When you say 'no entry limitations', does that mean send any number of bots, or anyone can join?Anyone can join, later on it gets mentioned how you would be only allowed to send one bot of each weightclass.
And yeah, definitely have two leagues. Unrealistic and realistic
I think prizes is a way to gain outsiders/people who don't know about the forum. Y'know, people love prizes... especially when all they'd have to do is build something on a free game and/or free mod of a free gameYes, but said prizes would be for that free game(it isn't something like "you win money/games" and I sure not hope that it will turn into that)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGi6Q1pNbS0heh :laughing
As for the prizes, I really don't want to repeat myself from the GTM is reclining thread or be that guy that's like "no, because I say so", but I really wouldn't want to have them.
Stacked Supervolts, Nifties with a CB space are all things which should've been part of a tournament mod, Double Strenght Extenders would give a advantage to the other people, and even if the stuff is just visual, I wouldn't be a fan of it, neither do I like the forum user title. care to say why you wouldnt like any forum titles or visual stuff? those other prizes have already been done a while back and nobody made a huge fuss over it. stacking is something everyone can do, it just makes the game a lot more enjoyable for that person. personally i think it's a good idea, though maybe a new component such as a wheel with some personalised fancy stuff on it for the top few would be cool.
This all just encourages winning more, and roboteering isn't about winning, it's about having fun, you'll just have the same designs over and over again with people that want to win doing most efficient bots. 1. thats what irl building is for, cool looking designs often dont work anywhere near as well as the tried and tested ones. 2. why dont you want to encourage winning? its a tournament, i dont see a way of having any more fun other than driving the bots yourselves, if there were all cool looking designs but the fights are awful then where's the fun in that? 3. this game and its metagames are very very old now, and at this moment there isn't a clear 'best bot type'other than flail rammers cough, so there's clearly not a lack of different designs in those old games, let alone this brand new mod. 4. it's basically a brand new metagame, there's going to be a lot of different designs and idk about you but i'd very much like a tournament to see who's design is the most efficient, that's what i feel most of us enjoyed back in the 2.1 days.
People won't go out for creativity if they want to win so badly, they will take what already works and as such you will see SnS, HS and Popups again with everyone complaining about Popups again(while the problem itself is more wedgebots, because of how the AI works, all that matters is a good wedge to get under your opponent and then you've basically won already, Drums, jugglers and most piston wedges are the same thing in the end, they're all gutrippers who hit the underside of your bot), that's also why I find ranked RA2 bad. what. there are a lot of designs that counter wedges pretty well, of course those are the same sort of bot because they all have the same purpose, just different weapons.
Mr As' mod is new, but that doesn't mean that old already working desings won't work here, and why would someone that wants to win mess around with a new bot design when you know that certain designs will always work? It's just a temporary solution instead of encouraging creativity and fair bot designs. see: botm
We aren't little kids anymore that need to be lured with winning prizes, you already win the tournament and I think having that mentioned in the wiki(similar to how all BBEANS entries and rounds are written) should be more than enough. i really dont think the wiki will be a good place to hold it alone, such a big tournament deserves some space on the actual forum. im pretty sure you wouldnt lose any people wanting to enter if there weren't any prizes or mentions anywhere, it's just a good idea to encourage some more competition and make it feel more 'official' (sorry yugi)
The AI Pack falls into a similar situation like the stacked batteries, I've been thinking on how it would be if the tournament bots got released to everyone, it would allow you to see what went wrong, how a bot is built and how stuff works, you could even redo matches to see how close your victory/loss was.
Personally, I find yearly too long, but doing it in a short time can easily lead to it being too much of a haste to host. i feel that any shorter and it wouldn't feel as important or big, for example compare the battlebots tournaments to bbeans and clash cubes.
Mr As' mod is new, but that doesn't mean that old already working desings won't work hereHaving made the mod, I can already tell you that the lack of piercing weapons, along with hovercrafts and thrusters will throw a wrench into the old "just build a popup and win" strategy.
I'd rather stick with DSL 2.2 but we'll see how the voting goes.DSL 2.2 is awful for competitive play though
You have a point there. What about Stock or DSL 2.1?I'd rather stick with DSL 2.2 but we'll see how the voting goes.DSL 2.2 is awful for competitive play though
dsl 2.1 is still awful honestly, stock isn't as bad. best bet is retooled or ironforgeYou have a point there. What about Stock or DSL 2.1?I'd rather stick with DSL 2.2 but we'll see how the voting goes.DSL 2.2 is awful for competitive play though
I kind of have a feeling that there is no point in returning back to DSL 2.1 though.
Stock will be nothing more than "HS vs Popups: the tournament"dont worry, there are people who are actually not plebs and can make a decent non hs/popup :p
someone at some point will get salty that their bot wasn't allowed but another one was
Is there anyone in that 12 that definitely wouldn't enter if it was Retooled (other than Mech)?
This may sound harsh but I refuse to enter if it's not Stock or DSL.Bye, felica
If it's gonna be Ironforge or Retooled, then it's my loss.
This may sound harsh but I refuse to enter if it's not Stock or DSL.or you could grab your balls and learn a new meta like every guy who s'gonna enter this if it's in retooled will have to do....
If it's gonna be Ironforge or Retooled, then it's my loss.
grab your ballssure ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
the metagame is just young and in its early days.Also worth noting that the metagame ain't going anywhere if nobody builds in it.
TBH, it's really only beta in name only. The reason why it's a "beta" is because it currently only has 6 AI teams instead of 15, and also because I didn't expect to put as much in the beta as I ended up doing. All the components are there to get a metagame rolling. 70% of the default components and 60% of the cheatbot2 components are done, the other 30 and 40% mostly being misc. weapons. although these numbers don't take into effect any components that get left on the cutting room floor.Ye can we keep it retooled please thank you
There are no exploitative components as far as I know, and I brainstormed out to see if there were any major tryhard/uncounterable designs with the cheatbot2 components. Closest thing I could think of is flying robots countering popups + HS only to be countered by VS + hammers, which I'm honestly okay with. I actually removed some of the things that made designs "broken" in other mods, such as piercing damage and caster armor.the metagame is just young and in its early days.Also worth noting that the metagame ain't going anywhere if nobody builds in it.
Also worth noting that the metagame ain't going anywhere if nobody builds in it.
Sportsman Class - ReTooled HW (Most balanced game with the most weight allowance)
Intermediate Class - DSL 2.2 MW (More optimised designs with less weight to play with)
Pro/Open Class - Stock 1.4 LW (optimise is basically a must with little weight to play with)
Yet another thing the GTM Discord has decided on doing which I am going to act on. Seriously, if you want your opinion heard, it's much better to join the GTM Discord.Sportsman Class - ReTooled HW (Most balanced game with the most weight allowance)
Intermediate Class - DSL 2.2 MW (More optimised designs with less weight to play with)
Pro/Open Class - Stock 1.4 LW (optimise is basically a must with little weight to play with)
Super into this idea. I would say have a vote between DSL and Ironforge because of their similarities.
Pro/Open Class - Stock 1.4 LW (optimise is basically a must with little weight to play with)I'm up for this
Exactly a problem, think there could be a rule that a bot could be denied if something like that happens. Also it's probably better to make sure that a lot of bot types work instead of "let's try something new as long as we don't have a meta" because it's a short time solution.Is there anyone in that 12 that definitely wouldn't enter if it was Retooled (other than Mech)?
I have a little food for thought based on using Retooled..
If the tournament is to be run soon (which seems to be the case given the pacing of this discussion) there is the potential for exploitable aspects yet to be uncovered to the community (in extreme cases a Narmour like scenario for instance) I mean absolutely no disrespect to the great work made by Mr AS, the metagame is just young and in its early days.
If the tournament is set as a more distant project there is the potential for optimal designs to still shine through but all the bugs worked out.
Using retooled as an unknown is great in one situation but also a gamble in another.. it would still need to be tried and tested (perhaps in tournament situations) to truly work out all the nerfs and buffs thoroughly.
In my opinion the risk of optimal designs is a better trade off than the risk of exploits, as the more final release should be balanced enough to generate a "rock paper scissors" scenario but its a question if that fits the timeline for this tournament..
Typical Jonzu quote here.grab your ballssure ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
It'll be Stock MW.OK, same question for 1WD MW HS
just saw thisCorrect, except it'll be DSL/IF LW.
so it's retool HW, stock MW, and DSL/IF MW?
If you really want to be fancy you could have a different ribbon for each meta. It'd also solve the issue of someone winning more than one version.
That's the plan.
Also I would move the start points in the RA2T2 arena forward as I'm pretty sure stilt bots get caught on the wall when the match starts
Righto, I'll get on that (or Mr AS, if he doesn't mind, rather :P)
Yeah, I doubt 1WD bots will be outright banned but something with more wheels would be appreciated :)It'll be Stock MW.OK, same question for 1WD MW HS
DSL 2.1 would do it for me:dead:
Let the razor/flail massacre begin!DSL 2.1 would do it for me:dead:
DSL 2.1 would do it for me:dead:
Give IF a try dude, it builds quite similarly to DSL and its VERY easy to learn the different components.
Are there any bot restrictions? Like no SnS, no crawlers, no 1WD, etc?Retooled is DSL-S. As for banned bot types, I will update the OP with them, later. Until then, everyone making bots, be good sportsmen :P
Also, is Retooled meant to be DSL-S style or Stock style?
Give IF a try dude, it builds quite similarly to DSL and its VERY easy to learn the different components.
Imagine Stock building without the glitches and balanced parts, then you get IF(minus the ballast part), it might take you a bit of time to get into it, but it's a nice mod, as for Retooled, build something that works and enter to see what happens, noone really knows much about it, so it's completely new. Imagine it just like the first Series of Robot Wars(except that we know that armor's needed as well as srimechs)
ironforge is literally dsl but actually balanced, lol
So when we talk Ironforge lightweights, are we talking 200 Kg or 125 Kg?
If its stock MW then you already know who I'm going to enter ;) and if you don't here's a clue it's big has eight Razors and is fruit themed.Tangerine Avenger? :P
I'd suggest limiting the ballast to 2 for the LWs in this tournament.I was thinking about that with IF, but it's best to not do any sudden changes I guess.
No silly Tangi is the little sister Orange Avenger is the big brother who is entering it ;)That was why I put the :P since almost everyone would knew about it.
I may re-enter a very very old Stock bot into this. Basically the only Stock MW I've ever put into competition :)go home waggler
im gonna enter that vsI may re-enter a very very old Stock bot into this. Basically the only Stock MW I've ever put into competition :)go home waggler
I'd suggest limiting the ballast to 2 for the LWs in this tournament.Why? Every other Ironforge tourney allows 4-ballast LWs. It's not like adding an extra 50KG to your robot that doesn't do anything is OP.
Oh damn I forgot Waggler. Was gonna enter MK Ultra from RAW2
Ironforge LW, it's possible to build 125.1 to 249.9 on ironforge? Like I sew ironforge ai LW - Hammer Time is 224.8.It uses a ballast, ballast do not count to the 125 kg
Oh damn I forgot Waggler. Was gonna enter MK Ultra from RAW2
LOL I was going to enter RY3NO too.. maybe I should try to build something new though
then i'm missing a lot!AI Tourenment mean you must sent bot to host and he will Ai it.
Also
AI tournament? :confused: :confused:
where to send?probably the tournament host when the signups are up.
Will component freedom be allowed?I've decided to not allow it for this tournament. If people think that the tournament bots would have been better after the fact, then I will change this rule for the next one.
I don't see a reason to ban RO7 break, especially as you're gonna want to kill yourself if you're checking for it on every bot.same thoughts here
Perhaps I'll reconsider, then.I don't see a reason to ban RO7 break, especially as you're gonna want to kill yourself if you're checking for it on every bot.same thoughts here
Excited!!!!!!!I think you'll find there are issues with your AI, not the tournament. Go here (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=1103.0) to sort those problems out.
There are many pros with this tournament, but there is one con...
AI is too stupid!!
Issue happens with spinners with bars!
After AIing my bot, it ramed opoposition and pushed it that it couldn't spin up bars.
I don't see a reason to ban RO7 break, especially as you're gonna want to kill yourself if you're checking for it on every bot.same thoughts here
Perhaps I'll reconsider, then.I don't see a reason to ban RO7 break, especially as you're gonna want to kill yourself if you're checking for it on every bot.same thoughts hereExcited!!!!!!!I think you'll find there are issues with your AI, not the tournament. Go here (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=1103.0) to sort those problems out.
There are many pros with this tournament, but there is one con...
AI is too stupid!!
Issue happens with spinners with bars!
After AIing my bot, it ramed opoposition and pushed it that it couldn't spin up bars.
what the hell you are smokingI don't see a reason to ban RO7 break, especially as you're gonna want to kill yourself if you're checking for it on every bot.same thoughts here
Yeah. This would change stock building COMPLETELY.
Excited!!!!!!!Good to know that you're learning to AI yourself, but the tournament host will AI your bot for you if you're having trouble.
There are many pros with this tournament, but there is one con...
AI is too stupid!!
Issue happens with spinners with bars!
After AIing my bot, it ramed opoposition and pushed it that it couldn't spin up bars.
My mom's medical marijuana.what the hell you are smokingI don't see a reason to ban RO7 break, especially as you're gonna want to kill yourself if you're checking for it on every bot.same thoughts here
Yeah. This would change stock building COMPLETELY.
I don't particularly agree with allowing RO7 break. I doubt it would even do much, plus it feels like cheating.It just removes one stupid game limit and it's allowed almost everywhere nowadays, you don't really get that many new designs or gamebreaking stuff from it and it just helps with certain IRL builds and other component placements.
I'm talking about stock :dumb)I don't particularly agree with allowing RO7 break. I doubt it would even do much, plus it feels like cheating.
certain IRL builds
This, name me one recent tournament that explicitly banned it. There's no good reason to ban it IMO.I don't particularly agree with allowing RO7 break. I doubt it would even do much, plus it feels like cheating.It just removes one stupid game limit and it's allowed almost everywhere nowadays, you don't really get that many new designs or gamebreaking stuff from it and it just helps with certain IRL builds and other component placements.
crapcan derbyThis, name me one recent tournament that explicitly banned it. There's no good reason to ban it IMO.I don't particularly agree with allowing RO7 break. I doubt it would even do much, plus it feels like cheating.It just removes one stupid game limit and it's allowed almost everywhere nowadays, you don't really get that many new designs or gamebreaking stuff from it and it just helps with certain IRL builds and other component placements.
Could that...if you already installed it, shouldn't you have the .rar of it still on your computer? no need to download it again.
Ill see tommorow mornig...
Ive always felt that the rule of 7 was kind of the art to stock building?i have to slightly agree with this, because the ro7 is basically the only test of "skill" i guess you could say nowadays with so many people using RA2CF, however at the same time you really don't run into the ro7 that often with a MW so it's not really that big of a deal.
just sent my bot offwtf its not even in signups yet
Why not allow the entire RA2CF mod and see just the most ridiculously stacked stock bots possible?Because then you can just make a tiny invincible chassis and it's super boring
whoopsjust sent my bot offwtf its not even in signups yet
Sorry if this is off topic.. if it is ill delete it....maybe you should check other tournament threads to see how they are done :P
How are you going to film these vids? Is it going to be in episodes or all in one?
And again sorry if its off topic
Just to confirm I can enter OA3 right?As long as it's within the rules, you can send me whatever.
Another request....
I'd like to use CF for cramming stuff together, not for RO7 break.
Is it allowed?
Another request....Absolutely not.
I'd like to use CF for cramming stuff together, not for RO7 break.
Is it allowed?
The first iteration of the GTM Championship Series is now underway and signups are open! Send your entries to me. You may send them in waves if you have one bot done before the rest, I don't mind. Just be sure to go over the rules on the OP thoroughly before making your bot. Signups end at the end of the month (30th September)
Have fun ;)
Remember, you have until the end of this month to get all your entries in. If you care at all about the stigma that the forum has been getting for being dead, try to enter at least one category.
Well, if frezal is entering, I guess I can't sit in the sidelines...DO IT!
Oh cool it's stock MWsns is allowed, just not melty
>no SnS
god dammit
Remember, you have until the end of this month to get all your entries in. If you care at all about the stigma that the forum has been getting for being dead, try to enter at least one category.
I get the feeling that my bot will Mauler and destroy itself. Should be fun to watch, though.Remember, you have until the end of this month to get all your entries in. If you care at all about the stigma that the forum has been getting for being dead, try to enter at least one category.
I will try to get something into the stock category it wont be wonderful but hopefully it at least looks good going out in a blaze of glory :P
I dont know if ill manage the other 2 categories, I havent even ported Ironforge and Retooled to Mac yet so im well behind schedule to build for those.
I wouldn't be surprised if Naryar doesn't enter.Would anybody be?
CRAAAAAAAIG! Did you get my PM regarding a possible ring spinner design I had in mind for the tournament?
Same applies for you.I wouldn't be surprised if Naryar doesn't enter.Would anybody be?
Hey man, I'm not that guy who always says he will enter my tournaments and never builds anything :pSame applies for you.I wouldn't be surprised if Naryar doesn't enter.Would anybody be?
okay that was pretty savageHey man, I'm not that guy who always says he will enter my tournaments and never builds anything :pSame applies for you.I wouldn't be surprised if Naryar doesn't enter.Would anybody be?
Signups close tomorrow. Enter while you can!ok, but i wish they'd extend the deadline
Dude the signups have been open for SO long. I procrastinated loads, made like 6 different bots for stock and still got a bot made, AI'd and skinned in every category 5 days before the deadline. Everyone has had more than enough time.Signups close tomorrow. Enter while you can!ok, but i wish they'd extend the deadline
well I'd get bots done quickly too if i used ra2cf to stack everything like you doDude the signups have been open for SO long. I procrastinated loads, made like 6 different bots for stock and still got a bot made, AI'd and skinned in every category 5 days before the deadline. Everyone has had more than enough time.Signups close tomorrow. Enter while you can!ok, but i wish they'd extend the deadline
Stay mad kid ;Dwell I'd get bots done quickly too if i used ra2cf to stack everything like you doDude the signups have been open for SO long. I procrastinated loads, made like 6 different bots for stock and still got a bot made, AI'd and skinned in every category 5 days before the deadline. Everyone has had more than enough time.Signups close tomorrow. Enter while you can!ok, but i wish they'd extend the deadline
I've done my entire SoG team, my entries for this, and all the gtmrw prep while signups have been open. And I hardly play these days. I think everyone has had time.Yeah, okay, it was just a suggestion.
Stay mad kid ;Dlol