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Robot Arena Matches => Challenge Board => Topic started by: KingofKings696 on April 03, 2016, 12:36:07 PM

Title: KingofKings696 vs The Red Blur (KingofKings696 Wins)
Post by: KingofKings696 on April 03, 2016, 12:36:07 PM
Game Version: DSL2.2
Bot weight: MW
Bot restrictions: No popups and no SNS
Contest type: BATTLE best of 3
Arena: Ring Arena
Host will be Geice
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: 09090901 on April 04, 2016, 08:56:45 PM
ok

i've got kingofkings bot, but idk what this match is even supposed to be. like is this IRL, standard or what? cause kingofkings bot is barely DSL-S realistic imo, and it has a bfe'd burst arc.

if someone could hook me up on what this challenge is supposed to be then let me know.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: yugitom on April 05, 2016, 04:28:19 AM
Is having a bfe'd burst arc even allowed? Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of bfe is okay.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: 09090901 on April 05, 2016, 04:33:40 AM
redbud and kok are re-clarifying the rules, so hopefully everything will get sorted out soon
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Naryar on April 05, 2016, 04:35:40 AM
Is having a bfe'd burst arc even allowed? Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of bfe is okay.

Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of BFE is banned as well, to be honest.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: yugitom on April 05, 2016, 04:37:30 AM
Is having a bfe'd burst arc even allowed? Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of bfe is okay.

Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of BFE is banned as well, to be honest.
Well, that's the thing, there always has to be an assumption. I always believed that the assumption for bfe and any other glitches is for them to be banned.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Naryar on April 05, 2016, 04:43:08 AM
Is having a bfe'd burst arc even allowed? Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of bfe is okay.

Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of BFE is banned as well, to be honest.
Well, that's the thing, there always has to be an assumption. I always believed that the assumption for bfe and any other glitches is for them to be banned.
With the thrackerzod wedges and this thing, I'm not assuming anything in challenge board anymore, unless someone puts "standard ruleset" or something like that like in my challenge with Madman.

As I read the rules, it's DSL 2.2 MW, best 2 out of 3, no popups or SnS, and anything goes other than those rules. So I assumed it was just that.

Of course, OP is new so he doesn't know very well the rules of contests and tournaments. So it's good it's being clarified.

I'm tempted to make a thread about assumptions, rules as written, and rules as intended in the challenge board, so it hopefully clarifies stuff.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: yugitom on April 05, 2016, 05:24:13 AM
Is having a bfe'd burst arc even allowed? Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of bfe is okay.

Nothing is stated in the OP that says the use of BFE is banned as well, to be honest.
Well, that's the thing, there always has to be an assumption. I always believed that the assumption for bfe and any other glitches is for them to be banned.
With the thrackerzod wedges and this thing, I'm not assuming anything in challenge board anymore, unless someone puts "standard ruleset" or something like that like in my challenge with Madman.

As I read the rules, it's DSL 2.2 MW, best 2 out of 3, no popups or SnS, and anything goes other than those rules. So I assumed it was just that.

Of course, OP is new so he doesn't know very well the rules of contests and tournaments. So it's good it's being clarified.

I'm tempted to make a thread about assumptions, rules as written, and rules as intended in the challenge board, so it hopefully clarifies stuff.
I have actually already contacted Dragonfire about this a while back and he has some amendments to the rules ready to go, he just told me he'd implement them once he has the time.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: KingofKings696 on April 05, 2016, 11:50:11 AM
We clarified rules they are DSL-S and NO glitches to include BFE for this round otherwise everything else is the same as previously stated, I apologize for any confusion. Also I have my bot in.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: 09090901 on April 07, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dq3urFzp_k&feature=youtu.be# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dq3urFzp_k&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: yugitom on April 07, 2016, 05:42:29 PM
The only way that the RA2 Wiki seems to seemingly define a difference between a popup and a hammer is a popup uses a short extender and strikes using a weapon that's concealed within the chassis. A hammer uses an extender of 60cm or longer and strikes down. I think KoK's robot is more of a hammer than a popup, by definition.

In popup, it also mentions that they use short hammers to 'gut-rip their (the opposing robot's) underside'. The way in which KoK's robot went about destroying TRB's was by hitting the top of the robot (most of the time.)
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on April 07, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
I think his bot's fine. It acts more like a hammer.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: 09090901 on April 07, 2016, 05:44:00 PM
The only way that the RA2 Wiki seems to seemingly define a difference between a popup and a hammer is a popup uses a short extender and strikes from a weapon that's concealed within the chassis. A hammer uses an extender of 60cm or longer and strikes down. I think KoK's robot is more of a hammer than a popup, by definition.

In popup, it also mentions that they use short hammers to 'gut-rip their (the opposing robot's) underside'. The way in which KoK's robot went about destroying TRB's was by hitting the top of the robot (most of the time.)
I agree with this, the only reason that I posted the disclaimer is because there were a few people who felt otherwise when he posted it in his showcase.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Naryar on April 07, 2016, 06:34:21 PM
lol, that's not a popup... that's a special kind of hammer. A bit like my Triple Seven except mine was more popup than this one. I would call it wedged hammer, but there would be some confusion with a simple hammer with component wedges.

flipping hammer ? not to be confused with flipper/hammer (which has two different weapon setups)
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Thrackerzod on April 07, 2016, 06:36:07 PM
flipping hammer ? not to be confused with flipper/hammer (which has two different weapon setups)

Just call it a "flammer".  No confusion there.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: 09090901 on April 07, 2016, 06:36:27 PM
how about we just call it a hammer?
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: KingofKings696 on April 07, 2016, 06:59:07 PM
Thank you for the match The Red Blur. To be honest I figured you  would make something designed to counter my design as I had accidentally sent you my design instead of to Geice. I hope to do this again sometime. If you are ever interested let me know and we can do another match.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: The Red Blur on April 07, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
Thank you for the match The Red Blur. To be honest I figured you  would make something designed to counter my design as I had accidentally sent you my design instead of to Geice. I hope to do this again sometime. If you are ever interested let me know and we can do another match.

Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: 09090901 on April 07, 2016, 07:16:19 PM
Thank you for the match The Red Blur. To be honest I figured you  would make something designed to counter my design as I had accidentally sent you my design instead of to Geice. I hope to do this again sometime. If you are ever interested let me know and we can do another match.

yeah i totally sabotaged your bot. i couldn't stand to see your bot win so i made deal with kingofkings to fix the match. yeah ya caught me, i admit it.

or maybe you're just sh** at building, who knows.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Bobyasianboy on April 07, 2016, 07:25:09 PM
Thank you for the match The Red Blur. To be honest I figured you  would make something designed to counter my design as I had accidentally sent you my design instead of to Geice. I hope to do this again sometime. If you are ever interested let me know and we can do another match.

Maybe if you posted bots to your showcase and learned how to improve you could actually make a competent bot instead of making excuses all the time.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Reier on April 07, 2016, 07:28:03 PM
and thats why you use wedges gents
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: The Red Blur on April 07, 2016, 08:06:21 PM
Thank you for the match The Red Blur. To be honest I figured you  would make something designed to counter my design as I had accidentally sent you my design instead of to Geice. I hope to do this again sometime. If you are ever interested let me know and we can do another match.

yeah i totally sabotaged your bot. i couldn't stand to see your bot win so i made deal with kingofkings to fix the match. yeah ya caught me, i admit it.

or maybe you're just sh** at building, who knows.

I didn't say that, Geice. Don't assume that Im trying to say something nasty. To be honest, it's probably my fault. I probably forgot something, so, I'll take a look at the bot I sent next chance I get. Sorry if it seemed like I was trying to say I was sabotaged, I really didn't mean that.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2016, 08:40:42 PM

consider:

Not using plastic 1
Not using chicken drills
Not having a hammer with no trapping device
Not having 1 hammer that destabilizes the whole bot when it fires
Not having no defense on your bot at all
Not having your wheels halfway along your already unstable bot
Not having a wedge
Not crying and implying foul play or bs when you get rekt

ggwp kingofkings, pretty neat bot there


To be honest, it's probably my fault.
probably.

You say this as though there's a possibility that it was someone else's fault.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: The Red Blur on April 08, 2016, 03:03:25 AM
Can you not read, Badger? I clearly said that I was not trying to imply foul play. Also, probably is the exact choice of words Im sticking with, as there is a chance, albeit small, that it was not an issue with the bot, rather, something else. Please, Badger, dont try to start a flame war.

Look, KoK and I are organising a rematch as we speak. Can this thread be closed before it pisses me off so much and O get caught in another flame war?
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: 09090901 on April 08, 2016, 04:03:09 AM
Honestly it's pretty BS that I had to waste my time to record and edit this match, just for you to call it void because you didn't like the results . Way to waste my time bro.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Naryar on April 08, 2016, 04:27:57 AM
lol... there was no way your bot would win mostly due to KoK having a wedge, frontal armor and far superior mobility and stability. only win you could have got was a WBP by deweapon, even then it would be a stretch due to your bot being manhandled the whole time.

Also, judging from the sounds it's using a vdma burst which is a very strong burst.

Also i like when you say "don't start a flame war" but then sneakily imply three times it was "something else" than your bot (we don't know what you implied but hey, people draw their own conclusions when you are not clear on your intent), when it's very clearly due to poor design on your part.

and then you go and do "another match" when there was visibly no problem with it at all, but the only real issue is that your pride was wounded.

pride is a thing. i have issues with it sometimes. but don't let it go to your head.






Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: The Red Blur on April 08, 2016, 04:45:44 AM
I didn't say it was void. I'm guessing Naryar gave me that warning for "flaming", when I clearly didnot want a flame war. You know what? I admit, I was a little bit salty for losing, but that doesn't mean that I'm trying to blame someone else. I am blaming myself, and, frankly, this whole ganging up on me and telling me what I mean by saying something is, frankly, childish and rude. I'm sorry that this challenge match had to end this way KoK.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Naryar on April 08, 2016, 05:06:12 AM
... You can't even SEE your own offensive posts, do you ?

Although, I'll say one thing. Something definitely odd happened with my bot. It took far too little damage to be completely and utterly destroyed...

not offensive by itself but could be easily misunderstood as "the host cheated". Which, guess what, it was misunderstood at.

Can you not read, Badger?

nice little offensive statement. also, it's not a question of reading, it's a question of interpreting what you read.

Please, Badger, dont try to start a flame war.

he is not starting a flame war. he is stating in exact words why your bot lost.

arguments =/= flame wars.

telling me what I mean by saying something is, frankly, childish and rude.

by that statement, it would mean that the comment before this one was childish and rude.

this whole ganging up on me and telling me what I mean by saying something is, frankly, childish and rude.

and then you continue to post more inflamatory material

I'm guessing Naryar gave me that warning for "flaming", when I clearly didnot want a flame war.

but that's what happened, AND as a result of your posts, even if there was mostly misunderstandings.

now i want no more inflamatory material in this thread, and that goes foreveryone. arguing is fine, no more flaming.
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: The Red Blur on April 08, 2016, 05:10:32 AM
Then why are you not warning everyone else, considering they were just as inflammatory?
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Badnik96 on April 08, 2016, 05:26:58 AM
what else could that post have implied

it seems like you're backpedaling a lot here tbqh, just accept your loss, learn from it and move on. is it that hard?
Title: Re: KingofKings vs The Red Blur
Post by: Naryar on April 08, 2016, 06:03:16 AM
I fail to see anything inflamatory in badger's posts. Geice, admittedly, was quite salty, but then it was only because he hosted the match, and then you appear to claim foul play/cheating AND then call "another match", as if this one didn't mattered.