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Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« on: September 09, 2015, 09:46:46 AM »
I've had this game for 7 years, but didn't feel the need to make actual better bots until last year, so don't expect these to be competition ready.

First up, Nightshade, an MW VS that needed stabilizers due to it being very potent, as well as front heavy.



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Next up, Planet Earth, the only LW Popup that I know of...



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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2015, 09:53:04 AM »
im not too good at stock but these bots look very good, youve got great extender work and theres barely any left over space in the chassis, planet earth could use some more batteries but take what i say with a grain of salt cause like i said i aint a pro at stock.
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2015, 10:25:41 AM »
For first showcased bots these are decent. Good work :)

Nightshade looks very powerful. I think its achilles heel is that support work - extenders just aren't very durable, so once you lose them, the bot loses all control. I'd experiment with reworking the positioning of the weapon motors in orer to try and eliminate the need for the support, or losing weight somewhere in order to upgrade your stabilizers to something more sturdy. How may batteries does it have?

For Planet Earth, I feel you've invested too much weight into the weapon motors and not enough into other areas of the bot. The DDTs will give your weapons a lot of oomph but there are only 2 razors. While razors are good weapons, they are also weak, and as soon as you lose a razor, you're left with 30kg of DDT doing nothing, which you can't really afford at the LW class. Most LW popups will tend to only have one burst motor, and in turn that will usually be a Snapper2 as it weighs less.

I'd look at using one bust motor, attaching multiple weapons to it, and using the free weight to upgrade the quite slow drive, which is very important for popups in this weight class, especially the ones only with chassis wedges. On that, to give one final note, the bot is quite tall, which has resulted in quite a steep chassis wedge. It's usually better if you can make the wedge shallower, as bots will slide up it more easily.

It's a promising start, overall, as ecolusian says, you manage space well and that's one of the fundamentals of RA2 building.
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2015, 10:38:27 AM »
Nightshade looks good... Wait... Nightshade?


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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2015, 01:30:47 PM »
sorry, tibsy, I'm not up to date on my JonTron memes XD. I'll take that to heart GK, and also, the Snapper II's (the ones discovered by RFS) are considered stock right?
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2015, 01:51:48 PM »
They are - though don't use them as weapon burst motors.
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2015, 02:02:39 PM »
Okay. Meanwhile, the most generic MW Popup in the history of the world, Black & White!



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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2015, 02:09:14 PM »
How many batteries does it have?
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2015, 02:11:26 PM »
only one supervolt, but this thing destroys any stock ais it goes up against(i mean the stock ai, it's not that good vs say, starcore's bots).
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2015, 02:12:35 PM »
How many razors?

Trying to work out where the weight's gone.
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2015, 02:16:14 PM »
10. the weight you're thinking of is probably a 20kg ballast i needed to stabilze the thing. It was too front heavy otherwise.

ofc those razors are a total of 70kg so that may be it XD.
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2015, 02:25:51 PM »
This might be a tough thing to start out with, but if you're trying to get a good sense for a generic MW popup, check out the Pyscolone Popup Challenge: https://wiki.gametechmods.com/index.php?title=Pyscolone_Popup_Challenge

If you need an example I'm sure someone can find you one, but basically if you want a good starting point, here's VeXeD, which is slightly weight inefficient and has the wrong armor. https://wiki.gametechmods.com/index.php?title=VeXeD

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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2015, 02:26:35 PM »
Ah, it's a 20kg ballast...

I like the chassis shape you've gone for, it's a bit different from the conventional wedges we often see in MW popups.

How does it struggle against Starcore? Is it a wedge problem or is it HS that pose the most trouble?

Edit @Madman: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=3185.0
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2015, 02:29:07 PM »
HS. I just meant it doesn't utterly annihilate them XD. However, it does struggle sometimes with HSs.

btw, I've never understood how to stack supervolts. could someone explain it to me?
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2015, 02:37:53 PM »
I wonder if the chassis could be shallower than it is currently. If your chassis is at the lowest possible height it can be for the HPZ's to still fit, then Shiny Hub wheels will appear out of the top of the chassis, which they don't appear to do in your bot. A Shorter chassis will aid the shallowness, which would help at sliding under HS. I reckon you can pull the top of the chassis back further as well.

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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2015, 02:45:06 PM »
I may be able to lower the chassis one tick. I went through a phase for a while where i made all my bots 8 ticks tall(the lowest possible for a snapper2 on its top to fit). also, it may be the shortest that a control board on top of a supervolt will fit on.

Speaking of stacking things, an MW HS, Red Cross!




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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2015, 03:14:11 AM »
Nice. Looks like some of my first HS when I started building. Next step, try and stack 2 of those servo motors together, so your chassis only needs to be a T shape and not a cross. This will save weight, and also increase the reach of your weapons (at least on the side where you remove the servo).
Also, HP-zteks are probably not the best option for drive motors.
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2015, 08:56:06 AM »
ok, and maybe, just maybe, after that i MAYBE can stack an extra black in there too.

« Last Edit: September 10, 2015, 09:49:14 AM by Silverfish »
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2015, 09:56:44 AM »
Sorry for double post, but i think this is significant enough.

anyway, i modified nightshade according to G.K.'s suggestions, and here is the result:
Meet Nightshade Evo.



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Also, thank you sage! your tutorial actually taught me how to stack supervolts!
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Re: Silverfish's Stock Showcase
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2015, 12:32:55 PM »
can save a lot of weight by removing the extenders holding the zteks and just raising the anchors as high as they go
you'll have almost 20 kg free to do whatever after that. you can add irons instead of razors (or more razors) or motor guards or HPZ drive or whatever you want.
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