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Robot Arena => Showcases => Stock Showcases => Topic started by: infiniteinertia on May 17, 2008, 11:10:31 PM
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well me and sage do this little thing every other night or so where we pick a game (DSL or Stock) a weight class, and a type of bot, and see what can both come up with.
it was his idea to start a showcase where you can decide what was better executed.
So I guess I will start...
This challenge was DSL, Heavyweight, Drum
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/51448lambda.bmp)
yes, thats a drum.
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/22700screenshot_16.jpg)
mine. vote please.
(sorry not much time for a splash)
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i feel that i must vote for sage for his real bot. while II's may be more effective i like sages bot due to the fact that his is more mobile and has a better chance to when against diff type of bots. BTW i would like to get in on the contest not on the forums but just so i cant get instant feedback from 2 of the greats of the game
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I vote for II's bot for the looks and effectiveness.
Cuda: Sages bot is not real either, take a look how the batteries go trough the belt.
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true i am drunk and didnt see this. but a little remaking of the batt placing and it is. so ha. lol jk
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II's one is more a VS than a drum. Even if I think that AIed, II's bot would win. Besides, the front panels used for wedges dont' look very effective as wedges.
If the bot type was unspecified i'll vote Inf's one. because he is a VS and have wedges. and damn good servo enhanced motor.
But Sage's one is fastest, have more defense, still decent offense, and is a real drum.
So I vote Sage's one.
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Inf, as Naryar said, I like certain things about both. But I didn't know the specific criterion/criteria we were to use to evaluate them as "DSL, Heavyweight, Drum
".. Was it aesthetics, realism, 'apparent' effectiveness, or all the above? I think they both would be effective, and would like to see them head to head... (because I've often guessed wrong by just looking at a pic).
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Well, I suppose the three base bot characteristics (offense, defense, mobility) and the aesthetics too.
Inf's bot is obviously more offensive than Sage's, but less mobile (Sage's one looks invertible) and less defensive. Uh, I dont know about what armor you guys put on your bots.
And it looks Inf's one is seriously underpowered... or did you stacked some orange batts?
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mine has 5 orange batts i believe...could be six...1mm aluminum armor.
sage's armor makes it alot harder to defeat, with the snowplows and i believe he uses 5mm titanium or something like that...
ill make a second version to my bot eventually, defintely has tome things that can be improved, and it still has weight left.
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I like your categories of assessment, Naryar.
Inf/Sage, I like your idea of matching 2 bots up.
It's just another idea, but maybe you could list certain categories of evaluation, and then ask for a number rating (between 1-5?) within each category. Then total them up for a winner.
Maybe also, after the evalutaions are in and winner chosen, you could actually match them up head to head in a best-out-of-3 (or 5) series to see how accurate our assessments were. Sort of a "1 on 1" ongoing Tourney, where 2 guys could try out their bots, have an ego-buster match, or just for the fun of the building and competition....
Because the usual Tournies are both spaced out in time and also allow only 1 entry, this would provide a nice avenue to test out some of our bots on a more regular basis. I myself have about a dozen bots I could enter into tourneys (but don't yet know how well they'd do). And also, then the Showcased bots could have an avenue of actual testing beyond just visual.
Just a thought....
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I prefer inf's, it looks a lot more intimidating.
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Well Madiaba it wasnt mine, i feeded from Korium9's RA2 Walkthrough and they come from here.
Offense => Damage potential, easiness to hit the other bot's chassis, rate of fire.
Defense => Armor, and supplementary defenses (weapon's wall, ramplates, plows), stability
Mobility=> Speed, turn speed, but also invertiblity
And I agree, you could enter more than 2 contestants... example, you enter a weight, and a type of bot or one of the characteristic just said before. And then people send you their matching bots, and we vote.
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its not really a contest. just a thing we do. if we wanted to get a small group going that would be cool, but not like a whole tourney. thats bot of the month material.
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Ok, Sage. I'll hit up ACAMS with the idea then.
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if u cant see it, my drum has 4 halfsheets on the bottom, making the bottom invincible. it is really hard to kill.
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this was another challenge we did.
Stock, LW, Piston Poker/Rammer
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/20015skorpion.bmp)
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/63603notsip.jpg)
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Huh. You guys know i have one, but it is way inferior...excepted on speed, i guess...
Pretty nice there. The two are good, but I guess Inf's is the best engineered. VERY few empty space.
Besides, Inf's one is overpowered and Sage's one has more effective weapons and more side armor (good for preventing the loss of a wheel). But Sage's weaponry is more fragile than Inf's.
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This two bots seems like DRAW to me :grin:
Why dont just test them vs each other and see who will win?
But good bots anyway...
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i think just about everything naryar said is wrong.
if anything sages has a quarter of an inch more side protection.
sages bot is underpowered with two purple batteries.
pointy tips are actually very effective as a ramming/poking weapon.
both weapons are equally fragile.
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Two purple batteries are way enough for 2 RADs.
Two pinks: imput +200
2 Rads: imput -160
One nifty: +400
Got this from Clickbeetle's site. But actually the nifty weights the same as 2 pinks, so...
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YEA... This that Naryar say its true so...
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go a 3 minute match with just rads and two pinks and you tell me what you think
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Weirdly enough, I once powered a 4 hp ztek spinner with two pinks. It had Rad drive.
I still don't know how the heck that worked.
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Two purple batteries are way enough for 2 RADs.
Two pinks: imput +200
2 Rads: imput -160
One nifty: +400
Got this from Clickbeetle's site. But actually the nifty weights the same as 2 pinks, so...
Yeah, but you also gotta take into account the total power. Small battery packs have 7000 total electricity, and Nifties have 24000. Two SBPs have 14000 total, so they last just a little more than half as long as a Nifty. It's pretty much the bare minimum for a LW--it works fine, but after 3 minutes you'll be visibly slowing down.
That said, I think inf's bot is nicer. They're both great, but the fact that inf's weapons are more protected behind the casters while retracted and he has the more efficient space utilization makes it a little bit better I think.
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Weirdly enough, I once powered a 4 hp ztek spinner with two pinks. It had Rad drive.
I still don't know how the heck that worked.
Magic?
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IMAO Sage gave away the possibility to win this round, because with a little bit moving the pinks forward and forming the back of the chassis just around the airtank, he would be able to put more weapons. II's bot is more compact, so he was able to use one component more, than Sage and still having the same number of weapons plus a bigger battery.
So I vote for Infinite's bot.
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Well I didnt thinked of the total power. You guys have a point...
I was talking of that too, protected weapons. Did you stacked air tanks Inf? Because in 2 minutes of forced poking the air is depleted with your spear risking being inside and weapon harmless.. But it is nethertheless two very good designs.
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"The more is, the more is"
Winnie-the-Pooh
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even if sage moved his battery forwards, hed have to use more chassis points.
i think another challenge me and sage did was 2 MW DSL F.B.S. each, i'll get those up later.
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so we didnt post the MW DSL FBS yet, but we have this HW VS we made. check it out. (already posted in my showcase)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/12374Untitled-TrueColor-01.jpg)
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and mineeee
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/60593Vertical Horizon.bmp)
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I vote Infin's bot because it seems it would be more effective and looks like it took alot of time.
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remember people, his is only 2wd, if you cant see.
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since when does 4wd on a VS mean better?
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Methinks sage's might be slightly better, but Inf's rips the crap out of it in looks. Win Infiniteinertia.
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Inf has a point. VS aren't supposed to be very fast. My MW VS with bursted HPZtek drive knows this...
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i never meant to say 4wd is better, but you cant really see from those pics. didnt want you thinking his was 4wd too.
i vote for inf here too, just fyi.
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Inf's. Looks better protected, better built, and more stable.
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I think this round goes to Infinite. However I like the extender works of Sage too.
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Inf, finally. The frontal V shape is useful for blocking HS, and I like the visual more.
The triangular shaping of the bot makes for more stability and the bracket wedges too.
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II's is awesome! Both bots would probably own though. I want to see the FBS one you mentioned II. How does Sage's bot work for 3 minutes with a total of 6 HP-Zteks on just ONE Black battery
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II's is awesome! Both bots would probably own though. I want to see the FBS one you mentioned II. How does Sage's bot work for 3 minutes with a total of 6 HP-Zteks on just ONE Black battery
there are 2 black batts stacked. its 8 hpz's.
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Oh, I didn't read the name part. I also forgot that the weapon was 4, not 2
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attacking opponent with VS spiners, is very important to keep a stability and Inf do it well...very nice looking robot
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/33394Wipeout.jpg)
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/49252Untitled-1.jpg)
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I like Inf's
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I don't like either one!
They look like they could cause severe damage to my poor ole bots.
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I like sages by looks only. They were a tie in terms of design.
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Goddamn caster armor. Inf's wins due to letting absolutely no damage be done by rammers.
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I totally agree
Inf wins cos of the caster armor and cool skin.
Their both awesome bots though.
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sage wins because I'm sure in a fight his would pwn due to uber wedges.
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Hmmm... thats difficult. They both look very effective and cool but I think I would say sage's bot.
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Actually, my wedges on this bot are better than any of my other bots. my wedges are better than sage's and I'd fight to prove it.
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Well you guys should fight then, it would probably be very interesting. Maybe make a video of it or something.
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From my experience, wedges on green snappers are always better, but for sake of building, I'd be glad to be proven wrong, because blue ones are much lighter and they have that extra attachment point. Some battleshots of his wedges vs. your wedges would be nice.
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Sage. Cooler-looking.
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My bot gets under NWB all the time, they are my best wedges. I don't know why but maybe it is just perfect weight distribution.
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.. its the castersss
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I'm always searching for the Scroll of Wedge Efficiency.
(excepted in DSL)
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I am having a brain fart, what is NWB
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Neglected WaterBug
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Ahhhh... Good Bots!:-D:-D:-D
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YAY. i win 4-3.
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I'm always searching for the Scroll of Wedge Efficiency.
(excepted in DSL)
Sorry, your princess is in another castle.
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^FAIL^
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NWB? personally i didnt think she was that good. maybe i'm remembering a different bot. long time since ive played RA2
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Neglected Waterbug? Not that good?
This bot owns.
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I want to do this against someone. whos game?
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you cant just ask who's game, you have to challenge someone!
(official challenge thread w/ rankings anyone??)
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you cant just ask who's game, you have to challenge someone!
(official challenge thread w/ rankings anyone??)
DOITDOITDOITDOITDOIT
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go ahead
which means YES DO IT
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Yeah. I'd love to see this get off of the ground again.
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DO IT DO IT DO IT WHILE I STILL HAVE A WEEK OF SEMESTER BREAK
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DO IT I'd love to do this!
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I pick both.
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I actually might be up for this too.
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I'd do it !
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DO IT DO IT DO IT WHILE I STILL HAVE A WEEK OF SEMESTER BREAK
I want him to do it as well whilst I have 1 week off school because it's half-term.
...And then maybe you and me could have our little "wedge war". :P
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If this goes ahead then count me in :P
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DO IT EVEN THOUGH I'D PROBABLY SUCK BUT OH WELL IT'TL BE FUN!
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I'm working on ACAMS to give me my own Thread under "Tournaments and Contests" section but he's being stubborn :3
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that would be brilliant, but why not just put it somewhere else in the meantime?
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Fineeeeee
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Its because it is probably to similar to BOTM.
Tips to make it different:
Make it biweekly. Set the challenge and everyone has one week to post a bot. Then Sage or someone posts all of the bots in one post and starts a poll for 3 or 4 days. Winner gets to choose the next challenge, and points are kept. There can be some form of prize at the end of a time perioed for points, and they can get a prize.
My proposal:
Person sets challenge.
Challenge will be open for posting Sunday to Sunday
Poll is started Monday and goes through Friday.
Winner must declare challenge before Sunday or challenge will be declared by Sage, or whoever runs thread.
Challenge will be declared open, upon which people post their bots
More bots entered=more points
If 12 bots are entered, winner gets 12 points. 2nd place gets 11 parts, etc.
Points are kept over a period of 6 months, and winner gets some kind of prize.
Sound good?
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I like that.
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Oh I almost forgot. It should alternate Stock and DSL until Backlash is released. When Backlash comes out, it can be included in the cycle.