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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2013, 05:16:07 PM »
Wow, I was just stating my opinion. Why does that get me downrepped.
There is a difference between stating an opinion and being a dick about it.


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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2013, 05:58:30 PM »
TBH I don't like the interest poll. While we've had a few tourney flops in the past (Wolfsbane's Twisted Metal tourney and Lightning S' two tourneys, where half the entries were byebots)
to be fair, his tourneys werent actually failures. those just suffered from a lack of entries.

and really, the number of tourneys required to become major league should be reduced to 1 instead of 3 IMO. i dont see how 3 tourneys proves your worth as a host any more than 1 does. like it shows that you can at least AI, make a basic splash, use FRAPS/another screen recorder and then paste the matches onto youtube.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2013, 06:04:21 PM »
Wow, I was just stating my opinion. Why does that get me downrepped.
There is a difference between stating an opinion and being a dick about it.
How was I being a d*** about it?
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2013, 06:17:14 PM »
How was I being a d*** about it?

If you want to, you can just do it yourself

If you don't know how that's being a dick then I suggest you take a look at yourself.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2013, 06:22:05 PM »
I still don't really understand. Craig has repping powers, so I was saying that since he has those powers, he can do that himself when a tournament ends if he chooses to.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2013, 09:39:30 PM »
TBH I don't like the interest poll. While we've had a few tourney flops in the past (Wolfsbane's Twisted Metal tourney and Lightning S' two tourneys, where half the entries were byebots)
to be fair, his tourneys werent actually failures. those just suffered from a lack of entries.

and really, the number of tourneys required to become major league should be reduced to 1 instead of 3 IMO. i dont see how 3 tourneys proves your worth as a host any more than 1 does. like it shows that you can at least AI, make a basic splash, use FRAPS/another screen recorder and then paste the matches onto youtube.


it`s 3 so people see that this host always does what he promisses. it might could be reduced to 2 but one doesn`t do it. I`m the best example for that, failing to pull of TA2

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2013, 08:19:25 AM »
Or maybe restrictions on new hosts could be progressively lowered up until they hit their 3 completed tournaments?
For example Tourney 1 and 2 stay where they are (16/32 bots respectively, with a 3 month limit) and then Tourney 3 could have a 48 restriction with 3 months, or something. This would help ease hosts into the ever more popular multi-bracket tournaments being run.

I still think there needs to be some way of gauging interest - or even a rule that states if a tournament doesn't get all the entries it should, the bracket size should be reduced if viable (eg 7 entries to a 16 bot tournament -> an 8 bot bracket) to prevent the byebot filled examples previously mentioned.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2013, 08:34:12 AM »
It should be the host's decision if they will lower the bracket size.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2013, 09:06:51 AM »
Okay, we could completely reverse it and have no interest polls at all and completely leave it up to the host to see if they think it's viable to proceed, and then just have the topic approved and moved to signups like a Major League tournament.
It could also be possible to add a clause where if the tournament doesn't receive half of the bracket size the host decided, the host can cancel incurring no penalty or a lower penalty than usual.
Again these are just ideas, I'm by no means suggesting that these will be implemented, just looking for reactions...
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2013, 09:10:26 AM »

It should be the host's decision if they will lower the bracket size.

^ Agreed, not that 7 bots in a 16 bracket will make much difference compared to 7 in an 8 bracket.


This is my proposed simplified format for Entry Level, with (perhaps temporary?) no limit 




Thats meeting the entry size and interest poll halfway rather then absolute

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2013, 09:13:57 AM »
I like that set, although I am hesitant about letting someone's first tournament be that large, as many don't realize the workload.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2013, 09:18:15 AM »
Joe, thats a good idea, but tourney 1 should be 24, 2 should be 32 and 3 should be 48

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2013, 09:21:39 AM »
Joe, thats a good idea, but tourney 1 should be 24, 2 should be 32 and 3 should be 48

You shouldn't really force a new host to have 48 on their third tournament. What if they can't handle it? They can choose between the three options.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2013, 09:23:39 AM »
Maximum :)

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2013, 09:25:49 AM »
I think he was suggesting a maximum number, even so, I think 48 may be too high. I like the 32 limit, with a lower limit for the first. And these aren't per bracket, this should be made clear in a new ruleset, this is a total number - so for example your second tourney couldn't have 32-bot-brackets for all LW/MW/HW.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2013, 09:27:42 AM »

Of course its open to tweaking and input :)

In the interest of simplifying I changed from 16+Wildcard on the first and 32+Wildcard on the second to just use 32 spaces as you see fit. This also makes Craaigs life easier not having to check up how many entry's its allowed


Honestly, Major league's will have trouble hitting 48 so its not much of a restriction.


Perhaps a 24 limit? either for a bye bracket or 16 plus a wild card? (or other creative uses hosts think up)


With that.. maybe 2 Entry Levels = A Major League? or is that pushing it too far?

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2013, 09:29:39 AM »
I like the forced bracket size idea.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2013, 09:36:17 AM »
Well no, its not exactly a forced bracket size...


Just set a max entry list size.. the host can do whatever they like for a format within that number..
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2013, 09:38:53 AM »
Forced bracket size, as in your tournament must have this many entries? That's an awful idea.
Imposing a maximum is sensible however, and I'm warming up to the idea of a universal Entry Level limit of 24, however this lower limit for 3 tournaments may put people off of running that many, but then 2 just feels a little low.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2013, 10:00:21 AM »
TBH I'll just put a limit on entries for tournament newcomers:

1st tourney-16 max
2nd- 32 max
3rd -48 max
and no limit from the fourth and so on. It's not like you can have 50 different entrants in a tourney anyways.

No minimum bracket size.