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Robot Arena => Showcases => Stock Showcases => Topic started by: Merrick on March 27, 2013, 12:11:45 PM

Title: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 27, 2013, 12:11:45 PM
Right. As soon as I found DSL, I've used it completely exclusively, so I can't rememeber the last time I loaded up some stock to build with.

The tournament set up by ianh05 gave me some motivation to do so, and MY GOD I DON'T LIKE IT HELP.


Gonna take some serious getting used to........
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Mr. AS on March 27, 2013, 01:54:02 PM
on the AW you really dont need those casters. the best defense is a good offense.

the rear spike on the BW is also useless. concentrate you weapons to the front unless you intend on making a sns (which i take it you arent). your wheels also shouldnt be inside the chassis like that since you are wasting chassis weight.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Venko on March 27, 2013, 01:55:42 PM
Give us a screenshots of the insides and tell us the weight and the armour You chosen.
You don't need to build IRL in stock, You can overlap as many parts as You want.
As for these bots, they are compact and an average for now, try to put more weapons and more dmg dealing weapons.
Also, check the tutorials around which parts to use and which not.
Some part in stock are totally crap.
And I like the coffin BW, as an art.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 27, 2013, 01:58:41 PM
Not bad at all for a start!!

The AW could definitely benefit from a smaller chassis. With a smaller chassis, you could add another weapon if you intend to retain the casters.

The BW is a different design from the standard. I can't help but to think the bot would be much better with both weapons on the front of e bot. Chassis could be smaller on this one as well. Also, pole spikes are pretty sucky.

The LW is a nice attempt at a suitable FS. Could use some more protection or a wedge with that setup. Weight can be gained by choosing shines for wheels and a smaller, form fitting chassis.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Naryar on March 27, 2013, 04:04:00 PM
Ninja stars are utter and complete crap.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 27, 2013, 11:35:53 PM
Ah, yes, apologies for not including any weights and internal shots. I was in a rush to upload and post before I left for work.

Anyway, I've spent the last hour or so taking on board some of the comments and have rebuilt Bolt and Point Blank.

Not gonna be fun trying not to stick parts on for show (like the pointy spikes) and not adhering to my beloved realism.  :dumb)

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/TwonkySigs/BoltAW_zpse20d1d25.png)

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/TwonkySigs/BoltAWInside_zps0ecb5451.png)

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/TwonkySigs/PointBlankLW_zps2bd6ac9a.png)

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/TwonkySigs/PointBlankLwInside_zps40ef76f2.png)

Accidently cropped out Point Blank's weight, but it's 247.9.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 28, 2013, 12:23:25 AM
lol double post


how do i robot plz

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/TwonkySigs/Phenomena_zpsae3437cc.png)

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/TwonkySigs/PhenomenaMWInside_zps6e9a9e38.png)


That's enough for one night. Or morning. It's 5:30am. Joy.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 28, 2013, 12:11:12 PM
OK SO...

- In both cases, smaller chassis are needed
- Disc fully exposed horizontally = BAD
- Stock is not like DSL.....more pinks = more bad, stick to 1 nifty in LWs as standard, 1 supervolt in MW, 2 supervolt in HW.....
- Stacking is your friend
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 28, 2013, 12:26:22 PM
OK SO,

- I shrunk the AW chassis to as small as I could get it while still being able to fit stuff in there. I literally could not shrink it anymore.

- I cannot fit larger batteries in there and still fit the  :realmad( ing control board and drive and literally EVERYTHING ELSE in there, while still keeping the chassis as small as I can get.

- I have no idea what stacking is.


How the heck is it feasible to say that I need a smaller chassis, but a larger battery than the one that I'm using? Am I just retarded?

Ok guys, sorry this was a bad idea I'mma stick to DSL realistic style bye.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2013, 12:48:18 PM
Just make your chassis bigger to accommodate the battery. When people tell you to make a smaller chassis, they mean leave less empty space in the chassis, which usually means making the chassis smaller. As for stacking, Sage has an excellent series of short videos explaining various stock glitches, which I recommend you check out.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Venko on March 28, 2013, 02:27:08 PM
Don't quit. You have skills, your bots have a cool style, cool skins, small chassis, You get the concepts of the bot types and so... The only thing You need is to exchange some components and that's it. If You can't stack and do glitches, You can do rammers and pokers for now. For example, the SoZ bot needs only:
exchange the wedge for the other small one;
use a black battery instead of all these pinks;
use a snapper2 instead of s. II;
put a ramplate in the front;
use the DSA
and that's it. It's not that bad for a start.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: ianh05 on March 28, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
For your AW, try to replicate this chassis:

https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/AW/ianh05_AW%20-%20TriForce.bot (https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/AW/ianh05_AW%20-%20TriForce.bot)

You can stack a pink battery in the CB and place the CB under the drive motors you also only need 1 baseplate anchor to mount the razors by using 2 extenders, one facing out with a razor on the end and one going horizontal on the end-most side attachment point and placing 2 razors going outward in-line with the first razor.

Do all this and you will most likely save enough weight for a 4th razor with can be attached just like the first one facing outwards and going back towards the chassis.

Please don't give up on stock yet, we need all the builders we can get  :thumbup
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 28, 2013, 06:48:46 PM
let it be known that mazakari is 4
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2013, 06:54:34 PM
Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 28, 2013, 06:48:46 PM
let it be known that mazakari is 4
Seems legit.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 28, 2013, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 28, 2013, 06:48:46 PM
let it be known that mazakari is 4

That's a little harsh.

My 8th birthday is in two weeks.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 09:59:21 AM
ok maz bro. go have fun with your weak dsl ish and feel free to try again when your cajones show up
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 29, 2013, 10:39:28 AM
But I'm female, that's not happening. :(
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 11:24:35 AM
yeah uhh.... you're not doing yourself any favors bro. this is why people who are "good" at dsl are usually terrible in stock if they did not learn how to build in correct sequence

have fun princess
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Naryar on March 29, 2013, 11:53:53 AM
I don't get you infff

You're saying you want to revive stock yet you apparently try to drive away people from it ? What the heck ?

Quote from: Mazakari on March 29, 2013, 10:39:28 AM
But I'm female, that's not happening. :(

wait what

Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Domanating on March 29, 2013, 12:01:09 PM
I sense trolling
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Sage on March 29, 2013, 01:03:53 PM
Quote from: Naryar on March 29, 2013, 11:53:53 AM
I don't get you infff

You're saying you want to revive stock yet you apparently try to drive away people from it ? What the heck ?

Quote from: Mazakari on March 29, 2013, 10:39:28 AM
But I'm female, that's not happening. :(

wait what



Inf posted two very nice, very constructive posts. Maz didn't like the criticism, and inf called him out on it.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 29, 2013, 01:15:25 PM
It's just frustrating that I thought I'd done stuff right and picked up on points that I've been reading while I was an unregistered lurker for a couple of months.

I apologize.

I thought I'd done stuff right, and I can't get my head around how to integrate these changes. They don't make any sense to me.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Naryar on March 29, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
Edit : Nevermind, I seem to have missed the first page.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: ianh05 on March 29, 2013, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Mazakari on March 29, 2013, 01:15:25 PM
It's just frustrating that I thought I'd done stuff right and picked up on points that I've been reading while I was an unregistered lurker for a couple of months.

I apologize.

I thought I'd done stuff right, and I can't get my head around how to integrate these changes. They don't make any sense to me.

Quote from: ianh05 on March 28, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
For your AW, try to replicate this chassis:

https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/AW/ianh05_AW%20-%20TriForce.bot (https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Exchange/AW/ianh05_AW%20-%20TriForce.bot)

You can stack a pink battery in the CB and place the CB under the drive motors you also only need 1 baseplate anchor to mount the razors by using 2 extenders, one facing out with a razor on the end and one going horizontal on the end-most side attachment point and placing 2 razors going outward in-line with the first razor.

Do all this and you will most likely save enough weight for a 4th razor with can be attached just like the first one facing outwards and going back towards the chassis.

Please don't give up on stock yet, we need all the builders we can get  :thumbup

I didn't think this is was hard to understand. I think it's time for people to man (or woman) up and try to learn stock instead of taking the easy way out and going DSL only.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Jonzu95 on March 29, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
I know that Mazakari is aiming for IRL style in Stock too, so I wouldn't whine about building correctly.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
Stock has never been about IRL soo he's not posting here because of that.

Im willing to help people who want to learn and know how to take criticism CONTRUCTIVELY and apply it to how they approach their builds

I see awesomesauce and fracture and guys like that who have come a long way and put a lot of EFFORT into improving thier stock reputation and it has paid off.

This game needs as many good builders as it can right now I take a straight line approach on helping people towards becoming credible stock builders
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Mr. AS on March 29, 2013, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Mazakari on March 29, 2013, 10:39:28 AM
But I'm female, that's not happening. :(
grow a pair of breasts then? idk

Quote from: Mazakari on March 29, 2013, 01:15:25 PM
I thought I'd done stuff right, and I can't get my head around how to integrate these changes. They don't make any sense to me.
http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm)
youre welcome.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Naryar on March 29, 2013, 07:29:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. AwesumSauce on March 29, 2013, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Mazakari on March 29, 2013, 10:39:28 AM
But I'm female, that's not happening. :(
grow a pair of breasts then? idk

Oh yes, tits or gtfo.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on March 29, 2013, 07:48:37 PM
I fail to see why "resorting to DSL only" is a bad thing. Some people just prefer DSL because it's much less complex and time consuming.

And I know Inf's gonna try to argue that stacking and snapper/axle loading aren't time consuming and to that, I just have to say that we aren't all as talented as Inf and most probably never will be. He's considered an RA2 God for a reason...

Oh and to Maz... I feel you may have been mislead by what you saw when you were just lurking. You most likely saw the majority building IRL DSL and that may have caused the confusion. There are three very different main types of building...

You have stock, which is completely unrealistic. There may be one or two IRL stock builders, but it's not widely accepted.

You have standard DSL, which the bot is made to be as deadly as possible without using the game glitches to build your robot. Standard DSL seems to be a lost art.

And lastly, you have IRL DSL, which you build robots to be as realistic as possible. This has been the most active type of building as of late and that is what you have excelled at most.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Thyrus on March 29, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
Stock has never been about IRL

I don`t think the programers of Robot Arena had 36 macespinners and popups in theire mind when they did the game.
Just look at the stock AI and you`ll see what they were aiming for
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 09:22:37 PM
I dont know why I bother then...
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 29, 2013, 10:07:48 PM
I can see numerous points here which need addressing, and I feel I should clarify a few things.
(especially about my gender. I am indeed male, I was just being a bit of a douche.

I did indeed take the
Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 28, 2013, 12:11:12 PM
OK SO...
post as a little bit condescending. Almost like a 'here we go again, time to list off reasons why somebody is wrong' post.
I probably took this completely the wrong, and I have apologized for my behaviour. I got a little sucked into what seems to me to be an almost hostile/toxic section of the forums, and overreacted. Sometimes I have seen criticism to be very harsh.
A little let down that my apology hasn't even been noted, let alone accepted, however.

Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
Stock has never been about IRL soo he's not posting here because of that.

I'm clearly in the wrong place then.

I love IRL and strongly dislike the idea of building unrealistic popups and suchlike with maces and razors passing through absolutely everything in the name of competition.


Maybe I'm just too naive and new to know any better than a 'showcase' being somewhere to display completed 'exhibits' and suchlike, and not to have half a dozen people who compete and argue over a 10 year old game tell you that you're not using the right battery.  :ermm:

Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 09:22:37 PM
I dont know why I bother then...

Because in any other situation, your advice would have been perfectly valid and informative. To any other forum member.

Unfortunately, I jumped straight on the defensive, completely needlessly, instead of actually making a constructive post.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 10:19:55 PM
you're weak. you have no idea what its like to be ripped. the vets I was ripped by back in the day? JimXorb? Metal Virus? Would you want me to treat you like Pyscolone treated newbs? sheesh. I was giving you advice. Straight up. if you take every little thing I say and interpret as passive aggressive (which you completely are) then you are completely mistaken. I have always been blunt and straight forward. get used to it
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Kossokei on March 29, 2013, 10:38:31 PM
Stock can be effective and realistic at the same time;

See: Clickbeetle's Stock Showcase

Also, Mazakari, you build whatever you damn well please. If Stock or DSL even had to be competitive, then IRL wouldn't be as prominent as it is right now, Art bots wouldn't exist and building for the rule of cool wouldn't exist either. You cannot get banned from GTM for building artsy, non-competitive bots, DSL OR Stock. I know this because Domanating's bots (Or most of them, anyway) are ineffective and look really cool yet we still always love his bots.

You're taking this blunt advice a lot better than the other newbies who'd gotten it. F33l speshul

So, make replicas, make Stock IRL bots, make physics breaking 36-mace HS's or ub3rgh3y crawlers or freakbots. There'll be people who'll try, but no one's truly stopping you from doing so.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 29, 2013, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 10:19:55 PM
you're weak...blah blah blah.....I have always been blunt and straight forward. get used to it

I would expect something perhaps a little more courteous from a moderator.

I have not claimed that I am being ripped into.

I have said that I am mistaken, and that I have interpreted posts in the wrong way.

I have apologized and am willing to move on.

You, however, are continuing to beat your point into the ground, you refuse to even achknowledge that I'm taking responsibility for my actions and you are starting to become rather obnoxious about it.

I do not wish to start degrading into one of your little showcase flame wars that I've seen around from some users and trolls, but your attitude is starting to rile me.

Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Kossokei on March 29, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: Mazakari on March 29, 2013, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 10:19:55 PM
you're weak...blah blah blah.....I have always been blunt and straight forward. get used to it

I would expect something perhaps a little more courteous from a moderator.

I have not claimed that I am being ripped into.

I have said that I am mistaken, and that I have interpreted posts in the wrong way.

I have apologized and am willing to move on.

You, however, are continuing to beat your point into the ground, you refuse to even achknowledge that I'm taking responsibility for my actions and you are starting to become rather obnoxious about it.

I do not wish to start degrading into one of your little showcase flame wars that I've seen around from some users and trolls, but your attitude is starting to rile me.
Stop there.

Inf is a straight-foward type of person. No sugar coating, no creamer, no cranberry juice. You're getting the dough of the donut, the black of the coffee, the sting of the Vodka. I'll get back to that in a sec.

Inf is also not a moderator, but a veteran, and just as how there are no restrictions to what you can and cannot build, there are no restrictions (well, some) on the way that advice or criticism can be given. Like I said, Inf will slap you unto oblivion for the smallest and slightest of errors and getting defensive on him will spark a flame war, no matter how soft spoken you go about it.

He's also not about to say "okay apology accepted lets have a makeup session now" and will (WILL) keep telling you what you should do until you do it and it's your choice whether you do or do not. I suggest you drop the subject and keep trying.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 10:53:17 PM
ok chief whatever you say
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Mr. AS on March 29, 2013, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: Kossokei on March 29, 2013, 10:38:31 PM
Stock can be effective and realistic at the same time;

See: Clickbeetle's Stock Showcase
lol what? click doesnt build realistic. im pretty sure he did at one point back e-ages ago but most of his bots in his showcase are unrealistic.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 29, 2013, 10:54:20 PM
Erm.

Quote
Stock Showcase (Moderators: infiniteinertia, Pwnator)

But ok, if that's how it is, then I'll stop. No arguments there.

I'd like to request that this thread be locked, if at all possible.
There's really nothing more that can be said here. I'll keep building some stock machines, see if I can break my IRL habit, and come back to this section of the forum in a while to see if there are improvements.
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Kossokei on March 29, 2013, 10:58:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. AwesumSauce on March 29, 2013, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: Kossokei on March 29, 2013, 10:38:31 PM
Stock can be effective and realistic at the same time;

See: Clickbeetle's Stock Showcase
lol what? click doesnt build realistic. im pretty sure he did at one point back e-ages ago but most of his bots in his showcase are unrealistic.
yeah, the e-ages thing is what I'm referring to. And those were still mostly realistic and effective bots (however out of date they might be)

Quote from: Mazakari on March 29, 2013, 10:54:20 PM
Erm.

Quote
Stock Showcase (Moderators: infiniteinertia, Pwnator)

But ok, if that's how it is, then I'll stop. No arguments there.

I'd like to request that this thread be locked, if at all possible.
There's really nothing more that can be said here. I'll keep building some stock machines, see if I can break my IRL habit, and come back to this section of the forum in a while to see if there are improvements.
Whoops. I thought you meant glomod
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 10:59:42 PM
thats it.....you reallly want this thread locked......
Title: Re: The 'Mazakari can't built stock' showcase.
Post by: Merrick on March 29, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: infiniteinertia on March 29, 2013, 10:59:42 PM
thats it.....you reallly want this thread locked......

Yep. This is a trainwreck of a thread that wouldn't have lasted even half as long in any other forum I use. But then again, in the other forums I use, it doesn't tend to be the moderator involved in acting like a bit of a douche.
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