and/or more affordable for all of us all knows this. To be frank. It isn't good practice to make any good or service limitless, even if it's free. To answer your question on the IP number limit, All of the IP addresses are stored in some system somewhere. It makes it easier to limit it to a series of numbers for efficiency. Could you imagine trying to register an IP address that is 25-30 characters long? After while it would seem pretty pointless.
IPv6 is supposedly going to offer us millions (maybe billions) more IP addresses to use. This means more web-accessible smartphones and devices, more web sites and hosting services, and more genuine online securities and other applications that require a separate IP. They say that this version is also more secure than IPv4, but it is still not completely bug free.
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Good point.
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Gigafrost, I already said most of these. Also, security is based on the application (7th) and presentation (6th) layer and not the network (3rd) layer.
Also, IPv6 is going to be 32 characters, hexadecimal, long.
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Gigafrost, I already said most of these. Also, security is based on the application (7th) and presentation (6th) layer and not the network (3rd) layer.
True. I mixed up my details. I meant to reference the fact that they claim that IPv6 should be more "Network Secure" but is as of now I'm only getting this data from Wikipedia. They also say something about re-engineering IPsec with may or may not be a big thing.
Also, IPv6 is going to be 32 characters, hexadecimal, long.
Yup, This is going to be the biggest difference from IPv4.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Ipv6_address_leading_zeros.svg/760px-Ipv6_address_leading_zeros.svg.png) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Ipv6_address_leading_zeros.svg)