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Robot Arena => Showcases => Stock Showcases => Topic started by: Natster-104 on May 11, 2014, 03:09:44 PM
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Right, this is going to be less popular than my DSL showcase but who cares?
First Bot with a few things to mention
even though it is incredibly underweight the wedge, flipper and damage is amazing
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/8661Great Sentinel.png)
As by the name's suggestions, this was a replacement for Sentinel
1 black, 2 pinks, HPZs, 2 snapper wedges and DDT flippers
thoughts?
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Pardon my french, I meant two blacks:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/70020Great Sentinel in.png)
Thoughts?
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Damage will not be amazing using 2 spike strips - if you need to test it, get Starcore. You'd need a lot more weaponry to get decent damage, as far as I'm aware
(Also, please don't double post? :3)
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Read this. (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm)
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If you have the wedge snappers sticking out the sides and move the ddts as well, you could probably fit an anchor there and put some frontal wedge protection on. You should also make the ddts swing from the other side and have a razor rack on them, and make it a popup.
Good first bot though. :3
Also, are you aware of the edit button? It's rather useful.
Edit: Ninja'd by Craaig... To be expected. :P
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Read this. (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm)
Need to have a crack at some of these, some of the building techniques are hard to perform howeverDamage will not be amazing using 2 spike strips - if you need to test it, get Starcore. You'd need a lot more weaponry to get decent damage, as far as I'm aware
Can't really add more weaponry unless someone knows how
If you have the wedge snappers sticking out the sides and move the ddts as well, you could probably fit an anchor there and put some frontal wedge protection on. You should also make the ddts swing from the other side and have a razor rack on them, and make it a popup.
Good first bot though. :3
Thanks :mrgreen: I'll see what I can do...
Also, are you aware of the edit button? It's rather useful.
Just edited this post ;) I am, sorry I just wanted to get the point across
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Yes, people know how - popups. Check some out in the stock showcases, and to build them you will need those hard building techniques. Stock, like DSL-S, isn't just something you're automatically good at like IRL or Replicas, but work at it and you will be rewarded with impressive and very destructive creations :)
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So, just installed Starcore V.3, time to get to work
Yes, people know how - popups. Check some out in the stock showcases, and to build them you will need those hard building techniques. Stock, like DSL-S, isn't just something you're automatically good at like IRL or Replicas, but work at it and you will be rewarded with impressive and very destructive creations :)
I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the help :mrgreen:
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"Can't really add more weaponry unless someone knows how"
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/556ddt.png)
Try this using the EFFE glitch (tutorial in Mr.AS's link) to add more razors like this.
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WARNING! WARNING! UPDATE OF THE ROBOT!
(Just felt like it)
Sooooo, yup I have updated with a new and improved version (Much better now)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/48007Great Sentinel.png)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/18724Great Sentinel in.png)
The reason I have used Y connectors is because the angle connectors wouldn't fit
Good Bad
Better damage Slower
Better defense
DSA
Thoughts?
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Rebuilding the chassis would help majorly, even though it does look quite cool. If it were a little longer, say, you could fit the anchors in front of the ddts, and get another pair of HPZs. Also, rule of thumb, pinks should only be used on ants and beetles. Your bot only needs 2 blacks max anyway. Try not to use angle connectors either, just use the side APs of extenders.
Good improvements though.
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Rebuilding the chassis would help majorly, even though it does look quite cool. If it were a little longer, say, you could fit the anchors in front of the ddts, and get another pair of HPZs. Also, rule of thumb, pinks should only be used on ants and beetles. Your bot only needs 2 blacks max anyway.
Ok, Ok, Ok, Thanks! :mrgreen:
Try not to use angle connectors either, just use the side APs of extenders.
It wouldn't fit otherwise :(
Good improvements though.
Thanks! :mrgreen: great to hear
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Also Emergency Wedges aren't the best, use Small Wedges instead to get underneath bots easier. :)
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I've made a prototype of Great Sentinel 2, pretty good:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/30873New great sentinel proto.png)
Insides:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/9280New great sentinel proto insides.png)
Right, what's good:
Still an amazing wedge
Much faster, soooo much faster
DSA
still some room for improvement
What's bad:
Frontal protection doesn't last long
Drive sometimes seizes up
NEEDS MOAR RAZORS
Needs more shielding
Also, I'm not sure whether it's my version of stock or what, but emergency wedges are better than small wedges
Thoughts?
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You have some really crazy extender work going on there. Redesign the chassis so you can put the wedge snappers in front of the drive motors and put the ramplates on baseplate anchors instead of the snappers.
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You have some really crazy extender work going on there. Resign the chassis so you can put the wedge snappers infront of the drive motors and put the ramplates on baseplate anchors instead of the snappers.
This is only a prototype, I need more thoughts so I can improve on the design in the next build, but thanks :mrgreen:
Anyone else?
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It has an amazing wedge? Really? That setup goes against some major guidelines of conventional wedge wisdom. (Keep wedge extenders straight, and don't attach anything else besides the wedge to them.) You could save a lot of weight by doing what 090901 said, but if the wedge ends up worse... well, the wedge makes or breaks a popup, so keep the best wedge.
It's also kind of weird how you have a V-shaped chassis with ram plates making a flat surface over it. Either make the front of the chassis flat, or angle the ram plates so they conform to the chassis.
Alternatively, put a pile of casters or spikes angled upwards and to the side on the corners of the chassis. With that shape, the corners will take the most hits and need the most protection.
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Well, you're definitely improving.
Can it outwedge NWB?
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Well, you're definitely improving.
Can it outwedge NWB?
(1 month bump)
Not sure, will try though
Well I've got an update
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g#)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/4717Stock - Bonanza.png)
DSA, crashed the first time I tried to make it,
Slow spinup, but gets really destructive at max spin speed
...Aaaand I still need to do a great sentinel 2 :facepalm:
Thoughts?
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I would switch to 2WD and maces. There aren't that many weapons on it right now.
Complex spinners are difficult, so it's nice to see someone build one.
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I would switch to 2WD and maces. There aren't that many weapons on it right now.
Complex spinners are difficult, so it's nice to see someone build one.
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thanks, although I don't play stock that much I will try to
Anyway, did I do gud
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/32357Stock - Toothpick overview.png)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/37685Stock - Toothpick.png)
Plastic armour, thoughts?
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You don't need the red extenders if you put the baseplate anchors close enough to the edge.
Also, if i were building it, I would keep the chassis a rectangle shape. Put the motor baseplate anchors in front of or behind the battery, rather than to the side of it.
That should save some weight for dsa armor, and maybe more weapons.
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needs a cleaner chassis, extender work and another razor.
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Right, I might make a thread on this to be clearer.
basically, its my theory that starcore got better at building by making the starcore v.1 ai pack, then making other bots to challenge them, getting better every time.
So in my head, I thought that if this worked for starcore, it might work for me.
I'll be honest here, as I've gotten a bit more mature(well, kind of) stock has opened up to me, so, I decided I'll follow starcores example and make my own ai pack, and honestly, aren't things better when they are diverse? I will call it HTS ai and hopefully people will enjoy it.
As well as offering the community something, it will be a huge learning kerb for me as it's obvious my skills are crap in stock and I find it difficult to stack and things like that. And it's better to be gradual than n00b-M4STER OF ST4AKzZ
Well, here comes the criticism
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Good luck is all that can be said. Until you put out any actual content there will be doubt.
As for the bot, if you wanna go wedged lw I would use a blue snapper. Wedge game is hardly a topic in lw because all the bots a lw hammer should beat won't have wedges anyway, eg Hs and rammers. It's a toss up for popups but good luck getting under a pop up with that high center of gravity anyway. That's why hammers like turn down for what focus on defense and the hammer than a wedge.
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Good luck is all that can be said. Until you put out any actual content there will be doubt.
Thanks scrap, nice to hear :)
As for the bot, if you wanna go wedged lw I would use a blue snapper. Wedge game is hardly a topic in lw because all the bots a lw hammer should beat won't have wedges anyway, eg Hs and rammers. It's a toss up for popups but good luck getting under a pop up with that high center of gravity anyway. That's why hammers like turn down for what focus on defense and the hammer than a wedge.
Hmm, after working on some bots for HTS ai, I will have a crack at it
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When trying to create something original for HTS ai, I came up with this thing:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/42114Stock - STAOB.png)
Needs moar of something, it was an experiment and it has dsa, needs a skin to match the name
feel free to clone it, pretty sure kos can make an insane St4kzY version
definately not my best
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Samurai swords are not exactly a great weapon in stock (unfortunately), so my advice would be to use them as some sort of cool front armour, using razors for the popup weapons themselves.
The spinning blades are also not going to help with the effectiveness of the design, so maybe consider using a blue snapper to have two RADs with tribars and razors on them, or something like that. You might be able to get more weight to do this if you make the chassis smaller by stacking some of the blacks (if you can face it :P).
I haven't played stock in a while, so the better stock builders can probably give you some better advice.
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Samurai swords are not exactly a great weapon in stock (unfortunately), so my advice would be to use them as some sort of cool front armour, using razors for the popup weapons themselves.
The spinning blades are also not going to help with the effectiveness of the design, so maybe consider using a blue snapper to have two RADs with tribars and razors on them, or something like that. You might be able to get more weight to do this if you make the chassis smaller by stacking some of the blacks (if you can face it :P).
I haven't played stock in a while, so the better stock builders can probably give you some better advice.
It was just an experiment to see whether I could make a weird hybrid thing as I said, and I don't think there's enough time for me to implement the changes (well there aren't enough hours in the day)
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Couldn't you have eFFe'd the samurai swords into each other removing the need for 2 of the snapper 2's, and also you used a DDT for the wedge but snapper 2's for the motors, why would you do that
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Couldn't you have eFFe'd the samurai swords into each other removing the need for 2 of the snapper 2's, and also you used a DDT for the wedge but snapper 2's for the motors, why would you do that
A) for some reason effe doesn't work for me, no idea if there's something I'm doing wrong
B) Don't ddt's make better wedges? that's what I read
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WTF is this?
The spinning part is going to hit nothing, and those Samurai Swords will do squat to literally any Stock HW.
It's underweight, underprotected, and the chassis is too big,
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It was just an experiment to see whether I could make a weird hybrid thing as I said
I hate to say it but it's not a "weird" hybrid at all, it's just a badly made HS/Popup hybrid.
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this bot needs to be cleaner, more protected, less extender work and it needs actually to be a good hybrid not something that makes no sense such as a single HS/popup.
basically, its my theory that starcore got better at building by making the starcore v.1 ai pack, then making other bots to challenge them, getting better every time.
So in my head, I thought that if this worked for starcore, it might work for me.
yup you got it right
make sure to make your pack interesting and USEFUL to the community though. If you do all this work it's better to release a pack that people will use.
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Ok, I think it's time for a tiny rant
Since when in ra2 did you get sent to the slaughterhouse for building something fun? It quite clearly states it was an experiment, so there's no need to be assertive about it, I just thought of an idea, and built it, and thought it could be done better by other builders, as stated in my original post. Since when was it a sin to muck around and see what can be done, and tbh I'm not one of these venko types in the bot lab who takes decades, I have other things to do
[\rant mainly directed at Kurts post]
It doesn't help the fact that I can't get any bloody sleep as well, IRL issues, don't ask
- well my blood pressures lowered thanks to the magic of the kettle and tea bags (inb4 goes in OOC), now, it was never going anywhere anyway, it's pretty bad but I wanted it to be in the style of a ninja
And, also, (it's probably rubbish compared to your standards), I've made an ok gutripper FS, will post tommorow.
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Ok, I think it's time for a tiny rant
Since when in ra2 did you get sent to the slaughterhouse for building something fun? It quite clearly states it was an experiment, so there's no need to be assertive about it, I just thought of an idea, and built it, and thought it could be done better by other builders, as stated in my original post. Since when was it a sin to muck around and see what can be done, and tbh I'm not one of these venko types in the bot lab who takes decades, I have other things to do
[\rant mainly directed at Kurts post]
I think it's the nature of the building style. Stock is all about efficiency, so if you build something inefficient, people are going to criticise you for it, and some more harshly than others. You shouldn't let people put you off doing what you want to do, though, else you'll never have any fun.
Almost everyone who commented on your bot gave you some advice to make it more effective. You can choose not to take the advice, if you don't want to, but remember that advice was posted for a good reason, to help you make your bot more effective.
It's late-ish and I can't be bothered to proof-read. If I said anything that sounded like I was attacking you or whatever, it was entirely unintentional.
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Ok, I think it's time for a tiny rant
Since when in ra2 did you get sent to the slaughterhouse for building something fun? It quite clearly states it was an experiment, so there's no need to be assertive about it, I just thought of an idea, and built it, and thought it could be done better by other builders, as stated in my original post. Since when was it a sin to muck around and see what can be done, and tbh I'm not one of these venko types in the bot lab who takes decades, I have other things to do
[\rant mainly directed at Kurts post]
It doesn't help the fact that I can't get any bloody sleep as well, IRL issues, don't ask
ohsh** he did it
naryar novel about how much you should be able to take criticism in 3....2....1....
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Ok, I think it's time for a tiny rant
Since when in ra2 did you get sent to the slaughterhouse for building something fun? It quite clearly states it was an experiment, so there's no need to be assertive about it, I just thought of an idea, and built it, and thought it could be done better by other builders, as stated in my original post. Since when was it a sin to muck around and see what can be done, and tbh I'm not one of these venko types in the bot lab who takes decades, I have other things to do
[\rant mainly directed at Kurts post]
I think it's the nature of the building style. Stock is all about efficiency, so if you build something inefficient, people are going to criticise you for it, and some more harshly than others. You shouldn't let people put you off doing what you want to do, though, else you'll never have any fun.
Almost everyone who commented on your bot gave you some advice to make it more effective. You can choose not to take the advice, if you don't want to, but remember that advice was posted for a good reason, to help you make your bot more effective.
It's late-ish and I can't be bothered to proof-read. If I said anything that sounded like I was attacking you or whatever, it was entirely unintentional.
Nah it was mostly directed at kurt, he annoys me because he almost speaks in a superior manner:
WTF is this?
Almost immediately indicates that the bot is rubbish and almost confused as to what it is, we all started somewhere, you know
The spinning part is going to hit nothing, and those Samurai Swords will do squat to literally any Stock HW.
It's underweight, underprotected, and the chassis is too big,
Positive constructive critisism is better rather than just stating the things that need done, naryars was perfect, just the right tick I between constructive, positive, stern and kind at the same time
Maybe it's just me
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>kurt
>superior
>stock
>any year
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WORDS B^U
But everything in Kurt's post was legitimate advice, even if he wasn't exactly the clearest about it. It seems that you had weight left over, so you slapped a spinner on top and said "that oughta do it!" Even after that you STILL have something like 60-70kg left but that's beside the point. The spinner on top is pointless and tacked on.
What you should do, is plan out a design before you go and build the actual robot, so you don't end up with a random chassis with components in it. Eventually you'll just memorize the weights/rough dimensions of all the components and be able to make a tight enough chassis in a few tries, but for now work on figuring out how to reduce the amount of empty space in the chassis and how to properly implement what you want into this design (in this case, figure out how to lower the spinner so it actually hits things).
this post was a good use of 10 minutes
>kurt
>superior
>stock
>any year
Please do not abuse imageboard quoting feature.
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I fail to see what is wrong with kurt's former post. The latter it is another thing.
Also what AS said was all good.
Now for actually detailed advice
-use shiny wheels please, you definitely need more kg's for an hybrid like that, there you just won 16kg or such, maybe 20
-if you really want to make a katana popup then attach them directly to the snappers. I suppose you can't do that currently, then snapper load the snappers and attach them when they are up in the air, there you just won 8kg
-It is uuuunnderrrrweiiiiight so make it a dual spinner instead of a single spinner
-samurai swords are pretty damn bad for HS, use razors
-does it have 3 or 4 blacks ? it should be able to work with 3 blacks.
-if you have weight left you can try one ramplate on the front.
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No, it's just that I respond better to positive feedback, and always have done, it's just the way my brain works, and how I have been brought up, but I will implement the changes