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Robot Arena Matches => Tournaments => Tournament Archives => Topic started by: takatsukiyayoi on February 03, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
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Hi all,
I was shooting the breeze over MSN with NFX over the idea of an "original" (non-replica) IRL-Realistic-style tournament, with definitive, concrete rules to building.
The premise is a semi-casual, beginner-friendly tournament meant to ease rookie builders into RA2, while allowing more veteran builders to show the ropes and stretch their legs out with original but still obviously really realistic robot designs.
Keep in mind this is more a general rule set for all IRL-realistic tournaments rather than for just one specific tournament.
The rule set:
1. Event Type
1.0. We will use the DSL v2.1 mod for Robot Arena 2.
1.1. We will use the standard realistic rules set, plus the additional rules outlined in section 2.
1.2. Conditions for winning a match are as follows:
- Knockout: Smash the control board of the other robot.
- Submission: Pin a robot to immobilization, or damage it to the point where it will not move (but
- Paralyzing: Take out all of the other robot's wheels. (Let's face it, it's over for them by the time this happens)
1.3. The format of fight is up to the discretion of the organizer.
1.4. We will use the Narmour be GONE!!! fix. (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,5697.0.html)
1.5. Due to the bullsh** points system in Robot Arena 2, matches that do not reach a conclusion should be decided by a panel of three judges.
2. Bot Construction
2.0. All bots must be constructed within the bot editor/builder in the game - bot file editing outside of the game is not allowed.
2.1. If you plan on using skinned components, they must be "standalone" (doesn't replace any files) and cannot be altered besides the texture/skin.
2.1.1. You must send your skinned components to the admin or post them with your bot.
2.2. All robots should have at least one battery.
2.3. Multi-bots are only allowed in groups of two, and only in non-rumble tournaments. It is up to the discretion of the organizer of the tournament whether or not to allow "multi-bots".
2.4. All robots must have a minimum of two wheels. There has to be at least one powered wheel.
IMPORTANT!!!!!!!: Additional IRL Realistic Rules
2.5. Besides the standard realistic rules (components can't intersect, no stacking, no glitches, etc.), the robot must obey the additional guidelines outlined below.
2.5.1. If you have externally attached motors, the weight of the motor cannot exceed double the weight of the extenders. (For instance, if your extender weight is 15 kg, you can slap on a TWM3R but not a Perm.)
2.5.1.!. This rule is excepted only if the motor is attached to the baseplate/chassis. However, the bot is still not excepted from section 2.5.2 of the regulations.
2.5.2. You can't put more than double the weight of a motor on a motor. (So, on a TWM3R, we cannot put more than 60 kg on it.)
2.5.2.!. I don't give a sh** if the motor is externally attached or not - this rule still applies.
2.5.3. No metal hinge wedges.
2.5.4. Wedges are defined as "lower" (touching the ground and/or placed on the lower part of a bot's chassis), and "upper" (placed on the top of a bot's chassis).
2.5.4.!. Irregardless of weight class, a robot may only employ one type of external wedge system. For example, if your bot has skirt hinge wedges, you can't use a burst motor wedge to go with it. Again, this applies to ALL weight classes, and has no limit on length.
2.5.5. No "if we can cut a hole through it to make it work in real" BS, if a moving part intersects a still part, it ain't legal. (This means that pop-ups like Fast and Furious in NAR AI are not legal; however, Slashback in the original DSL 2.1 AI is perfectly legal since it isn't intersecting anything)
3. Havok Explosions
3.0. Should one robot have what is termed a "havok explosion", the other robots are allowed to have a free restart. Should it happen again, the robot will be removed and the match will restart without the havoking robot.
4. Misc. Regulations
4.0. All competitors must have a good time.
4.1. All competitors may not bitch at the event administrator if the AI driver does a sucky job.
4.2. The event administration has any and all right to expand the bracket if there is enough demand.
4.3. Trash talking must remain as civilised as possible.
4.4. All competitors must agree to the regulations.
4.5. All competitors must have a good time.
4.6. All competitors must have a good time.
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This sounds like fun. As I said, I reckon there'd be some debate about what constitutes realism and what doesn't in different builders' eyes. I reckon it's a good idea to actually have a decent ruleset for this sort of building, despite the fact it's not something that every builder does.
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I didn't see the weight class in the rules, is it HW, LW, or is it LW, MW AND HW?
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I'm guessing it's a general ruleset for all weight classes.
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Ah, okay
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Cool idea.
I'd like to see added to the rules is fights should go to a judges decision after a set time limit. To make it more realistic you could use the RFL judging system and have a set panel of 3 people who decide who won the fight. Also it might be a cool idea to allow the judge burst motor in flippers but only if you have air tanks and a piston in the robot.
Edit: That was my 1000th post??? I was kinda hopping it would be something cooler like a awesome DSL bot or something. :P
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Sounds fun, might i suggest my "Narmour be gone" patch for DSL 2.1 ?
you can find it in the mods and designs section
Edit: That was my 1000th post??? I was kinda hopping it would be something cooler like a awesome DSL bot or something. :P
I can set it back 1 if you would like to post a robot with it? :P
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The RA2 points system is broken anyway.. If there is a tie on points start point 1 will automatically loose too
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What's with the triple "All competitors must have a good time"? xD
It's like Fight Club. Repeating rules somehow makes them seem more importa-*shot*
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I am interest!
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*likes*
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The name alone makes me wanna join. :P
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bah
realistic sucks
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LAWL
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I am liking this. Sounds fun and I think Click should use this for DSL3 tourneys. (See my rant there)
Also ONLY burst motors for the LW class? I can't use DSL axle mounts? Because I have an idea on something I could use for something like this (from ARC) that uses axle wedges. Would this be legal?
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I will enter.
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Also ONLY burst motors for the LW class? I can't use DSL axle mounts? Because I have an idea on something I could use for something like this (from ARC) that uses axle wedges. Would this be legal?
I wanted to prevent everyone and their mom from using Mako-style wedges in place of the skirt hinge.
Is the ARC bot in question a lightweight as well?
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yes, actually. And a very successful design despite having no weapons. However it's more IRL-style than RA2.
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OK then, here's my propositions to the axle wedge idea then (this is for lightweights only since there isn't a limit on type on heavier divisions):
1) Limit length to 80 cm, no limit on placement
2) No limits on length, but must be an "Upper" type wedge (only ends can touch the ground; cannot be parallel to ground).
3) No limits on length or placement, but can only have two at a time _and_ must be the only external wedge type
4) Get rid of the limits of placement and type, but only allow one external wedge type
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Hey, is there still any interest in this rule set?
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I is still interested.
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looks very intriguing...
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Rules have been updated to make things easier to remember, as well as unify rule sets so that all classes are bounded by the same limitations.
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Are we allowed to build with the original skirt hinge with the knowledge the collision mesh will be removed for the actual tournament?
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I should probably ask JoeBlo if the removed collision mesh will effect any robots to the point of crashing Robot Arena 2 - I have not yet tested it out.
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It shouldn't.
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Added a poll so I gauge interest officially.
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I dont like "2.5.2. You can't put more than double the weight of a motor on a motor. (So, on a TWM3R, we cannot put more than 60 kg on it.)"
I wanted to enter a bar spinner.
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Well, you can enter a bar spinner, you'll just have to use lighter components/a thinner/shorter bar/a more powerful motor.
This kinda had to be done to prevent shell spinners and Sit-and-Spin types from completely dominating the tournament (which probably won't happen if someone is smart and uses an arena with low walls like the BBEANS ones).
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Cant you just have a rule stating "If I dont think its IRL realistic IT CANT ENTER and thats final" instead?
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It's too subjective - I could simply dismiss a design just because I can.
This rule set is designed so that everyone has a definite and obvious standard to build to. I don't want to go through the process of having to ask everyone if their designs are used in real life.
However, I can relax the restriction a bit - maybe a factor of 2.5 (so you can slap 75 kg on)? Or a factor of three to keep it simple (30 kg motor = max 90 kg weapons)?
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I'm in a tournament mood so i shall join if this happens
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Yep, I find myself wanting to join aswell, seems good fun.
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What is the judging criteria. Is it RFL style or something else?