Tricycle Takedown SBV

[Hi5er]

His bot has smartzones, but it's so underpowered that it can't properly swing the hammers.

oh dear!

[R01]

They're team 1 and the first four bots of team 2.  My idea was that you could just take the AI folder out of your copy of RA2 and paste in the AI folder I provided, then switch the folders back whenever you were done with the Tricycle Takedown bots.

Speaking of which, I should record something.

Well I did just that just now and it kept crashing whenever I launched a match... Something must be slightly tweaked in the versions I have that doesn't like your AI folder for whatever reason.

Either way, it's half past midnight here and I'm giving up for now.

Yep you need the smartzones, had the same problems trying to open up Redace's bot when he uploaded it after the tournament. Let me save you the trouble of searching the downloads page(it's under custom components) and link it here: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=237
To install put the stuff from the Smart Zones V.3 folder into components. Not sure if you need Smartzone.cfz or the setting in the .cfg file(I remember adding it but now it's gone?!) also get whatever makes Starcore V3's UI have 6 instead of 3 bots, it's needed.

About the bonus battles:

Man Conundrum's wedges can't be stopped by anything, and the fact that Hi5 started recently(at least with stock, seems to have done Dsl bots a long time ago, returning member?) makes this even more surprising. His bots look very similar to other bots that I've seen before(not sure if it's neglected waterbug) Hoping to see Conundrum 3, 4 and 5 in his showcase soon.
Too bad that Tastes like Spakle(by the way, was that supposed to be Sparkle?) got behind it, at least Sealion Hammersmith(where the are you guys getting those names?) got another win. LNA is a really sad bot, it is built well however it only got torn apart in most of it's battles that it was in.

Ah the joke rumble, from the first look I expected Weaponized Reinterverter to have stacked Zteks but those are only chicken drills. A bit surprised that I'm not serious at all can't drive upside down, but looks like Weaponized Reinterverter would've been the only one to win this because of damaging weapons, thing sure havoked a lot near the end of the match.

Didn't expect more rumbles, nice. Now it was clear that it would either be Trikilla or I'm not at all serious, happy with the result even if the havok almost ruined the match.

What the **** I lost three time?!

Like Genocide said, it might be because your weapons aren't moving in battles.

As they're on burst motors, you probably need to look into smartzones bro 

His bot has smartzones, but it's so underpowered that it can't properly swing the hammers.

OH so that's what was going on, I thought the hammers might swing in very odd ways. Think I've seen it attack with one of the side hammers once during the normal tournament, did do a few more attacks in the rumble especially against Trikilla where all hammers fired. How should the battery to ddt2 rate be anyways?

Kinda forgot to mention it before, but I did read the rules for this, single elmination sure makes thing quicker and avoids long boring matches, so I can agree with that(maybe if you had direct elimination without losers bracket this wouldn't be such an issue, at least not after the first round?) looking forward to more hosted tournaments from you.

[Hi5er]

Appreciate the direct link bud.

I'll see if I can upload a couple matches tonight...

As for the videos

Genuinely annoyed at Tastes like Sparkle there lol... Conundrum has really exceeded my expectations here, that wedge glides straight under everything!

It felt like Sparkle was mad at Conundrum for wailing on him for the opening half and as soon as the back was turned, BAM. Literally.

On a side note, I may go down in your estimations here, but Stock was my go to version of choice. I first joined the forums around 2010, but first played the game when I was around 14 ('2006ish I think?), but this is my first time playing competitively and actually fighting another bot from fellow forum users.

[R01]

Appreciate the direct link bud.

I'll see if I can upload a couple matches tonight...

As for the videos

Genuinely annoyed at Tastes like Sparkle there lol... Conundrum has really exceeded my expectations here, that wedge glides straight under everything!

It felt like Sparkle was mad at Conundrum for wailing on him for the opening half and as soon as the back was turned, BAM. Literally.

On a side note, I may go down in your estimations here, but Stock was my go to version of choice. I first joined the forums around 2010, but first played the game when I was around 14 ('2006ish I think?), but this is my first time playing competitively and actually fighting another bot from fellow forum users.

RA2 wiki as well as most fans "back defense is useless, AI's never attack the back of others" Condrum V7 with a drum that hits the back as well? Oh well it was just a bonus match, also Sparkle(guess it's mistyped in the splash) almost lost to Papyrus Bike .

[Hi5er]

RA2 wiki as well as most fans "back defense is useless, AI's never attack the back of others" Condrum V7 with a drum that hits the back as well? Oh well it was just a bonus match, also Sparkle(guess it's mistyped in the splash) almost lost to Papyrus Bike .

Looks like i'm mounting the drum on a burst motor next time and making a Drum/Axe Hybrid that covers both the front and the back 

Anyway, managed to get a few videos done. For all that care, please enjoy the below! Haven't used Movie Maker since I was like 10 lol...

[R01]

You using Win7's movie maker or higher? Dunno what settings you used but if you export for HD display you get the best quality(sound sounds a bit lower quality than usual in your upload, but it's only barely noticeable, still good quality otherwise)

Man that drum, if a wedge gets under that it will be just shredded away. Guess the only way to get under it would be via the side. Shows how good the bot is. Hoping to see some more matches of F.I.V.E.S

Am I the only one that notices that everyone writes Tastes like Sparkle while the bot doesn't seem to have that in the name? :P

[Thrackerzod]

Hey thanks!  I wasn't sure anyone would actually do any videos.  Would you mind if I added these to the OP?

Conundrum really wrecked in those fights.  You must have given one of a sacrifice to the wedge gods.

Am I the only one that notices that everyone writes Tastes like Sparkle while the bot doesn't seem to have that in the name? :P

The bot's name, in game, is "Tastes like spakle", and I've tried to remember to stick to that throughout the tournament.

Kinda forgot to mention it before, but I did read the rules for this, single elmination sure makes thing quicker and avoids long boring matches, so I can agree with that(maybe if you had direct elimination without losers bracket this wouldn't be such an issue, at least not after the first round?) looking forward to more hosted tournaments from you.

I like to either do best of 3 matches or double elimination.  Single elimination + best of 1 feels too short and kinda unfair to people who get unlucky, and Double elimination + best of 3 can start to drag IMO.

[R01]

Hey thanks!  I wasn't sure anyone would actually do any videos.  Would you mind if I added these to the OP?

Conundrum really wrecked in those fights.  You must have given one of a sacrifice to the wedge gods.

Am I the only one that notices that everyone writes Tastes like Sparkle while the bot doesn't seem to have that in the name? :P

The bot's name, in game, is "Tastes like spakle", and I've tried to remember to stick to that throughout the tournament.

Kinda forgot to mention it before, but I did read the rules for this, single elmination sure makes thing quicker and avoids long boring matches, so I can agree with that(maybe if you had direct elimination without losers bracket this wouldn't be such an issue, at least not after the first round?) looking forward to more hosted tournaments from you.

I like to either do best of 3 matches or double elimination.  Single elimination + best of 1 feels too short and kinda unfair to people who get unlucky, and Double elimination + best of 3 can start to drag IMO.

I planned on doing a few but since I didn't have fitting soundtrack and no way to do the YT splashes(no idea how you get thumbnails now, think you need to confirm your account with a phone number? not going to happen) wasn't sure if it would be a good idea, might do them sometime soon or on the weekends.

Yeah you got the names right, everyone else(I almost did that as well :P) calls it Sparkle, makes me wonder if the creator made a typo.

Double elimination(going to 3 rounds if each bot gets a win) is probably the best, 3 matches shows if the bot possibly had a chance(higher probabilty of a successful fight), but like you said it drags on.

[Hi5er]

Hey thanks!  I wasn't sure anyone would actually do any videos.  Would you mind if I added these to the OP?

Feel free bud :)

I intend to host my own tournaments at some point so it was a good opportunity to download and get acquainted with all the relevant software.

The drum is the secret to the wedgyness... I feel like a lot of us know how to create the "most efficient" wedge, so a lot of bots tend to lock wedges nowdays. I don't think Conundrum has a better wedge than Sealion or Late Night Aberration, but when the bots wedge lock the drum just grinds away at the opposing wedge until it's gone and then Conundrum can swoop under easily for the win. I definitely think drum style weapons should see more use.

Double elimination(going to 3 rounds if each bot gets a win) is probably the best, 3 matches shows if the bot possibly had a chance(higher probabilty of a successful fight), but like you said it drags on.

I agree, single round, double elimination feels balanced. Single round on it's own gives way for flukes and I tend to agree that best of 3 AND double elimination could drag, unless it was a high scale tournament.


And as a final side note, the thumbnails in my above videos youtube just created for me and you're right, you have to verify your account with them, but when you upload a video it gives you a choice of 3 random stills, the trick is to try and pick one that doesn't give the result away

[R01]

Looks like i'm mounting the drum on a burst motor next time and making a Drum/Axe Hybrid that covers both the front and the back 

Return of Drumbledore? Also I might have found a way to get Snapper II's more stable again.

The drum is the secret to the wedgyness... I feel like a lot of us know how to create the "most efficient" wedge, so a lot of bots tend to lock wedges nowdays. I don't think Conundrum has a better wedge than Sealion or Late Night Aberration, but when the bots wedge lock the drum just grinds away at the opposing wedge until it's gone and then Conundrum can swoop under easily for the win. I definitely think drum style weapons should see more use.

And as a final side note, the thumbnails in my above videos youtube just created for me and you're right, you have to verify your account with them, but when you upload a video it gives you a choice of 3 random stills, the trick is to try and pick one that doesn't give the result away

Is it really that? Technically if something gets under the drum it shouldn't instantly be removed, instead the other bot should keep on pushing it's wedge under the other, however something under the drum keeps it there(bot not having enough speed to push?) after that it just gets ripped off and is gone.

Best Wedges? I only know about the "place it a bit below the chassis" trick, people say that DDT's are the best, yet I see Snapper 2's used and II's(which are apparently the worst but very good if put far back?). There's also been discussion about normal vs Emergency wedges(with normal being better) but I think a lot of that depends on how they're used.

Yeah I knew about that, back in the day it had 5-8 selections, also thought that google+ now required other stuff to confirm your YT account.

[Thrackerzod]

Here's a couple more suggestions I liked:





Anyway, I think I'm about done with this tournament.  Anyone interested in an awards thread?

[botomatic1000]

that would be nice.

[R01]

Yeah, think this is finished, most of the matches that I wanted to see were done and all my talk probably dragged this on way longer than it should have. Looking forward to your next tournament.

[Thrackerzod]

all my talk probably dragged this on way longer than it should have.

On the contrary, I'm glad my tournament could spark discussion!

Anyway, awards: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=19158