JoshChristian99?????

[frezal]

You guys are very ignorant products of a post-modern materialistic relativism. You don't understand people very well either, starting with yourselves.  Be careful of what you set as your paradigm in life,... it's easy to shoot from the hip.  Evolution is far from an indisputable fact, and has several issues.  But that's another topic; right now I'm talking about Epistemology:

Indisputable? Nothing in science is. Evolution is, however, the prevailing theory and the one with the most evidence. Creationism, which is what this JoshChristian kid promotes, has no scientific basis. It takes a preconceived idea and tries to retroactively fit it with what is now known.

 

As I had previously pointed out to Jeff (which he apparently doesn't yet understand), 'just talk facts' and remove the 'emotional coercion' for non-supportive responders....Ad Hominem.  One should just state facts, and let others think for themselves...without the coercionary tactics.  Like the main tactic of the Inquisition, you're adding and then imposing your own anger onto non-conformists. Jefferey's own little 'hell' for non-conformists.

Just stating the facts would be for an informative post. I'm here to express my views and to be a rabble-rouser. 
 

If you're doing the added coercion on purpose, then I feel sad for you, for you are a blatant hypocrite.  If you're not doing it on purpose, then you have some internal baggage that needs to be dealt with, that would 'desire a certain paradigm'...or else.  No further (unbiased) learning can take place until this is removed.

Hypocrite? When have I ever advocated that people keep their views to themselves? (On a forum, nonetheless.) Educators should keep their bias to a minimum, but there's no reason why I shouldn't. I'm not an authority figure using my status to coerce the defenseless; I'm just some guy.

As far as 'indoctrination', it's true that it happens all of the time to manipulate supportive responses.  Coming across 'hard' and 'brash' is used often as an 'opiate of the masses' also, to control others mind-sets (making it uncomfortable for them to disagree), else they'll be demeaned or ridiculed.  Frezal, think about it; easily over 90% of your comments are finding a fault or derogatory to someone.  If they're ignorant, then help them up don't slam them down.  Emotions cloud logic in self and when imposed on others. Therefore, just state the facts and let them stand, for facts stand on their own...  No need to alter their comfort level, unless there's ulterior motive to 'support a desired reality' (manipulating).

Sure, everybody dancing around a campfire singing folk songs might sound like fun, but I assure you, it isn't. My posts are written in a way that I find comical. Usually, at least. Sometimes I'm just trying to ignite some flames to stimulate discussion (which seems to have worked in this thread).

Any good researcher/scientist, who wants to objectively learn some aspects of reality (experiment), FIRST checks his test-equipment to make sure it is calibrated accurately, so that the meters' are not misinforming him. If he doesn't bother to check, but assumes objectiveness, then he really doesn't want to know. It's the same with us... We need to understand and then check for objectivity in ourselves, first.  But, we do not see the need to check for this kind of baggage. Do we try to bias the input I receive?  Reality IS what it is.  In fact, one should be wary of any paradigm that needed to manipulate support for it, (though it still needs to be checked).

Ok. That doesn't change the fact that this JoshChristian kid is clearly parroting what he heard from his parents. Kids that age simply do not have the critical thinking skills to have their own political beliefs or their own religious beliefs. Views can be thrust upon them, but they really have no say in the matter.

I would and have been very tempted to start a thread on 'Evolution and Intellegent Design', but I just do not have the time to follow through on it.... giving pros and cons for the propositions...in all categories.

If you start one, I will likely waste a lot of my time there.

And please understand that I'm not attacking you, in any way, for you are just as important as anyone else.  I'm just trying to point out the bias so evident within you, that few will face and deal with,... which I first found in myself years ago when I assumed the meters were naturally calibrated accurately... Until this coercionary baggage is removed from any person, it would be like Martin Luther King trying to reason with a Skinhead...the emotions will not allow for appropriate paradigm shifts....
 

I'm aware that I am very biased against religion. However, If I were to raise any kids, I wouldn't raise them to be atheist. I would give them the tools to choose their own path whenever it is that they do so.


The kid in these series of videos was clearly not given the tools. His parents wanted him to be a Christian, so they've removed any influences that might sway him to a different belief. Sadly, the same thing may have happened with his parents.

[Madiaba]

The first sentance shows you read this thread, the second shows you read it poorly.

Evolution is far from an indisputable fact, and has several issues.  But that's another topic; right now I'm talking about Epistemology...

None of them are saying that Christianity is flawed, only that they hate those who take religion to push their own agena, and those who promote the us vs them ideology. and half of the people here are Agnostic, AKA Not-Knowing.

This is just me assuming you are implying, as you are christian, and I have a slight us VS them mentality as well.

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z0LXNn2sxg&feature=related

He is a WINNAR.

And I don't think an evo V YEC V OEC V any other creation belief is a good idea...

S-32, Thanks for your input, but I did read this rightly. I'm not defending Evolution or Christanity, at all.  I was talking about letting people think for themselves, without the coercion/indoctrination tactics (i.e. ridiculing other perspectives) to push their own agenda.  Let the facts do that; anything else is emotional coercion to push/sway some one's mind apart from reason. I'm talking about not doing exactly what at the same time you're complaining about.
 
The kid on the vid is really ignorant, NP.


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You guys are very ignorant products of a post-modern materialistic relativism. You don't understand people very well either, starting with yourselves.  Be careful of what you set as your paradigm in life,... it's easy to shoot from the hip.  Evolution is far from an indisputable fact, and has several issues.  But that's another topic; right now I'm talking about Epistemology:

Indisputable? Nothing in science is. Evolution is, however, the prevailing theory and the one with the most evidence. Creationism, which is what this JoshChristian kid promotes, has no scientific basis. It takes a preconceived idea and tries to retroactively fit it with what is now known.
Intelligent Design has a lot of evidence in science and all other fields, but that's not the topic here. It's the fact that you're complaining (and rightfully so) of the indoctrination/persuasion of people by other means than the mere facts.
 

 

As I had previously pointed out to Jeff (which he apparently doesn't yet understand), 'just talk facts' and remove the 'emotional coercion' for non-supportive responders....Ad Hominem.  One should just state facts, and let others think for themselves...without the coercionary tactics.  Like the main tactic of the Inquisition, you're adding and then imposing your own anger onto non-conformists. Jefferey's own little 'hell' for non-conformists.

Just stating the facts would be for an informative post. I'm here to express my views and to be a rabble-rouser. 
You're tactic through emotion to persuade is counter-productive.  That's what these religious idiots do too.  Just 'pushing' a different paradigm. It's the same tactic as some frenzied preacher does, through 'emotional' persuasion.  Not good.
Also, once one starts leaving reason and attacking their opponent, their argument loses ground quickly (Ad Hominem).
 

 

If you're doing the added coercion on purpose, then I feel sad for you, for you are a blatant hypocrite.  If you're not doing it on purpose, then you have some internal baggage that needs to be dealt with, that would 'desire a certain paradigm'...or else.  No further (unbiased) learning can take place until this is removed.

Hypocrite? When have I ever advocated that people keep their views to themselves? (On a forum, nonetheless.) Educators should keep their bias to a minimum, but there's no reason why I shouldn't. I'm not an authority figure using my status to coerce the defenseless; I'm just some guy.
It wouldn't even have to be this topic.  Arguing just for the sake of arguing almost destroyed Greece before Socrates, and several other social groups through history.  It resolves nothing and leaves the means of resolving problems, a joke. I know that arguing is like a 'sport' now... But it was at one time the 'means of resolving issues'...which we rarely do anymore. But now it's abused to 'conquer/win', rather than to 'resolve'.. When issues came up in times past, people used to discuss the issue for the objective of 'resolution', and only sometime turn into a competitive scenario.  Today it is merely a verbal battle.Discussing issues is like a special 'tool' for repairing a problem. But when it's so misrepresented as a plaything/toy, then from habit it is mainly/only automatically abused as a toy.  Thus no repairs happen.  While one may feel better, nothing was actually made better.Your not an authority figure here, but you're still manipulating, on top of just pure logic, the objective basis of discovering reality.  There's no need to append the derogatory emotions to a logic based discussion.
 
 
 
 

As far as 'indoctrination', it's true that it happens all of the time to manipulate supportive responses.  Coming across 'hard' and 'brash' is used often as an 'opiate of the masses' also, to control others mind-sets (making it uncomfortable for them to disagree), else they'll be demeaned or ridiculed.  Frezal, think about it; easily over 90% of your comments are finding a fault or derogatory to someone.  If they're ignorant, then help them up don't slam them down.  Emotions cloud logic in self and when imposed on others. Therefore, just state the facts and let them stand, for facts stand on their own...  No need to alter their comfort level, unless there's ulterior motive to 'support a desired reality' (manipulating).

Sure, everybody dancing around a campfire singing folk songs might sound like fun, but I assure you, it isn't. My posts are written in a way that I find comical. Usually, at least. Sometimes I'm just trying to ignite some flames to stimulate discussion (which seems to have worked in this thread).
That's the problem these days. We're so depraved that we can't do anything unless we can milk a little buzz/stimlulation out of it...using whomever is handy at the time...
 
 
 

 

Any good researcher/scientist, who wants to objectively learn some aspects of reality (experiment), FIRST checks his test-equipment to make sure it is calibrated accurately, so that the meters' are not misinforming him. If he doesn't bother to check, but assumes objectiveness, then he really doesn't want to know. It's the same with us... We need to understand and then check for objectivity in ourselves, first.  But, we do not see the need to check for this kind of baggage. Do we try to bias the input I receive?  Reality IS what it is.  In fact, one should be wary of any paradigm that needed to manipulate support for it, (though it still needs to be checked).

Ok. That doesn't change the fact that this JoshChristian kid is clearly parroting what he heard from his parents. Kids that age simply do not have the critical thinking skills to have their own political beliefs or their own religious beliefs. Views can be thrust upon them, but they really have no say in the matter.
I totally agree.  The kid was persuaded by 'something other than the facts'.
 
 
 

I would and have been very tempted to start a thread on 'Evolution and Intellegent Design', but I just do not have the time to follow through on it.... giving pros and cons for the propositions...in all categories.

If you start one, I will likely waste a lot of my time there.
I've studied and believed evolution longer than you've been alive.  I held it tenaciously until I was confronted by a biology teacher from MIT.  He shared more than a few problems with the theory in general, natural selection, and mutation.  He is not permitted to express these issues, for in present acedamia, there IS a bias against noting, teaching or especially publishing anything that would disrupt the presently accepted theory of Evolution.  Thus, anything non-supportive to the theory never makes it into the text books you might have read. I've run into this prejudice from several.  These would not openly share their problematic observations for fear of reprisal. I think some guy called Ben Stein manifested some cases where the professors/researchers DID express their findings and ideas. 
But again, we're off the topic of 'indoctrination'.

 
 

And please understand that I'm not attacking you, in any way, for you are just as important as anyone else.  I'm just trying to point out the bias so evident within you, that few will face and deal with,... which I first found in myself years ago when I assumed the meters were naturally calibrated accurately... Until this coercionary baggage is removed from any person, it would be like Martin Luther King trying to reason with a Skinhead...the emotions will not allow for appropriate paradigm shifts....
 

I'm aware that I am very biased against religion. However, If I were to raise any kids, I wouldn't raise them to be atheist. I would give them the tools to choose their own path whenever it is that they do so.
Not far from you here.  But I would make sure they always stay in logic though, nothing else is allowed or appended to the dialogue for persuasion.

 

The kid in these series of videos was clearly not given the tools. His parents wanted him to be a Christian, so they've removed any influences that might sway him to a different belief. Sadly, the same thing may have happened with his parents.

They manipulated him outside of reasoning, yep. Let's not do the same, then.

[frezal]

What the **** are we even talking about?

[Sage]

I believe it has to do with your style of persuasion and how you criticize the elders of this child for indoctrination when you, in fact, are doing it yourself through your emotional aspect of your arguing.


At least, that's what I think is going on...

[frezal]

I believe it has to do with your style of persuasion and how you criticize the elders of this child for indoctrination when you, in fact, are doing it yourself through your emotional aspect of your arguing.


At least, that's what I think is going on...

I see. Is Madiaba making the case that persuasion is equivalent to indoctrination?

[Madiaba]

I believe it has to do with your style of persuasion and how you criticize the elders of this child for indoctrination when you, in fact, are doing it yourself through your emotional aspect of your arguing.


At least, that's what I think is going on...

I see. Is Madiaba making the case that persuasion is equivalent to indoctrination?

Exactly, I am.  I have not been talking about Origins, but Epistemology (as I initially stated). Legit persuasion is to be done be reasoning of the facts alone, without emotional alterations...though it is done all of the time (like this kid). Reality should speak for herself.  If I add to the fact(s), I'm manipulating too, just like the religious spin doctors, used car salesman, or silicon implants...(but that's off topic too ).
 

[Naryar]

So Mad, you are basically telling us that we're being hastily aggressive on this guy because we're thinking he's wrong rather than using more logical ?

And i can't get why as a Christian you're not defending religion at all. You said that creationism has a lot of evidence, hence defending the idea of God existing, hence defending religion ? I might be wrong (you might be defending theism and not religion) but just a thought...

And you are definitely manipulating/influencing us with logic :P

[Madiaba]

And i can't get why as a Christian you're not defending religion at all. You said that creationism has a lot of evidence, hence defending the idea of God existing, hence defending religion ? I might be wrong (you might be defending theism and not religion) but just a thought...
Maybe I will,... it's just because of that four-letter word 'TIME'.  Just writing out this single point on legitimate persuasion was detrimental...

And you are definitely manipulating/influencing us with logic :P
Sorry about that. I'll add a little 'emotional hype' to facilitate the promotion of my thesis next time...

[Naryar]

And you are definitely manipulating/influencing us with logic :P
Sorry about that. I'll add a little 'emotional hype' to facilitate the promotion of my thesis next time...

Heh, no problem. Every one of us influences people when he communicates anyway...

[russian roulette]

He is back and flaming probably the most popular game (other than Halo) for the xbox!

[Thyrus]

Natef was the one who "showed" me that guy. I don`t believe in god or anything else. I don`t care if people believe in god or however  "it" is called if that helps them to get around with theire lifes. But JoshChristian is one of that kids I like to hate for what they say.

^^^grammar police please^^^

[RedSawn]

RR: He's totally failed. Sounds like he's played it for a while.. yet judging from his previous video on the subject, he wants violent video games destroyed?

[Sparkey98]

BUMP

Check his channel now. He comited suicide!

[Serge]

He acts a bit like Reier, HurricaneAndrew or Sparkey98. "OMG IM GONNA LEAVE and/or KILL MYSELF. J/K LOL"

[090901]

BUMP

Check his channel now. He comited suicide!

you really fell for it?

[Sparkey98]

No :) I just wanted to see people reactions

to getting rick rolled

[frezal]

He acts a bit like Reier, HurricaneAndrew or Sparkey98. "OMG IM GONNA LEAVE and/or KILL MYSELF. J/K LOL"

Reier is also a hard-x-core Jesus. Perhaps Reier IS JoshChristian99. Notice how we haven't seen the two of them in the same room?

[Serge]

He acts a bit like Reier, HurricaneAndrew or Sparkey98. "OMG IM GONNA LEAVE and/or KILL MYSELF. J/K LOL"

Reier is also a hard-x-core Jesus. Perhaps Reier IS JoshChristian99. Notice how we haven't seen the two of them in the same room?

Directed By M. Night Shyamalan

[Meganerdbomb]

He is just a troll and nothing else. The only thing that I have against him is that he is supposedly responsible for Lukeywes1234's ban.
I think he might be lying about that though.
Hell, he might be lying about all this crap. He may have simply realized that being an 11-year-old religious nut was the most effective way to troll /b/ and the internetz as a whole. I mean, you can't say that it hasn't been highly successful. Look at you all being trolled right now.

[Badnik96]

Here's my theory on Josh:

"O HAI I'M 11 AND ALL I EVER TALK ABOUT IS CHRISTIANITY AND I WANT ALL THESE GHEY WAR GAMEZ TO BE BANNED CUZ THEY INTERFERE WITH SOME 2 WORD SENTENCE IN TEH BIBLE AND IF ANYONE PISSES ME OFF I WILL POST SOME RANT AND GET U BANNED SO THERE LOLOLOLOL"

yeah, I had some awesome rant but I accidentally deleted it