arguing about dubstep

[Badger]

I like dubstep. Maybe it's because I hate my eardrums, idk.

[Domanating]

Dubstep to me is just noise that really makes me deaf. It makes me tense and violent.
About 70% of all the music I hear are oldies, between the 40s and the 70s and Classic music. The rest are some rare and more recent picks here and there because of their interesting rhythm.

Music Genres that I specially don't like are Heavy metal, Death Metal, Dubstep and 98% of Techno. I might have forgotten something but I don't remember right now.

I have to say in the first place that I'm not that open minded to new music. Many people tell me "You don't like anything! You should be more open minded to music!" In my defense, I can judge a music and say if it's interesting and well made but it doesn't mean I have to like it. There's no way to force me to like it. I heard it, I don't like it, end of story.

But with the music genres I mentioned above I can't even judge the musics because I can't find sense in them. For me it's just noise, screams, bangs and whatever, just chaos. I'm unable to find a pattern or a line to follow. I know most people will criticize me but I put all those genres I hate in the same box and classify them altogether as "musics from hell".  But that's how my brain works so I can't change it 

I honestly cannot physically understand how other people are able to like those genres and specially Dubstep, because I consider it the peak of music nonsense.
I do however respect your music tastes and choices as long as you respect mine aswell.

No, this is the peak of music nonsense
http://nequamsonitus.bandcamp.com/album/900-n-howard

Holy ____. What the ____. That's true music for nightmares! The 1st music is enough make sleepless for 3 days straight....
It's funny they have links for the lyrics...

At least their music tags are honest:
 "tags: experimental ae9fawj3fimf9aisklfm ****************** noise Tampa"

You think the music is scary? Read through this sh** http://np.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/16rkri/i_just_got_this_in_the_mail_i_have_no_idea_where/c7ys3t6?context=1

I'm not sure on how to react after reading that and the images and videos. I'm going with the simplest explanation and say they lost their marbles. I refuse any further analysis of whatever that is

[Jamin]

Dubstep to me is just noise that really makes me deaf. It makes me tense and violent.
About 70% of all the music I hear are oldies, between the 40s and the 70s and Classic music. The rest are some rare and more recent picks here and there because of their interesting rhythm.

Music Genres that I specially don't like are Heavy metal, Death Metal, Dubstep and 98% of Techno. I might have forgotten something but I don't remember right now.

I have to say in the first place that I'm not that open minded to new music. Many people tell me "You don't like anything! You should be more open minded to music!" In my defense, I can judge a music and say if it's interesting and well made but it doesn't mean I have to like it. There's no way to force me to like it. I heard it, I don't like it, end of story.

But with the music genres I mentioned above I can't even judge the musics because I can't find sense in them. For me it's just noise, screams, bangs and whatever, just chaos. I'm unable to find a pattern or a line to follow. I know most people will criticize me but I put all those genres I hate in the same box and classify them altogether as "musics from hell".  But that's how my brain works so I can't change it 

I honestly cannot physically understand how other people are able to like those genres and specially Dubstep, because I consider it the peak of music nonsense.
I do however respect your music tastes and choices as long as you respect mine aswell.

No, this is the peak of music nonsense
http://nequamsonitus.bandcamp.com/album/900-n-howard

Holy ____. What the ____. That's true music for nightmares! The 1st music is enough make sleepless for 3 days straight....
It's funny they have links for the lyrics...

At least their music tags are honest:
 "tags: experimental ae9fawj3fimf9aisklfm ****************** noise Tampa"

You think the music is scary? Read through this sh** http://np.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/16rkri/i_just_got_this_in_the_mail_i_have_no_idea_where/c7ys3t6?context=1

I'm not sure on how to react after reading that and the images and videos. I'm going with the simplest explanation and say they lost their marbles. I refuse any further analysis of whatever that is

It's just some viral marketing setup the band is using to promote their music, OP is probably a member of the band.

[Domanating]

Dubstep to me is just noise that really makes me deaf. It makes me tense and violent.
About 70% of all the music I hear are oldies, between the 40s and the 70s and Classic music. The rest are some rare and more recent picks here and there because of their interesting rhythm.

Music Genres that I specially don't like are Heavy metal, Death Metal, Dubstep and 98% of Techno. I might have forgotten something but I don't remember right now.

I have to say in the first place that I'm not that open minded to new music. Many people tell me "You don't like anything! You should be more open minded to music!" In my defense, I can judge a music and say if it's interesting and well made but it doesn't mean I have to like it. There's no way to force me to like it. I heard it, I don't like it, end of story.

But with the music genres I mentioned above I can't even judge the musics because I can't find sense in them. For me it's just noise, screams, bangs and whatever, just chaos. I'm unable to find a pattern or a line to follow. I know most people will criticize me but I put all those genres I hate in the same box and classify them altogether as "musics from hell".  But that's how my brain works so I can't change it 

I honestly cannot physically understand how other people are able to like those genres and specially Dubstep, because I consider it the peak of music nonsense.
I do however respect your music tastes and choices as long as you respect mine aswell.

No, this is the peak of music nonsense
http://nequamsonitus.bandcamp.com/album/900-n-howard

Holy ____. What the ____. That's true music for nightmares! The 1st music is enough make sleepless for 3 days straight....
It's funny they have links for the lyrics...

At least their music tags are honest:
 "tags: experimental ae9fawj3fimf9aisklfm ****************** noise Tampa"

You think the music is scary? Read through this sh** http://np.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/16rkri/i_just_got_this_in_the_mail_i_have_no_idea_where/c7ys3t6?context=1

I'm not sure on how to react after reading that and the images and videos. I'm going with the simplest explanation and say they lost their marbles. I refuse any further analysis of whatever that is

It's just some viral marketing setup the band is using to promote their music, OP is probably a member of the band.

Marketing? I sure hope they are repelling more people then attracting.

[Jamin]

Dubstep to me is just noise that really makes me deaf. It makes me tense and violent.
About 70% of all the music I hear are oldies, between the 40s and the 70s and Classic music. The rest are some rare and more recent picks here and there because of their interesting rhythm.

Music Genres that I specially don't like are Heavy metal, Death Metal, Dubstep and 98% of Techno. I might have forgotten something but I don't remember right now.

I have to say in the first place that I'm not that open minded to new music. Many people tell me "You don't like anything! You should be more open minded to music!" In my defense, I can judge a music and say if it's interesting and well made but it doesn't mean I have to like it. There's no way to force me to like it. I heard it, I don't like it, end of story.

But with the music genres I mentioned above I can't even judge the musics because I can't find sense in them. For me it's just noise, screams, bangs and whatever, just chaos. I'm unable to find a pattern or a line to follow. I know most people will criticize me but I put all those genres I hate in the same box and classify them altogether as "musics from hell".  But that's how my brain works so I can't change it 

I honestly cannot physically understand how other people are able to like those genres and specially Dubstep, because I consider it the peak of music nonsense.
I do however respect your music tastes and choices as long as you respect mine aswell.

No, this is the peak of music nonsense
http://nequamsonitus.bandcamp.com/album/900-n-howard

Holy ____. What the ____. That's true music for nightmares! The 1st music is enough make sleepless for 3 days straight....
It's funny they have links for the lyrics...

At least their music tags are honest:
 "tags: experimental ae9fawj3fimf9aisklfm ****************** noise Tampa"

You think the music is scary? Read through this sh** http://np.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/16rkri/i_just_got_this_in_the_mail_i_have_no_idea_where/c7ys3t6?context=1

I'm not sure on how to react after reading that and the images and videos. I'm going with the simplest explanation and say they lost their marbles. I refuse any further analysis of whatever that is

It's just some viral marketing setup the band is using to promote their music, OP is probably a member of the band.

Marketing? I sure hope they are repelling more people then attracting.

probably, I like it though.

[Domanating]

probably, I like it though.

Sorry I couldn't help myself 

[Naryar]

Before you kids continue, I would kindly remain all of you... eh, "kindly" ? Who am I kidding ?

No flame wars in chatterbox, playground is the board for that. Unless you'd like to be muted.

arguments are all fine and dandy and necessary, but if you start to hurl insults to each other I will come and end you.

Know the difference between both.

[madman3]

lol that's just the typical close minded meddul head argument against Electronica in general. "hurr yur just pushin buttons plae a real instrument fag xddd"

That said dubstep still sucks, but saying sh** like that is pretty ignorant.

I stopped using that argument against electronic music when I started listening to Massive Attack.
but yeah dubstep is annoying, pretty irritating and just generally bad compositionally.

BTW Dom, I was initially repelled by death metal but I got used to the whole vocal style and aggression and whatnot, so it's decent when you get used to it. Got some swell riffs as well. Perhaps the same could be applied to dubstep, but I have no idea and I doubt it considering it revolves around the genre stereotypes.

[Incredirobotwars]

As a rather avid listener of dubstep and other electronica (as some of you may well know), I agree with the points TX have mentioned. Most of the current arguments against this style of music (that aren't insults) are simply the you don't like the music. That's fine by me. I know that a lot of people would despair if they went through my music, but that's just what I like. Some music, for example death metal, I detest and am uncomfortable listening to...but I tollerate its existance and the fact that people listen to it. Anyway, the general point here is as TX said: preference. Deal with it, and stick to your own preferences if you don't like dubstep.

[Mr. AS]

this thread is dumb

[090901]

well you're just too dumb to construct an argument.

You could go and prove that dubstep doesn't sound terrible, but instead you make this post. You are too stupid to construct an argument.

How the **** does one "prove" this? It's an opinion he has, get over it.

He finds a dubstep song that doesn't sound terrible :V

[Jamin]

well you're just too dumb to construct an argument.

You could go and prove that dubstep doesn't sound terrible, but instead you make this post. You are too stupid to construct an argument.

How the **** does one "prove" this? It's an opinion he has, get over it.

He finds a dubstep song that doesn't sound terrible :V

[090901]

well you're just too dumb to construct an argument.

You could go and prove that dubstep doesn't sound terrible, but instead you make this post. You are too stupid to construct an argument.

How the **** does one "prove" this? It's an opinion he has, get over it.

He finds a dubstep song that doesn't sound terrible :V

NO SPARKEY HURTS CRAYOLA JAMIN FACE CHAN THIS IS A CHALLENGE FOR HIM

[MassimoV]

If you can find a good one, its really good. Most of it is a 13 year old dork on his computer but some sound really sinister and awesome. Like in most genres, there are good and bad.

[Resetti's Replicas]

All of your arguments are centered around that it's "hard" to make.  Just because something's hard to make doesn't mean it's good; Uwe Bowle movies, the Pontiac Aztek, and the Soviet Union were all hard to make  but that doesn't mean they were good.


Music should have a pleasant blend of sound and tempo.  Dubstep just jumps all over the place with no semblance of construction.  The "wub" noises are very very annoying.

[MassimoV]

All of your arguments are centered around that it's "hard" to make.  Just because something's hard to make doesn't mean it's good; Uwe Bowle movies, the Pontiac Aztek, and the Soviet Union were all hard to make  but that doesn't mean they were good.


Music should have a pleasant blend of sound and tempo.  Dubstep just jumps all over the place with no semblance of construction.  The "wub" noises are very very annoying.

You don't like insanity? Also, it's hard to make a good RA2 bot.

[Jamin]

All of your arguments are centered around that it's "hard" to make.  Just because something's hard to make doesn't mean it's good; Uwe Bowle movies, the Pontiac Aztek, and the Soviet Union were all hard to make  but that doesn't mean they were good.


Music should have a pleasant blend of sound and tempo.  Dubstep just jumps all over the place with no semblance of construction.  The "wub" noises are very very annoying.

Who the **** are you to decide what is "pleasant" sounding? Yet again, every argument against Dumbstep I have seen comes down to a matter of "I don't like it therefore you're a bad person for thinking the opposite!"

People have different tastes and opinions than you do. get the **** over it. I absolutely despise of dethmetul and yet you don't see me ranting about how bad it is or how it takes no skill to make.

>inb4 "yeah well metal is good and dubstep is bad so your argument is invalid xd"

[Incredirobotwars]

All of your arguments are centered around that it's "hard" to make.  Just because something's hard to make doesn't mean it's good

It wasn't about it being 'hard to make', it's that they are countering the arguments that accuse dubstep of being easy to make with no skill involved at all.

And in terms of your 'no semblance of construction' argument, it appears that way with some songs, but some that I listen to keep a constant tempo, and vary the bass enough to make it interesting and not repetitive. That's why I like South Central, who do a DJ set that''s about an hour long, and release an EP containing some of the beats but produced as an entire song. They test it out and see what they like, then do it. That's how music should be made, instead of just producing this pop stuff that's just accepted and shoved into the charts because it's new.

[cephalopod]

2. guitarists are much better because they practice for years, people who make dubstep can make a song in an hour.
that's also a load of crap. like i said before, i've been trying to make dubstep for quite a while now, and it's still no easier than before, and if someone who makes dubstep makes a song in an hour, it would be 0:30 long and would song awful.
people who play the guitar can make songs in just the same amount of time as someone who makes dubstep. check this out, for example.

i'm sure this guy knows how to play the guitar, but the song took 5:42 to make, and that's almost 6/10 of the time it took to make a dubstep tracki, according to you.

Now I agree with most of your points, even though I don't enjoy it I can appreciate it isn't made instantly. HOWEVER. That guy is not making a song. He just improv-riffed. Any guitarist with a little imagination, even myself, can randomly play things they like. He just put drums over it afterwards (which probably took a fair while longer than the 5:42 improv).


But yeah as for DETH METUL VS DUBSTEP or whatever who cares it's what people want to listen to. I can enjoy a lot of electronic music. Justice, for example, are freakin' awesome. However as you all know I tend to listen to mostly alt rock. At the end of the day, even if someone listens to Justin Bieber or whatever, who are you to judge, because the person your judging could say nasty stuff about what you listen to and you would not like that.


However after years of people taking the piss out of my music taste good luck with that. ;p

[Resetti's Replicas]

All of your arguments are centered around that it's "hard" to make.  Just because something's hard to make doesn't mean it's good

It wasn't about it being 'hard to make', it's that they are countering the arguments that accuse dubstep of being easy to make with no skill involved at all.

Fair enough, but if that's all he has to say on the matter, hten he hasn't made any arguments about why they're wrong for hating it.  Granted they shouldn't attack his character for his taste in music, but I hardly think that that warrants an entire thread.

All of your arguments are centered around that it's "hard" to make.  Just because something's hard to make doesn't mean it's good; Uwe Bowle movies, the Pontiac Aztek, and the Soviet Union were all hard to make  but that doesn't mean they were good.


Music should have a pleasant blend of sound and tempo.  Dubstep just jumps all over the place with no semblance of construction.  The "wub" noises are very very annoying.

Who the **** are you to decide what is "pleasant" sounding? Yet again, every argument against Dumbstep I have seen comes down to a matter of "I don't like it therefore you're a bad person for thinking the opposite!"

People have different tastes and opinions than you do. get the **** over it. I absolutely despise of dethmetul and yet you don't see me ranting about how bad it is or how it takes no skill to make.

>inb4 "yeah well metal is good and dubstep is bad so your argument is invalid xd"

He asked me to discuss this, so I did. If the thread was called "dubstep" and not "arguing about dubstep," then I wouldn't come in here and argue about it.  I don't care for death metal either, just in case you were presuming I did; I don't like any kind of music that feels like an assault.  I gave arguments that were different from the original post, and more supported than just "I don't like this" and pointed out a glaring logical fallacy in TX's arguments. tl;dr version, what is it that I did wrong exactly?