The Big Questions of the Universe

[Pyromaniac605]

If I said that I could see God? What basis would you have for telling me otherwise?

I'd ask for evidence, you wouldn't be able to give any, ergo you are either lying, or were hallucinating.

[Meganerdbomb]

You would assume I was hallucinating, but you would have no basis for saying so. I could simply be capable of perceiving things that you are not, but I could never prove it to one who's perceptions are so narrow. Of course, there's also no way for me to know if I am actually perceiving God.

[Scourge of teh Galaxy]

If you said you could see god, I'd tell you to prove it

But you can't. No one can. He's too high and mighty to come onto the mortal plane, if he even exists at all

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Right, time for a video. =) I think it's somewhat relevant to the discussion currently going on. Should probably warn for some expletives ahead if the play button is clicked.

[Meganerdbomb]

Right, time for a video. =) I think it's somewhat relevant to the discussion currently going on. Should probably warn for some expletives ahead if the play button is clicked.

Seen it before. And it's pretty irrelevant to my current argument. Mr. Michin is a great comedian, but he's no philosopher.
Holistic medicine really is bullsh** though.

[Pyromaniac605]

Right, time for a video. =) I think it's somewhat relevant to the discussion currently going on. Should probably warn for some expletives ahead if the play button is clicked.

Seen it before. And it's pretty irrelevant to my current argument. Mr. Michin is a great comedian, but he's no philosopher.
Holistic medicine really is bullsh** though.

So, holistic medicine is bullsh**, yet believing that we can't trust our own senses and the senses of others isn't?

[Meganerdbomb]

That is correct. Problem?

[Scourge of teh Galaxy]

Yeah. It's called the Placebo Effect

[Pyromaniac605]

That is correct. Problem?

Yes, the fact that, as Scourge said, holistic medicine at least appears to work due to the placebo affect, where as you still haven't come up with any good arguments as to why nobody's senses can be trusted. You used Plato's Cave to try and make your point, but didn't come up with any arguments to support the fact that we are inside the "cave".

[Meganerdbomb]

The placebo affect is a perfect example of our perceptions determining reality.

[Scourge of teh Galaxy]

Placebo Effect is simply a mind over matter scenario. I use them a lot, often accidentally, to feel what I imagine

[Pyromaniac605]

Placebo Effect is simply a mind over matter scenario. I use them a lot, often accidentally, to feel what I imagine

QFT.
Nowhere near being a problem with your senses.

[Scourge of teh Galaxy]

Well, it is, kinda. It's a problem with your brain overriding your senses

[Pyromaniac605]

Well, it is, kinda. It's a problem with your brain overriding your senses

Not the same thing as your senses being wrong, or "lying".

Edit: If anything, you shouldn't trust your brain over your senses, which is of course impossible.