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Robot Arena Matches => Challenge Board => Topic started by: Dragonfire on December 04, 2017, 11:20:50 AM

Title: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dragonfire on December 04, 2017, 11:20:50 AM
You have until 18th December 1730 UTC to send me a bot if you wish to compete. Entries closed.

Belt holder: Dreamcast

Meta: DSL-S
Weight class: MW
Arena: School yard

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Results
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: BDBlu on December 04, 2017, 11:33:40 AM
So... we're waiting for another year for Dream to defend his belt?
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dark-Al on December 04, 2017, 11:37:53 AM
Sound like fun to have this month challenge belt that doesn't involve IRL building. I'll consider entering.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Philippa on December 04, 2017, 11:38:20 AM
18st
:really_makes_you_think:
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dark-Al on December 04, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
I forgot to add one last point. Shouldn't there be a limit of how many parts like Mircovore/Mechavore disc, Frenzy Hammers, Minion discs or Overkill blades that a user can have on their bot, to prevent them from spamming that type of weapon?
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dragonfire on December 04, 2017, 12:43:22 PM
18st
:really_makes_you_think:

Thanks, fixed.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: kix on December 05, 2017, 12:16:43 AM
You have until 18th November 1730 UTC]
Posted yesterday... So we are going back to the past?
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Asbestosstar on December 05, 2017, 12:27:46 AM
He is gonna take you back to the past.....to play the sh**y games that suck ass.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dragonfire on December 05, 2017, 02:04:04 AM
You have until 18th November 1730 UTC]
Posted yesterday... So we are going back to the past?

Thanks, fixed… again  :facepalm:.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: NeonCalypso on December 05, 2017, 09:24:50 PM
Am I still banned from taking the challenge belt?
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: 09090901 on December 05, 2017, 09:41:57 PM
Am I still banned from taking the challenge belt?
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To qualify to be a contender, you must have had a non-disqualified challenge board battle in the past 3 calendar months from the current month e.g, if it is October, then July 1st would be the cut-off date. Potential contenders will be listed in the Spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dragonfire on December 18, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
Entries now closed. Bracket:
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Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Philippa on December 18, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
Oh me, oh my.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: kix on December 18, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
Wow, that's alot of enteries!
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dreamcast on December 18, 2017, 01:38:25 PM
Oh me, oh my.

:laughing
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Hoppin on December 18, 2017, 02:07:15 PM
really makes you question if the challenge belt is worth
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: 09090901 on December 18, 2017, 03:39:08 PM
Wow,  that's twice the turnout from what we got last month. Great job gamers!

again, the 3 month rule probably should be changed considering there were a few who had both built for this.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dreamcast on December 18, 2017, 04:15:51 PM
really makes you question if the challenge belt is worth

P: System has problems
C: Therefore, any validity in the system is not present.

I don't follow, elaborate.

Edit: missing words
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Hoppin on December 18, 2017, 04:20:32 PM
really makes you question if the challenge belt is worth

P: System has problems
C: Therefore, any validity of the system

I don't follow, elaborate.

Well all this organisation and controversy to have only 3 entries. 2 of which are yourself other the past 2 months. It just seems like it has very little to offer to the community for all the hassle that was put towards it.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dreamcast on December 18, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
Well all this organisation and controversy to have only 3 entries. 2 of which are yourself other the past 2 months. It just seems like it has very little to offer to the community for all the hassle that was put towards it.

The system has been ran in it's current state twice with poor results each time. However, I find it a bad idea to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Hoppin on December 18, 2017, 04:27:44 PM
Well all this organisation and controversy to have only 3 entries. 2 of which are yourself other the past 2 months. It just seems like it has very little to offer to the community for all the hassle that was put towards it.

The system has been ran in it's current state twice with poor results each time. However, I find it a bad idea to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I agree. I personally feel that a more formalised title system that was previously used would've been a better idea. As players were queuing up for that.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dreamcast on December 18, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
I agree. I personally feel that a more formalised title system that was previously used would've been a better idea. As players were queuing up for that.

That little queue for the DSL-HW title came from ava’s E-Drama and it’s fallout IMO. Said drama is now long gone*.

Besides, a majority of interested users voted against the old system (10 against, 2 for, with 7 in favor of simplification), we'd probably be seeing more of the same. But I’d have multiple titles instead of one. Right now, the best thing to do is propose repairs to this system and test them. If the solutions fail, seek new systems.

*Unless I win again and some "lovely people" form a “BTFO Dreamcast Squad.”
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Hoppin on December 18, 2017, 04:43:57 PM
I agree. I personally feel that a more formalised title system that was previously used would've been a better idea. As players were queuing up for that.

That little queue for the DSL-HW title came from ava’s E-Drama and it’s fallout IMO. Said drama is now long gone*.

Besides, a majority of interested users voted against the old system (10 against, 2 for, with 7 in favor of simplification), we'd probably be seeing more of the same. But I’d have multiple titles instead of one. Right now, the best thing to do is propose repairs to this system and test them. If the solutions fail, seek new systems.

*Unless I win again and some "lovely people" form a “BTFO Dreamcast Squad.”

That was due to the lack of IRL options. If there was a IRL choice I certainly believe people will be happy to partake
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dreamcast on December 18, 2017, 05:09:31 PM
That was due to the lack of IRL options. If there was a IRL choice I certainly believe people will be happy to partake

That a good idea but I think it won't work because nobody wants to cultivate a one-horse show. Having an IRL-wing for everything seems to only ever encourage this. Look at Bajur's International Wars tournament and count the amount of IRL entrants who showed zero interest in anything else. One might say this is justifiable IRL has is greatly diverged from DSL-S or stock. This gap would be used to explain why they are separate. I’d say they don't have any difference when you're building for combat (Ava’s butt-ugly Challenge Belt robots show this). Even if the old traditional styles and DSL-IRL had some unmanageable contrast, that doesn’t matter as people still built in Stock and DSL-S when they had significant differences.

Until DSL-IRL can be properly integrated with Ra2, I don't predict intermingling will be common.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Hoppin on December 18, 2017, 05:20:34 PM
That was due to the lack of IRL options. If there was a IRL choice I certainly believe people will be happy to partake

That a good idea but I think it won't work because nobody wants to cultivate a one-horse show. Having an IRL-wing for everything seems to only ever encourage this. Look at Bajur's International Wars tournament and count the amount of IRL entrants who showed zero interest in anything else. One might say this is justifiable IRL has is greatly diverged from DSL-S or stock. This gap would be used to explain why they are separate. I’d say they don't have any difference when you're building for combat (Ava’s butt-ugly Challenge Belt robots show this). Even if the old traditional styles and DSL-IRL had some unmanageable contrast, that doesn’t matter as people still built in Stock and DSL-S when they had significant differences.

Until DSL-IRL can be properly integrated with Ra2, I don't predict intermingling will be common.

I understand that the gap in popularity between can lead to a wide range of entrants between metas, I don't believe that that is a reason to disallow it. I see that as counter productive to the community.

As far as the rules for IRL, I agree that due to the subjective nature of the meta it would be difficult to create rules to maintain entrants. However, apart from a few outsiders I often don't see ultra try-hard bots as the IRL player base seems to be rather self-moderating. As long as you can contain the blatant abuse of OP parts I think having an IRL section of this would be perfectly fine, see GTMCS2's IRL HW division as an example.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dreamcast on December 18, 2017, 05:32:18 PM
Firstly let me say it’s nice to have a conversation on this forum (about a hot topic) that isn’t an argument for once.

As far as the rules for IRL, I agree that due to the subjective nature of the meta it would be difficult to create rules to maintain entrants. However, apart from a few outsiders I often don't see ultra try-hard bots as the IRL player base seems to be rather self-moderating.
You won’t see that when people start going for the gold on a regular basis. It'll mutate fast, albeit not in a instant. That or all of the combat efficient idea will get banned and so sometimes you won't even be able to send fair versions of those bots, discouraging innovation and new ideas in the process.

As long as you can contain the blatant abuse of OP parts I think having an IRL section of this would be perfectly fine, see GTMCS2's IRL HW division as an example.
That hasn’t been finished yet. That hasn’t even been started yet.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Hoppin on December 18, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
Firstly let me say it’s nice to have a conversation on this forum (about a hot topic) that isn’t an argument for once.

As far as the rules for IRL, I agree that due to the subjective nature of the meta it would be difficult to create rules to maintain entrants. However, apart from a few outsiders I often don't see ultra try-hard bots as the IRL player base seems to be rather self-moderating.
You won’t see that when people start going for the gold on a regular basis. It'll mutate fast, albeit not in a instant. That or all of the combat efficient idea will get banned and so sometimes you won't even be able to send fair versions of those bots, discouraging innovation and new ideas in the process.

As long as you can contain the blatant abuse of OP parts I think having an IRL section of this would be perfectly fine, see GTMCS2's IRL HW division as an example.
That hasn’t been finished yet. That hasn’t even been started yet.

I disagree with the first statement as firstly, the host can regulate the borderline and objectively try-hard robots that are entered. Hence why I also brought up GTMCS2 as I feel that Badnik has created a solid set of rules to encompass this. And in regards to innovation and new ideas, I believe that players often find work arounds to limitations imposed on them, which intern can result in creative designs and new ideas.
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dragonfire on December 23, 2017, 09:53:46 AM
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Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Philippa on December 23, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
Title: Re: Challenge Belt - December 2017
Post by: Dreamcast on December 23, 2017, 12:30:01 PM