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Robot Arena Matches => Tournaments => Tournament Archives => Topic started by: ianh05 on March 24, 2009, 12:41:53 PM
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ok so i used to host some tournaments, but they take a lot of time and effort and i hosted a few in a short space of time and in the end just couldnt handle it. when i was hosting tournaments, the main thing i wanted to achieve was variety and giving you all entertainment.
with all that being said before i finished hosting tourneys i had an idea that didn't get off the ground due to my lack of concentration so here it is...
this tournament idea that i had has the entrants face a series of challenges to obtain points.
-2 on 1: your robot faces 2 robots at once that are a weight class below yours.
-beat the box: a beat the clock challenge.
-Tilt: a tabletop match against a strong well built rammer/wammer(wedged rammer).
-Survival: a 1 on 1 match against a powerful bot that is at least a weight class above yours.
-i would also consider a death match at the end with the 2 top bots to decide the winner.
points work like this, the best performing bot on a challenge gets... lets say 10 points (depends how many are entered) and last place gets 0.
seems like a pretty nice tourney that offers variety, i will have a video demo of all the types of challenges on youtube shortly (NOTE: i made the video some time ago and the robots you face in challenges would be submitted (hopefully) by an accomplished bot builder).
what do you all think?
Edit: video is up..
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=nquyvc&s=5 (http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=nquyvc&s=5)
mini Test tourney vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lu5AKWT8vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lu5AKWT8vc)
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ok so i used to host some tournaments, but they take a lot of time and effort and i hosted a few in a short space of time and in the end just couldnt handle it. when i was hosting tournaments, the main thing i wanted to achieve was variety and giving you all entertainment.
with all that being said before i finished hosting tourneys i had an idea that didn't get off the ground due to my lack of concentration so here it is...
this tournament idea that i had has the entrants face a series of challenges to obtain points.
-2 on 1: your robot faces 2 robots at once that are a weight class below yours.
-beat the box: a beat the clock challenge.
-Tilt: a tabletop match against a strong well built rammer/wammer(wedged rammer).
-Survival: a 1 on 1 match against a powerful bot that is a weight class above yours.
-i would also consider a death match at the end with the 2 top bots to decide the winner.
points work like this, the best performing bot on a challenge gets... lets say 10 points (depends how many are entered) and last place gets 0.
seems like a pretty nice tourney that offers variety, i will have a video demo of all the types of challenges on youtube shortly (NOTE: i made the video some time ago and the robots you face in challenges would be submitted (hopefully) by an accomplished bot builder).
what do you all think?
Interesting.
Suppose the whole "weight class above" or below thing means a decent higher/lower class bot?
Thinking of my DSL BW.. which can beat Ronin (the DSL replica HW) and such..
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this tournament would have to be stock to start i believe to test everyone's stock skills in a number of different ways. the original plan was stock lw.
i also made a mistake with the survival challenge info, the robot you face should be at least 1 weight class higher.. i had plans for the lws to face a hw to see who would last the longest :P
video should be up soon, and should explain the challenges better.
should also note that this kind of format requires 0 byes and any amount of bots could enter, plus everyone would see their bot compete in the same amount of challenges as all the others except the top 2 if the death match is included.
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So it's a series of challenges and the bot that performs and the best overall wins? It sounds pretty cool.
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How about a boss rush, you k'now, two LW's against a HW that has probably got some sort of weakness... EX: A rammer with large wheels, a Hammer with an exposed side...
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video is up, i had to use tinypic cause i was getting a message on youtube saying it was a duplicate video..
S32, not sure what you mean by that and no idea how that would work.
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not sure im going to enter this one, because of the failure of ARBBC.
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i went to continue ARBBC but the computer that i was hosting it on i think got formatted and everything was lost, the bots, arena and some of my better robots were also lost.
this is an idea i'm putting out there, i might get a small group to test it out. i don't think people should lose faith in me yet as i failed to complete 1 tournament O.o i also hosted another 3? and they all got completed.
also my AI skills aren't really that great, if someone could ai the bots and send them in a pack i shouldn't have a problem recording, uploading and posting the vids.
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video is up, i had to use tinypic cause i was getting a message on youtube saying it was a duplicate video..
S32, not sure what you mean by that and no idea how that would work.
Think of those boss levels you get.
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I love that idea.
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The only thing I dislike is beat the box. The box should atleast get better batteries and/or stronger weapon motors.
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that was just a demo and no the box isn't going to have weapons, the drive was to stop immobility issues :P (i would let it sit there if i could) if anything it'll get more defense. here's the idea behind each challenge in case some haven't got it yet.
2 on 1: tests the offense and defense of your robot.
beat the box: tests the offense only.
tilt: tests the drive, pushing power and wedge (if any) of your robot
survival: tests the defense only (unless you can knock the much bigger bot out).
if anyone wants to throw together a small test tourney pm me, just another 2-3 people will do.
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So it's like a Pentathlon for your bot. The same bot competes in all challenges. Sounds interesting.
I don't know if this would work for one of your ideas, Ian. Spyguy and I had thought up a "Challenge Arena" where your own bot would face 1, 2, or all 3 AI bots; but individually/1 at a time.
The weight classes would be up to you. After/If your bot defeated the first AI, only then would it move on to the next AI... and so on. How far your bot gets totally is up to your bot's aptitude.
Obviously if the AI's are more than one, then their weight class should be lighter than yours: say your entry bot was HW, then if 2 challengers, then thye should be 2 MWs; if 3 then they should all be LW (or mix them... MW at first, and final bot is LW).
But you get the idea... What do you think?
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And how do these challengers appear ?
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yeah that's basically the idea. i seen that in arena idea's, so it's kinda like a gauntlet? maybe it could be the final challenge between the 2 top robots.
i thought about the pros and cons of a tourney like this..
Pros: no bye rounds needed at all, adds variety, you get to watch your robot as much as anyone else (expect maybe top 2 at the end).
cons: more videos needed to be recorded, uploaded and linked.
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And how do these challengers appear ?
The Challenging AI are individually partitioned off and kept from even approaching the Contestant bot,... until the defeat of the previous bot(s). Then the partition is removed.
Technically, if that's what you're asking, it's done with python controlled gmf objects (like the inserted and removed gmf objects in the practice garage).
BTW: All of these bots would fight on the same turf w/o any arena obstacles or hazards. The Contestant bot has only the challenge of defeating those 3 AIs, one after another.
Overall, I think your idea is good, Ian.
I'll get back with you later about this arena.
BTW2: When you have a congruent plan together, don't forget to run this by ACAMS.
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Well he DID start a tournament and then dissapeared and did not finish it.......BUT he WAS real good with his other tournaments. There are 3 or 4 tournaments going right now too.
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i just need to figure out what's a good amount of entries for this. if you think about it 10 entries with 4 challenges = 40 videos that's less entrants and more videos that is the one concern i have about the tournament.
good news, i still have all the robots featured in the video so i can use them as the challenges still. i don't wanna race into anything and it would be best to have it all organized before any talk of starting the tourney happens.. i just really like the idea.
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I would be one of the first to reserve a spot in the tourney. It is a great idea.
The points could work easily
(For 10 bot tourney)
1st: 10 points
2nd: 9 points
etc.
On all of them. Based on time.
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I love the idea its like the old school robot wars were you had to build the best all round robot :-D
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So it's Stock MW ?
I will enter a bot if you start this.
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i just need to figure out what's a good amount of entries for this. if you think about it 10 entries with 4 challenges = 40 videos that's less entrants and more videos that is the one concern i have about the tournament.
good news, i still have all the robots featured in the video so i can use them as the challenges still. i don't wanna race into anything and it would be best to have it all organized before any talk of starting the tourney happens.. i just really like the idea.
Maybe you could put all 5 trials of one robot into the same video.
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hmm, i think maybe i can put all the parts of one challenge in 1-2 vids. that would take away lots of work required.
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Make it like the Gauntlet in Robot Wars, where it is every bot in 1 event, then every bot in the next, and so on.
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I really like this idea, ian. Sounds fun.
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ok time to recruit some help.
here's what i need:
-someone who can make up the robot splash pics (i'll tell you what i'm looking for).
-someone who can ai the robots well.
i can record, edit and upload. when all that is sorted i will open registration. i always seem to get a tourney going around the same time as BBEANS >.< click inspires me i guess :P
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As soon as you get that, you must run this by ACAMS and start a new tourney thread.
Don't forget, because this is a really cool idea.
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Ok, Ian. I'll try making this arena. Yea, help would be nice for a gauntlet style 'Challenge'(?) arena. Skinners, gmf editors, python tweakers, Skinners, and/or testers...; even help with a cool name for it. This arena shouldn't be too hard.
PM me, please whomever can contribute...
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I'm doing some skinning help. Everyone else, get off your lazy butts and get involved!
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i may also need help with some of the "house robots".. I'm not really satisfied with the box and i might need 1 more decent BW, so if you have any robot for the house robot team send a splash pic and i will pick the best one for the tourney.
here's the robots you can make:
- a BW for 2 on 1 challenge.
- a "Box" with a fair bit of defense to challenge the offense of all robots equally (spinners, popups, hammers and so on.)
- a powerful MW Rammer with a wedge for the tilt challenge (must have no weapons).
- a HW that will test all the robots defense but will not just one hit ko them (i think my HW in the vid shows exactly what i'm looking for.)
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I call BW.
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The HW should be a pure HS (if that's what we're calling them now).
I can make the MW rammer for the tilt challenge.
I can also make the defense box if you need me to.
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pure HS will kill some bots faster then others O.o i like my hybrid right now.
when you build them just pm me a splash. i just tested out my own team of house bots and it turned out fine except my rammer is a bit OP but that makes it more fun to watch as the entries get owned!
i held my own mini-tourney (3 robots testing out the 4 challenges) to test out how i'm gonna work the splashes and when i will show the leader board and so on.
Note: i may not use your robot, but i'm open for change if i think it's good for the tourney. should also note if the feedback is good we might get some new challenges in for next time, i think tourneys are too limited in variety these days so it's time to mix things up!
great thing is even if you don't win overall you have 4 chances to become the champion of the individual challenges which you can brag about in your signature :P
results of my mini-tourney show that it has the potential to be close...all LW's.
Razorwire is an old, pretty average popup
lights out v.3 is a decent face spinner
Tornado 2 is a decent HS
2 on 1:
Razorwire- loss 1:11 left - 1pt
Lights out v.3- win 1:04 left - 2pts
Tornado 2- loss 1:24 left - 0pts
Beat the Box:
Razorwire- no kill, 2146 points - 1pt
Lights out v.3- no kill, 1526 points - 0pts
Tornado 2- kill 0:22 - 2pts
Tilt:
Razorwire- 0:55 left - 0pts
Lights out v.3- 0:54 left - 1pt
Tornado 2- 0:51 left - 2pts
Survival:
Razorwire- 1:41 left - 1pt
Lights out v.3- 1:15 left - 2pts
Tornado 2- 1:47 left - 0pts
Results:
winner: Lights out v.3- 5pts
Runner up: Tornado 2- 4pts
Last: Razorwire- 3pts
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last post was huge and about 1 and a half hours ago so posting a new reply (stdp anyway).
here is the video of the mini tourney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lu5AKWT8vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lu5AKWT8vc)
Note: each challenge will be uploaded separately.
this is to prove to doubters i can still host these tourneys and to give people a better idea of what it will be like.
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you could always have a few house robots on your team and switch them around like robot wars did
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looks like people will be ai'ing their own robot.
btw sage the arena's i will be using for the challenges are as follows:
-2 on 1: small arena (used in BBEANS 3).
-Beat the box: small arena.
-Tilt: flex top arena.
-Survival: Combat arena. (should have a dark/scary look)
feel free to reskin those, except.. click made the small arena so i dunno if you can reskin it, probably have to ask.
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some good and bad news to update people.
good news is Dozer (the robot on the tilt challenge) is beatable!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/50010New Bitmap Image (8).JPG)
bad news is i still haven't heard from anyone who wants to help which means.. 1: no cool arena skins.. 2: no real good AI.. 3: no cool robot splashes.
pm me if you are serious about helping, the little things make a good tournament.
i'm going to stick with my team of "house robots" and they are ai'd already. in a couple of days i'm going to start registration.
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Are those BWs in the vid the two bots in the two on one challenge?
Also, what is the official weight class?
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There isn't a need for COOL robot splashes.
I have a better house robot that i'll send to you.
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yes that's them and they can beat stuff up :) the same bots in the vid will be used for the tourney so study them.
lightweight stock robots will be used. also note i have all the rules and scoring info written up and ready to post when i think the tourney is ready to open registration.
S32 please pm me a pic and info. i've used cool splashes in most my tourneys and the overall look was much better with them, plus it provides good info on the robots.
EDIT: i'm thinking about changing one of the BW's to my BW VS named the button.. you can find a video or 2 of it on my youtube channel, i will decide soon which one i will use.