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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2014, 11:31:21 AM »
Thinking about reducing Major League Tournament Time to 6 months (for ones that start in the future, not gonna cut it down for current ones :P). What do people think?
Why though? If I may ask.



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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2014, 11:39:21 AM »
There have been occasions - myself included - where tournaments haven't been completed until near the end of the period... by which time, the entrants have either moved on or are uninterested in the tournament. Even BattleBots doesn't take a year.
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2014, 11:42:46 AM »
Well, I get what you're saying, but it mostly also depends on how long the signups stage lasts and how many spots are there to fill.



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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2014, 11:45:50 AM »
Well, as has been suggested before, we could start timing tournaments from when signups end. I'd be tempted to drop Entry Level tournaments down to 2 months in this case and maybe Major to 4?
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #84 on: June 08, 2014, 11:48:41 AM »
Well, as has been suggested before, we could start timing tournaments from when signups end. I'd be tempted to drop Entry Level tournaments down to 2 months in this case and maybe Major to 4?
That sounds pretty reasonable.  :bigsmile:



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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2014, 11:50:07 AM »
nah, not 6, that would limit massive tourneys and stuff like that. 10 if you wanted to

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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #86 on: June 08, 2014, 11:51:25 AM »
If you did just 1 video a day for 10 months, that's what, 300 videos? Seems a bit much to me.
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #87 on: June 08, 2014, 11:51:47 AM »
Well, as has been suggested before, we could start timing tournaments from when signups end.
I like this. This way, there could never be another original Mutations, where the host runs out of time simply because there aren't enough entries after three months.

Also I agree with not reducing the time limit for major league tournaments.
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2014, 11:59:26 AM »
Why is reducing the time limit a bad thing? It should mean that more tournaments are completed, and they should be completed faster so that interest is kept. If people can't complete a tourney in the suggested 4 months, then they shouldn't be hosting one imo.


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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #89 on: June 08, 2014, 12:01:28 PM »
Look at BattleBots 9 after all, that is absolutely motoring along and is one of, if not the, largest tournament ever hosted.
Gaz's points are exactly what I'm trying to say. Interest is kept and more tournaments are run. Win-win, I think :D
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #90 on: June 08, 2014, 12:27:16 PM »
imo you should keep the minor deadline as-is, and drop major down to four months.
Minors usually will run into trouble or won't work as productively, while majors who have more to work on will usually be more productive unless people are lazy and abandon their project partway through.
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #91 on: June 08, 2014, 12:39:24 PM »
what about the silly soul who decides to run an UHW tourney?

We know how those tend to go :P

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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #92 on: June 08, 2014, 01:57:00 PM »
If you did just 1 video a day for 10 months, that's what, 300 videos? Seems a bit much to me.
uhhh but what if round robin? :dumb)

of course if i had it my way, there would be no time limit, but of course id get flamed for suggesting that

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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #93 on: June 08, 2014, 02:14:18 PM »
Okay.
How about Signups and Videos being timed separately.
Signups for both classes get a 3 Month limit - if this expires without moving forward, the tournament is cancelled and a 1 month ban is incurred, but there is no host score penalty.
Videos have a separate timing, Minor League gets 2 months for videos and Major League gets 4, which is extendable in certain circumstances (eg massive, like BattleBots). Ban for these lapsing will be the same as before, 3 months and a host point.
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #94 on: June 08, 2014, 02:16:25 PM »
Okay.
How about Signups and Videos being timed separately.
Signups for both classes get a 3 Month limit - if this expires without moving forward, the tournament is cancelled and a 1 month ban is incurred, but there is no host score penalty.
Videos have a separate timing, Minor League gets 2 months for videos and Major League gets 4, which is extendable in certain circumstances (eg massive, like BattleBots). Ban for these lapsing will be the same as before, 3 months and a host point.

I don't think the host should be banned if they don't get enough entries to move the tournament forward, personally.


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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #95 on: June 08, 2014, 02:17:07 PM »
I agree, but there's no way to tell if someone hasn't got enough entries or if they're lying about not having enough entries and just don't want to proceed :P
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #96 on: June 08, 2014, 02:19:24 PM »
Fair enough, I think those rules are looking a lot better :3


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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #97 on: June 08, 2014, 02:29:04 PM »
I agree, but there's no way to tell if someone hasn't got enough entries or if they're lying about not having enough entries and just don't want to proceed :P
Well, people who sent in entries could complain.

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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #98 on: June 08, 2014, 02:30:59 PM »
That... is something really obvious that I didn't consider. Yeah, that ban can be removed then. Not that we should have any entry level tournaments failing to get entries using the 50% entry poll.
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #99 on: June 08, 2014, 02:40:39 PM »
I don't think the host should be banned if they don't get enough entries to move the tournament forward, personally.
Literally what are you talking about.

There have been tournaments that recieved a grand total of 4 entries but have still gone through and finished their tournies, cases in point (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=13652.0 and https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=14291.0). There's no excuse not to finish a tourney because "hurf durf i dont have enough entries so i give up".
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