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Robot Arena => Showcases => Stock Showcases => Topic started by: nightcracker on June 11, 2011, 06:31:54 AM
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Alright, here it goes!
My first bot, iNCinerator. Not completely content yet. Paintjob still pending :) It's pretty much a copy from NFX's popup.
Weapons: 14 razors on two DDT's
Wedges: OK!
Defense: 6 ramplates + 2 60cm blades
Drivetrain: 4WD but it can't drive in a straight line (it has a pretty bad offset to the left, backwards worse then forward, care to explain?)
Power: 2 Big Volt's
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/66616iNCineration.png)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62708iNCineration_insides.png)
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60cm razors?
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60cm razors?
Probably means blades.
Very nice first bot, the drive offset is something that often happens with bursted drive, hence why I just use axle loaded rows of drive.
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Indeed, ment blades. And the drive ain't bursted, it's Snapper II'd.
Erp, I meant that; mounting your drive on servo's save weight but there are many trade-offs.
I'm guessing the ramplates are attached to the Snappers as well. Not always the best setup (I use 90 degree baseplate anchors adjacent to the from then attach some round extenders to them for mounting them) if you have some space but it's a decent way of mounting them.
EDIT: Why'd ya delete your post?
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I did because someone (omg nice memory there) corrected me that bursted = snapper'd.
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Is there a permanent fix for AGOD? My bot suffers from it badly and without pause break my bot is completely worthless.
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Looks like a pretty good first bot to me. =] I have the same veering left problem with Halestorm 7, I think it's a case of AGOD, personally. If you're only using two Blackvolts, then I'd suggest Stacking them together. If you've attached the outer Ramplates with Baseplate Anchors, then you might want to attach the middle two with Baseplate Anchors as well. If you've attached them to the SnapperII's with 20cm extenders, then you could also drop the blades to 40cm to get the extra 4kg you need for it.
Sadly, there's no surefire cure for AGOD. There is a theory that exporting and importing into another empty slot in your bot lab will solve it, but I can't vouch for that, personally, as it hasn't worked for me.
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Quick proof of concept for a (potentially) better popup (plow is optional):
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/87773concept.png)
Yes, I know there is one regular Z-tek there, it was just a placeholder.
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Minus the plow that's pretty much the setup I used on "Generic Popup" :P
(yes I have a bot called generic popup)
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What will be the effect of the plow on a popup? I think that, if placed properly, it gives you one or more perfect shots at the bottom of the enemy and potentially KO them instantly.
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Quick proof of concept for a (potentially) better popup (plow is optional):
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/87773concept.png)
Yes, I know there is one regular Z-tek there, it was just a placeholder.
That's fine for a static drive popup.
What will be the effect of the plow on a popup? I think that, if placed properly, it gives you one or more perfect shots at the bottom of the enemy and potentially KO them instantly.
R4 style blades are good for that too but weigh slightly more, however they tend to be less inclined to be destroyed by a HS.
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A plow can be used for such a purpose, but a better plan is to have something that holds them at a raised angle, such as the "ears" on R4 in BBEANS5, or the wamming rack on Parabolic Trajectory 2 in my showcase. Plows don't have a large enough radius to actually scoop the opponent up, they tend to ram headfirst into it instead. Also, plows aren't as good as you'd expect, they only have 100HP for some reason, so I'd stick to Ramplates for Popup defense.
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Alright, here it goes!
Drivetrain: 4WD but it can't drive in a straight line (it has a pretty bad offset to the left, backwards worse then forward, care to explain?)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/66616iNCineration.png)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62708iNCineration_insides.png)
When motors are stacked like that, it causes problems....BUT I bet you have one of the motors wired wrong causing the problem. Go double check the wiring.
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I triplechecked the wiring, and it's fine. I can give you the .bot and perhaps you can fix it?
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I'm about 90-something percent certain that it's AGOD causing the problem.
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Just attach your drive to the baseplate. Problem solved.
I don't think you really need wheelguards like this as well.
Anyways, well done for doing your lurking well. That would be very good for an average newcomer... but you are most certainly not one, so I guess good building is to be expected.
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Lol I'm not an average newcomer :baffled:
I made the drivetrain a LOT better. At first this couldn't drive straight, but now it can because I rotated the wheels o.0
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/87745concept.png)
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Whoa wut happened
At this rate you're probably better off with a T chassis instead of a U chassis.
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I don't think so, the wheels are VERY safe from threats now, and just wait until I finished the snapper loading a bit.
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I don't think so, the wheels are VERY safe from threats now, and just wait until I finished the snapper loading a bit.
In a battle... losing one wheel vs having the heart of your robot destroyed (the chassis) will give you more of a fighting chance.
I know that it does not correspond with real life logic (RA2 for yah) But, having the wheels take damage first is more productive in this case.
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I doubt it, often you will lose not one, but two wheels at a time or right after eachother. Without drivetrain a popup is virtually worthless.
But I'll experiment with it.
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I doubt it, often you will lose not one, but two wheels at a time or right after eachother. Without drivetrain a popup is virtually worthless.
But I'll experiment with it.
And without a chassis, every bot is useless.
You may be able to drive it with up+down to make it go sidewards and rotate so it goes head-on if possible.
But i suggest using a t-chassis as the bot is more protected from the side (in my mind it is :P) and it seems that your wheels are too far apart to drive (no idea why, blame RA2 physics) and it will weigh less. Plus change the plow for something else (as many others have already said).
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Alright, iNCinerator v2! (paint job still pending)
Featuring:
No more AGOD! Yay!
Weapons: 14 razors on two DDT's
Wedges: I guess OK
Defense: 6 ramplates + 2 60cm blades
Drivetrain: 4WD and drives straight (well, 95%, backwards is horrible)
Power: 2 Big Volt's
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/71601iNCineration2.png)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/32610iNCineration2.png)
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Awesome, if any HW Popup is awesome now-un-days.
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Looks excellent. =] Might be a touch underpowered, but you've used the weight well.
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Underpowered, how so?
And would sacrificing 2 razor tips for 80cm wedges + 60cm razors be worth it?
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60cm Blades. People might get confused, normally razors means Razor Tips.
And 4HPZ's and 2DDT's draw between 850 and 1200 Power, a Blackvolt supplies 400, so you'd preferably need 3 to have max power. You can get by with only 2, but your hits will get significantly weaker as the match goes on, so you'd best make sure you can end the match quick.
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Let me try and stack in that third black.
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There's just something I love about HW Popups, probably because they're something I can't build. Only think I can think of is what's already been said which is to try and get a third black in there
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=S I can't get them to stack, I've tried every possibility with my pixel perfect tool. Am I doing something wrong? (Yes, I am fully zoomed using the overview/chassis zoom trick).
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Try rotating the top down view through 180 degrees. That usually helps. And they sometimes won't stack if the chassis is absolutely pixel perfect. So in this case, your helpful tool is more of a hindrance. =] Oh, the irony.
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How useful are blades on the extenders of the wedges? Do they really help a lot? They can easily take up 20-24kg.
EDIT: Another question, is the samurai blade considered "stock" and "legal"?
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Samurai blades are AI Parts. Normally AI Parts are allowed, but it's not the best choice of weapons you have.
Blades on the wedges do help prevent the vulnerable and weak extenders from coming off when fighting a particularly low HS.
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I think I'm going to do a chassis revamp, a bit like neglected waterbug-style.
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@NFX, The samurai blade is a pretty light tall component with 1000HP. How can I ask for more?
iNCineration 3!
Featuring:
No AGOD!
Weapons: 13 razors on two DDT's (yes I know, uneven amount ugh)
Wedges: Bye bye Neglected Waterbug!
Defense: 5 ramplates and hollow chassis
Drivetrain: 4WD and drives straight forward, backwards is horrible
Power: 3 Big Volt's
Special feature: Sword preventing bots going over mine (sort of)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/83970iNCineration3.png)
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That's a pretty good use for the Samurai Sword. They work like that, and they also work as stabilisers for some VS, but not that well as weapons in Stock. Perhaps the ramplate on top is a little bit unnecessary, perhaps you could get an even amount of razors on with them.
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Not half bad
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@NFX: I tried without the ramplate on top before and some vertical spinners were like omnomnomnom even when I am under them.
@Vertigo: Any tips?
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You could try moving the blades a bit further forward, and a bit further apart, so as not to have it "sticking out" as much.
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Sorry, what blades?
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Samurai blades. R4's ears were Blades, that's what I'm thinking of.
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There is only one samurai blade, and I only have the weight for one. Should I still crank it up in the air?
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I think you should lose the ramplate, personally. That'd give you the weight for a second "ear", definitely. And you could place them starting under the top of the two front ramplates.
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Hmm, I'm not sure about the ear yet. So far it hasn't been that effective really. In my current build I wrecked it out and extended the wedges with 20 CM. OH GOD THESE WEDGES ARE SOOO LOVELY, I'm not touching these anymore. They slide smoothly under everything.
Now, without the "ear", with the ramplate still ontop (on the baseplate anchor) and 12 razor tips I am at 780.5 kg. This doesn't include razers to protect the extenders of the wedges, but I doubt they are necessary in this case (see pic):
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/41328tmp.png)
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That's beautiful.
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That's beautiful.
^^This^^
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Thanks.
If I'm not mistaken I once read here on these forums that Sage said (yes, it was a quote) that there should only be n razor tips on one DDT maximum for best efficiency. Is this correct, and if yes, what is that number?
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I think it was 4, but you can easily get away with 5 or 6. 7+ is starting to push it, though.
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Behold! iNCineration 4!
Featuring:
EXTREMELY little amount of AGOD on the 2 snapper II's that help the wedges (the AGOD is perfectly symmetrical left/right)
Weapons: 10 razors on two DDT's
Wedges: Bye bye Neglected Waterbug and Epic!
Defense: 5 ramplates and hollow chassis
Drivetrain: 4WD and drives straight forward, backwards is horrible
Power: 3 Big Volt's
Special feature: Swords preventing bots going over mine (sort of)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/33898iNCineration4.png)
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Ummmmm, wow.
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I really like the look of that. Very nice work. =]
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These ears are awesome. They hold up everything! :beer:
EDIT: Plus they look cool :)
@NFX: Do you consider this bot different enough from Halestorm to declare it a "different bot"?
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I do consider it different enough from Halestorm 7. =] The front end looks a little bit like Parabolic Trajectory 2, but I think it's a pretty good robot. Also, annoyingly, your wedges appear to be better than mine. XD
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Lambs to the slaughter:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/16587battleshot.jpg)
The wedges are so good that the bot "Epic" (which I think has the best wedges of starcore v3) gets lifted in full-speed even when I move my bot only a little.
EDIT:
Revenge!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/29980battleshot.jpg)
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Quite nice. =] Does that work in the BBEANS Arena? (It has a perfectly flat floor, so there won't be any minute bouncing.)
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Where can I download this arena and how should I install it for use?
EDIT: I've tried the samurai blades a while now and I must say they should be investigated more for defense. They haven't come off once yet.
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very nice
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very nice
Thanks!
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IIRC Neglected Waterbug has the correct wedges.
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Where can I download this arena and how should I install it for use?
EDIT: I've tried the samurai blades a while now and I must say they should be investigated more for defense. They haven't come off once yet.
You can find it in the BBEANS AI pack. You can find a link on Clickbeetles website.
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To expand on that,theres actually a copy of many arenas in his download section,so download most,but not seizure arena :P
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Quite nice. =] Does that work in the BBEANS Arena? (It has a perfectly flat floor, so there won't be any minute bouncing.)
Well I've tried, but they just bounce into eachother mostly, I can't get under Neglected, and neither can he get under me. Flanking is the only way lift there. Does that mean my bot also has "the correct wedges", as said by Somebody?
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Yeah, if you want a good wedge in the BBEANS arena... you are going to have to start all over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj1gknKfpHw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj1gknKfpHw#)
:trollface
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WTF did that bro just got lifted by a chassis wedge? WTF?!?!
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It did have about 80kgs of ballast in the front. And it only happened one in 5 times, according to Clickbeetle.
(I went through the BBEANS 5 thread yesterday. I was bored as heck.)
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It did have about 80kgs of ballast in the front. And it only happened one in 5 times, according to Clickbeetle.
(I went through the BBEANS 5 thread yesterday. I was bored as heck.)
Yeah, but it is a testament as to how insanely flat the BBEANS arena is.
When I made Elle Driver for the following BBEANS... it could outwedge most everything in the Standard Combat arena (mainly because the door hinge would submerge it under the floor). But when the bot competed in the BBEANS arena, the wedge was absolute crap. Totally my fault though, I should have tested it in the BBEANS arena anyways.
But yeah... I wouldn't be surprised if a ballast-spammed chassis wedge done right could easily out-wedge Snapper wedges in the BBEANS arena because of the floor. Just my opinion.
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My new bot, Sheer Destruction!
774.9kg
16 axes
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/6324sheer_destruction.png)
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trololololololololo
Also, you still got weight for an anchor+ramplate. :P
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No space =S, but I'll manage to stack it one day :)
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WOW!
I updated this bot with less jokey weapons and IT'S REALLY GOOD!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/60452sheer_destruction.png)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/75078battleshot.jpg)
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Does that mean my bot also has "the correct wedges", as said by Somebody?
I have no idea what he (Somebody) meant by that. I think he's just crazy :P
WOW!
I updated this bot with less jokey weapons and IT'S REALLY GOOD!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/60452sheer_destruction.png)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/75078battleshot.jpg)
Successful troll is successful. And has no idea how he's done it.
I'm sure Sage (that feeeeeelthy cheat) will like that one.
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OK, I just found out something exciting. Driving with my bot iNCineration has always been a pain. Despite it's 4WD drive it's extremely slow.
Now during one match all of a sudden the problem was gone. I guess some blocking part or so fell off, either way it "restored" to normal driving.
How can I fix this in the botlab? Perhaps I can send someone the .bot and he/she can look at it?
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I'm gonna guess it's the side ramplates or the wedge being very low.
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Let me do a test without wedge and ramplate whatsoever.
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Might have been because of the arena?
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No, it happened mid-fight. I think SM has nailed it, the wedges are so heavy they cause one of the wheel drive to not hit the ground or something weird like that.
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Yeah, from my experience in stock, wedges are best when part of them are just below the bottom of the chassis.
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Alright, my new popup, RockOn (yes, random name)! After I built it I noticed it looks a lot like seism 13.
I have no idea how I did it, but it drives perfectly straight, even backwards! It also has 5 ramplates, 10 razors, 4WD with rubbers, 2 SnapperII's and a snowplow with 765.1kg used!
It gets under NWB head-on in BBEANS arena.
Pic (insides pic has plow moved so you can see):
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/75877rockon.png)
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So unorthodox...
FREAKIN' LOVE IT.
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Looks pretty nice. Not sure why the plow's there, though, the weight could have been used to add moar razors.
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It doesn't really need moar razors really. I even downgraded to 8 razors in my next version (this allows me to place two more plows, one for each side of the bot).
The plow is there for evil VS's that like to munch on my top.
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I laugh at that tiny weakspot in the front. I wonder if Longbow could get it there...
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I really don't like that exposed wheel, I'm going to try flip that Z-tek around and axle load the wheel away to place the middle Z-tek's .
If I do that I can put two snowplows on the sides that defend perfectly :D
Oh, and then I'll finally be on something like 799 kilo.
Has anyone ever succeeded in stacking a baseplate anchor inside a Z-tek?
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Has anyone ever succeeded in stacking a baseplate anchor inside a Z-tek?
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO
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Not that I know of, but it's probably possible. I would suggest axle loading it out of the way first, so the axle doesn't interfere.
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I remember stacking a baseplate anchor into a HPZ once, yeah. But i stacked it after the axle was gone (axle loading) and I couldn't attach anything to the baseplate after.
That looks pretty decent, though the plow isn't doing much really.
Also, maybe your wedges will be better if your drive is at the rear end of the bot, not your batteries.
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IIRC Neglected Waterbug has the correct wedges.
Yeah thats AutoCorrect lol. Damn iPod =D
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Strange... but not half bad! Have you tried building other types besides a popup?
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Yes:
WOW!
I updated this bot with less jokey weapons and IT'S REALLY GOOD!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/60452sheer_destruction.png)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/75078battleshot.jpg)
And I still want to do a gut-ripping VS, but I don't have the time ATM.
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All right, a new bot, a LW HS (might actually be innovative, not sure), Blue Box!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/55017bluebox.png)
DSA
1 Nifty
2 RAD's for drive
2 Z-Tek's for weapons
6 Razors
1 snowplow
EDIT: The plow can also be dropped to get 6 irons.
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Pretty generic as generic gets....TempusFugit/Rigadoon style... Sorry to burst your bubble there...but you also have reg Zteks for weapons and not HPz. Challenge yourself! From what I see you have the skill.
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They're Standard Z-Teks. =)
And it's not too bad. Tempus Fugit has the same components, but a Snapper-mounted setup, so the motors spin faster (yay RA2 Physics). You should probably try to make it invertible, though.
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Sorry, meant normal Z-Teks, just happen to write HP so often. Edited.
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I'm productive, another new bot!
Squeesh
4WD
4 Snowplows
16 Irons
Snapper wedges
2 Blacks
DSA
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/14624squeesch.png)
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I could find the HPZs to be lunch for HS that get too high.
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I'm not sure how decent it'd do but I like the look of it personally.
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I'd lol if a bot got stuck on those back plows.
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I could find the HPZs to be lunch for HS that get too high.
They can be moved back a little, so I'm going to do that in the next version.
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Make it wider and it would look better and be more stable.
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I think the two back plows are a bit pointless. I'd remove them, and perhaps swap to Rubber Wheels, and maybe DDT Wedges if you can shrink the chassis a touch more.
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This bot has inspired me to build in stock for only the third time this year. Thanks.
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I think the two back plows are a bit pointless. I'd remove them, and perhaps swap to Rubber Wheels, and maybe DDT Wedges if you can shrink the chassis a touch more.
How would I place those DDT'd?
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Well, if your front "arms" are wide enough to fit Z-Teks, then a DDT should slide in there pretty well. If not, then you could widen them inward slightly until it does.
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Am I the only person that freaking loves the looks of that?
Give it a full drum of razors running the full way across the bot, though.
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First word of advice: Dont listen to FOTEPX.
Second: You have somewhat of an original feel going here. So do not deviate from it. If you want to keep the front armor/wedge as snowplows, then tilt them a teeeeensy bit like
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which will help the feed up the front of the bot. However, remember that snowplows are quite fragile. As NFX mentioned above, the way that the plows are right now are quite useless. If you aren't going to use at least one of them perpendicular to the grid to trap up top, then at least remove those both and double up on the front. Otherwise, make sure those extenders are protected and everything is space efficient...which by the looks of it, it already does. I don't even think you need to widen the wedges up front; if they are very effective then keep them as is. Widening the snowplows will naturally give it a wider feel. Otherwise, very nice product.
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Well, I had already changed my bot radically before I read your post, might go back, might not. Before this change the wedges incrediblely sucked.
This is how it currently looks:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/73267squeesch2.png)
The wedges are sweet, but become utter sh** if I turn the weapon HP-ZTek right.
P.S.: Yes, it looks a lot like Neglected Waterbug now.
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*sigh*......The exact opposite of what you should have done.
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What about this? (the wedges suck bigtime :thumbdown)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/72609squeesch3.png)
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Is it me or are the HPZ's not angled the same way?
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G.k. is right just keep them straight. It even looks better that way. How do the wedges suck? Green Snappers are the best wedges...what is the current weight?
And why is the snowplow up top angled like that? It should be close to perpendicular. Otherwise it looks very good, I just don't see why the wedges would have problems unless you just don't have the natural calibration for making them uBer yet.
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How do the wedges suck? Green Snappers are the best wedges
inf?
...Are you alright?
Keep the Z-techs straight
Try to move the plows in a bit perhaps?
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I wonder if it's the corner of the snowplow prising the wedges off the ground. I can imagine the corner's further down than the flat edge was thanks to Pythagoras.
And DDT's normally give best wedges, I think due to the higher torque or something that they have. Snapper2's give a shallow angle, but you can do that with DDT's if you use a couple of extenders.
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How do the wedges suck? Green Snappers are the best wedges
inf?
...Are you alright?
His latest bot has Green Snapper wedges, and it worked out pretty well.
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Green Snappers do make for good wedges if they're positioned very well. On the whole, DDT's seem to make for better ones, unless there's something we haven't found yet.
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Green Snappers do make for good wedges if they're positioned very well. On the whole, DDT's seem to make for better ones, unless there's something we haven't found yet.
Despite DDTs being better, Green Snappers take up a lot less space.
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The HP-ZTeks are angled a bit. And indeed, the snowplows stick out a bit, which is why I have switched to ramplates before.
Here is a closeup picture from the side:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/34187closeup.png)
If I don't angle the HP-Zteks they stick through the plows.
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Try to get them inwards a bit then
Or forwards if you can.
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if a bot gets to that little chunk of HPz sticking through that plow then you've already lost all your weapons and are screwed anyways
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Uneven bot, useless back area, chassis space. That's what's wrong so far.
It's fix the asymmetrical placement, and then see if the wedge is done unevenly.
After that, Shrink it down.
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Ahem, chassis space is near 5% or so.
Ok, the wedges are better now, still mediocre though. The snowplates no longer touch the ground using an extender. The HP-Zteks are no longer tilded and symmetric. The plow in the back was useless before, I hope the current placing is better. Something must be placed there or the HP-Zteks become too unstable.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/85513squeesh4.png)
EDIT: Oh did I say it is 23.8kg underweight?
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If the wedges suck, try an external snapper placement to see if that's better.
With the spare weight, check if using rubbers improves the wedges as well.
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Talkin' bout symmetrical stacking:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/87239squeesh4.png)
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How do the wedges suck? Green Snappers are the best wedges
inf?
...Are you alright?
Keep the Z-techs straight
Try to move the plows in a bit perhaps?
Umm, I mean i'm pretty alright...because Green Snappers definitely make the best wedges...DDTs are not better (trust me, i'm a doctor).
Uneven bot, useless back area, chassis space. That's what's wrong so far.
It's fix the asymmetrical placement, and then see if the wedge is done unevenly.
After that, Shrink it down.
Please shut up you flaming f***0t. Everyone knows you know absolutely nothing about good bot building so shut yer trap!
*Throws S32 into a pile of cinder blocks*
Alright NC, you are very close to finishing this bot. Put the shinies back on...extend the wedges 40cm (this will greatly help wedgy-ness), and i'll show you a picture of what you should do with that awkward back plow you keep changing around.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/29461Snowplowmount.png)
There ya go. Follow those things, and you have a great finished project!
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I changed the plows a little in front so it's a bit wider now, because before bots hit the undersides of the plows even if they got lifted. This is how it looks now:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/63973squeesh5.png)
You mean 60+40=100cm? Ok. How steep should they be, because they kinda suck ATM:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/50571squeesh5.png)
Thanks :heart_smiley:
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Whats the weight of Le Finished Project?
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Yes 40cm more (should be around 100cm total, yes) and a little steeper. Tweak it a little bit every time and put it up against the most-wedgiest bots in Starcore (RPB, NWB to name a few). You can gauge from going against them what works best. It seems wrong I know, but they do in fact need to be steeper.
If you like the plows the way you have now, then that's all that matters! It's functional, and it's you. You are an example my friend. Very nicely done.
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Yes 40cm more (should be around 100cm total, yes) and a little steeper. Tweak it a little bit every time and put it up against the most-wedgiest bots in Starcore (RPB, NWB to name a few). You can gauge from going against them what works best. It seems wrong I know, but they do in fact need to be steeper.
If you like the plows the way you have now, then that's all that matters! It's functional, and it's you. You are an example my friend. Very nicely done.
Thanks, two questions and one remark:
1. "RPB, NWB": ??? and Neglected Waterbug?
2. "You are an example my friend." What do you mean with that? I'm sorry, english is not my mother tongue and this expression is unclear to me.
3. If the wedges are too steep the opposing bot (should) get lifted, that's ok. The problem might be then that their front hits the underside of my plows. I'll have to test it though.
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1. "RPB, NWB": ??? and Neglected Waterbug?
Rabid Pit Bull & Neglected Waterbug.
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1. Rabid Pit Bull and Neglected Waterbug, two of the hardest, wedgiest HWs.
2. Why didn't you tell me you were not native speaking English? I would have made things simpler for you. No wonder you did not understand about the back snowplow right away! But by "you're an example", what I mean is you are an example of how all new members here, who are looking to get better at building, should behave and take advice to their actual bots! That is a very good bot, by newbie standards.
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Whats the weight of Le Finished Project?
793.2, still a bit underweight.
@Infinite, I'm not sure if you looked at my best bot so far, on page 4 (just wondering): https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,6980.msg365086.html#msg365086 (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,6980.msg365086.html#msg365086)
Also, despite I'm not speaking native English, I'm not that bad either (IMO).
Also, I had the idea since I still have the weight to put one extender more on the back plow so it's a tad higher. Comments?
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No I saw it. You're a very good builder, like I said! Both HW VSes and Popups are hard to be both original and destructive.
You can do both... which means monster potential in my eyes!
And you are good with your English, sounds authentic to me! Trust me, we've had foreigners around here who were a lot worse ( remembers how thankful he is that Venko disappeared -_- )
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Ah OK :) And what about making the back plow higher?
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It's up to you. A higher plow will mean better trapping. Whatever you desire! It needs no more critiquing, from my point of view. I just want to see some battleshots (;
Are you good at making custom textures? If you send me those two bots (the VS and the POPUP), I will make you special skins...I need to rekindle my Photoshop capabilities...
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I'll send you the bot soon, after I'm done tweaking the wedges. You can try it yourself then and possibly make a skin :)
Also, the bot is very good at winning wedge battles. Know the situation where you and the other bot are stuck in each others gap up front? Well, in that situation my bot always flips the other bot with it's VS.
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OK here you go:
http://nclabs.org/downloads/Squeesch11.bot (http://nclabs.org/downloads/Squeesch11.bot)
http://nclabs.org/downloads/iNCineration4.bot (http://nclabs.org/downloads/iNCineration4.bot)
Also, kinda offtopic, I'd like to AI this bot, where should I start?
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The best resource to help you AIing, is probably the AI chart, which you can download here:
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/8459AI-Chart-2.3.rar (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/8459AI-Chart-2.3.rar)
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Scorpion's right. Check that out first. (Quick off topic: Scorpion, are you the same Scorpion from wayway back? I mean like original RA2 forum annoying Scorpion from way back?) (EDIT: Clarified by Naryar below)
BUT ANYWAY, I will check those out NC, play around, and hopefully make you some sexy skins!
(Points out to the rest of the community a perfect example of how I treat young members who EARN/DESERVE my respect)!!!
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Nope inf, he's not Scorpio.
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The best resource to help you AIing, is probably the AI chart, which you can download here:
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/8459AI-Chart-2.3.rar (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/8459AI-Chart-2.3.rar)
Thanks.
@infiniteineratia: I guess that means we're friends now :p
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You've proven to me that you are worthy of my forum friendship, so friendship you will receive. Unless you have any problems with that :mrgreen:
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Sure (and now let's quit the spam here ;))
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Work in progress:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/45104lacerate.png)
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Not too bad. Would it work better at trapping if the plows were the other way up?
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Plows are a wee bit too high.
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Little update:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/81090lacerate.png)
The plows can be rotated in any direction.
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I would recommend moving the motors back a bit to give more room for a bot to be sitting on the wedges and still trapped. The more that it is on the wedges, the less of a chance of escape.
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Is that a RPB update ?
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Yeah... That's going to be hard.
I'm going to (try) a chassis revamp later, because I need 1,8 kilo's for longer wedges.
@Naryar: Kind of, the endresult will probably look a lot different though.
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awesome! (https://gametechmods.com/forums/Smileys/gtm/mrgreen.gif)
it would be cool to see it go against Rabid pit bull.
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@NC: Whats the weight of this RPB-lookalike of yours?
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Well, I just started with a new chassis again, and the chassis is at 73.2 kilo's opposed to RPB's 77+'s. My setup is also slightly better.
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Well, I just started with a new chassis again, and the chassis is at 73.2 kilo's opposed to RPB's 77+'s. My setup is also slightly better.
I think if you try and spread the frontal HPs out a little more, you would end up with a wider weapon, and would potentially be better then RPB
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I like the new bot NC. The only suggestion I'd give is maybe to downgrade the HP weapon motors to regular Zteks. 20Kg Extra to use and not really any difference in performance, since its a FS. And to extend&protect those wedges.
Here is my attempt at skinning iNCineration4. I hope you like! Squeesch (if that is what you insist to name your bot :P) will be done soon.
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/iNCineration4.zip (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/iNCineration4.zip)
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Thanks inf! I might actually try normal ZTeks. This is the new setup I'm trying out (despite having more empty space it's lighter):
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/82430setup.png)
That's 8 HP-Zteks, 2 Snapper2's, 4 shinies, 4 anchors, 4 disks, 2 Y-extenders, 2 extenders and 2 blacks totalling 561,2kg. That means I have 800 - 561,2 - 16*7 = 126,8 kgs left for the plows and the wedges.
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Oh haha, with some chassis editing I brought down the above setup from 561,2kg to 561,0kg.
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I wonder if you could bring the chassis further back towards the Supervolts, and attach another 20cm to the end of the other ones, and attach the outside HPS'z to the side AP of those. That'd probably bring them forward and more level with the others.
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You could put the drive in a row and the blacks behind them and have the chassis airtight.
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Why do I get the feeling NC has the potential to make one of the hardest AI packs to ever exist?
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Why do I get the feeling NC has the potential to make one of the hardest AI packs to ever exist?
Blimey...something of that calibre from a LW. I feel rubbish in comparison, now :(
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I've always been rubbish, doesnt feel so bad anymore.
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I've always been rubbish, doesnt feel so bad anymore.
I have caught a wild Stagfish.
I'd agree with SD on the bot, though.
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You could put the drive in a row and the blacks behind them and have the chassis airtight.
Like this?
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/14449setup.png)
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correct! Very nice.
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Alright. It's going to be very hard to make it drive straight though, but I'll try my best.
EDIT: Little update: With some extenders stacked in some HP-Zteks I, got the chassis down to 68.0kg!
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2 blacks, plows not attached yet. 712,0kg, drives completely straight.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/26168setup.png)
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Rotate all the razors so an edge points out. This way it will gut rip much better. Looks boss though. I don't know if I like the middle ones being farther inward than the outer ones... any different setup?
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No real setup other setup, posting image soon, it's MONSTER. What way must the razors be, like this?
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Or like this?
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/3254Warren Peece.jpg)
Like this. The flat side points inward
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Alright here we go, first official splash!
Lacerate
796.0kg (4 kilo underweight, see below)
DSA
2 blacks
4WD HP-Ztek
Shinies
4 Snowplows
120cm green snapper wedges
16 Razors
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/89617lacerate.png)
I still have 4 kilos EXACTLY (yes I tried) left, so I can put one extender somewhere on both sides. Where should I put it? Longer wedges? Wider side plows? Higher trapping plows?
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I'd say longer wedges, but then again, you could just use the 140cm square extenders for the wedges, so IDK.
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Longer wedges- makes it easier to trap your opponents.
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Move the high plows backwards- as they are now they are inhibiting the ability of the side motors to really do much damage. And yes longer wedge on both sides. Just add a 20 cm, don't actually switch out the whole wedge.
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Love that setup for the most part, however I'm not so sure how effective those outermost spinners will be. The plows don't quite look like they allow enough room for opposing bots to slide on top, and the discs don't look like they reach out far enough to really grind an opponents undersides.
I would try moving the top plows farther back towards the chassis, and giving the outermost spinners a longer reach (maybe spend your last 4 kg doing this).
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segment the wedges on the extenders and if you cant find anything more useful put extenders on the wedges the same way you would put blades.
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Would it allow you to get rid of the y-connector and put them both on the extender?
Does look very nice though, try longer wedges or sacrificial extenders
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@Scrap Daddy: Sure I'll segment the wedges.
I was thinking of spending that last 4 kgs on the plows. Either by moving the sideplows more to side giving more grinding space, or by moving the top plows higher.
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If your outer spinners are having a hard time contributing to combat, you could downgrade the inner motors to Z-Teks and spend the weight on other stuff.
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Here is your other bot, skinned ^_^
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/S11.zip (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/S11.zip)
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Oh I see what you did there :D
Trust me, you're not the only one that likes my sig/avatar :)
BTW, add me on AIM: nightcracker@nclabs.org
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If anything, your bot looks great, and everyone's advice here is sound.
If you need weight though, make the right angle between the blacks and the wheels at the back a straight line. It removes some weight (As chassis weight is a measurement of surface area and not volume) but leaves a bigger target.
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Ok, slightly different setup and now with Samurai swords. Do their job better than the snowplows, because they have the same HP, they deal damage (if relevant) and are much harder to hit (smaller target). 4.0kg underweight, 140cm wedges, 2 blacks.
Once again, what should I put my weight on now? I hardly think that longer wedges will help now (160 cm wedges anyone?), and the snowplows are wide enough. Dummy extenders?
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/79975lacerate.png)
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You could use a pair of 20cm extender to move the outermost HPZ's a bit further forward, I'm still not sure they'd be doing much.
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surely 20 cm more on the wedges won't hurt?
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If the wedges are good, I don't think you'd want to mess with them.
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They aren't yet, I'm still working on the wedges.
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Looks D-O-N-E to me. I added you on AIM, btw. Is your screenname just nightcracker?
Your other bots were Grade A material; this looks the part too.
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Looks D-O-N-E to me. I added you on AIM, btw. Is your screenname just nightcracker?
Your other bots were Grade A material; this looks the part too.
I didn't see your buddy request, my AIM is "nightcracker@nclabs.org", without the quotes. Or maybe you could PM me yours and I'll add you.
EDIT: My bot also has serious drivetrain issues of some kind, perhaps can I send you the bot and you can tell me what's wrong? It's really weird.
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If he has the weight for it, he could add blades ontop of the wedges.
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You'll gain 18 KG by using 140 cm square extenders.
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Didn't really like the name Lacerate, so a name change it is!
I present you, Bug Bite, featuring:
798.0 kg
2 blacks
4WD HP-Ztek
4 weapon HP-Zteks
16 razors
2 snowplows
140cm wedges
shiny hubs
DSA
exo stacked baseplate anchors (Yay!)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/16946bugbite.png)
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Looks VERY nice. I like the Samurai Swords, they look like they should do the job pretty well.
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Segment your wedges. The more segments you have, the more "HP" you have. (each extender is 200 HP, regardless of length.) OR you could use the 5kg 140cm square extender found in stock 1.4 and protect it with blades.
Also, nice job stacking baseplate anchors into HPzteks.
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Segment your wedges. The more segments you have, the more "HP" you have. (each extender is 200 HP, regardless of length.) OR you could use the 5kg 140cm square extender found in stock 1.4 and protect it with blades.
Also, nice job stacking baseplate anchors into HPzteks.
More segments also means longer wedges, which in this case make them much worse.
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Segment your wedges. The more segments you have, the more "HP" you have. (each extender is 200 HP, regardless of length.) OR you could use the 5kg 140cm square extender found in stock 1.4 and protect it with blades.
Also, nice job stacking baseplate anchors into HPzteks.
More segments also means longer wedges, which in this case make them much worse.
Not necessarily, just segment them to the length you have now
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he's right 2 20cms is slightly longer than a 40cm though I segment the wedges in the first place before wedge adjustment
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I'd try segmenting the wedges (even if just partially) and try putting the snowplow further down.
I can see that helping trapping, and also, could help the wedges.
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Guys, let me explain this. There is only ONE extre segment possible:
Baseplate anchor -> extender -> Snapper2 -> 40cm extender -> 60cm extender -> Small wedge
As you can see, there is only one possibility, splitting up the 60cm extender into 40+20. I have tried this and all possibilities of the wedge in this "mode". It sucked.
Also, my new bot, The Anti Sage Thing! 398.9kg, DSA
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/22188the_anti_sage_thing.png)
:trollface
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It's horrible
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it is glorious
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Does it have a red extender paintjob? :trollface
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Guys, let me explain this. There is only ONE extre segment possible:
Baseplate anchor -> extender -> Snapper2 -> 40cm extender -> 60cm extender -> Small wedge
As you can see, there is only one possibility, splitting up the 60cm extender into 40+20. I have tried this and all possibilities of the wedge in this "mode". It sucked.
Also, my new bot, The Anti Sage Thing! 398.9kg, DSA
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/22188the_anti_sage_thing.png)
:trollface
VICTORY
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brb changin ma boxerz
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Beautiful. Groundbreaking, in fact. Possibly the only robot in history to potentially win every match not due to power, but due to sheer terror induced in it's opponents, causing them to give up.
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idk if you didd already but you should put a rad in the middle so it flops around
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Guys, let me explain this. There is only ONE extre segment possible:
Baseplate anchor -> extender -> Snapper2 -> 40cm extender -> 60cm extender -> Small wedge
As you can see, there is only one possibility, splitting up the 60cm extender into 40+20. I have tried this and all possibilities of the wedge in this "mode". It sucked.
Also, my new bot, The Anti Sage Thing! 398.9kg, DSA
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/22188the_anti_sage_thing.png)
:trollface
I, Enigma, declare this the best showcased robot ever.
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MOAR RED EXTENDERS.
I won't be happy until you make the red extenders damaging weapons and make it a giant ball of red extendery doom ala Supermassive Black Hole
https://gametechmods.com/TournamentFiles/botm/aug10/smbh0.png (https://gametechmods.com/TournamentFiles/botm/aug10/smbh0.png)
BONUS: Make them all spin.
MEGABONUS: Ask for a 36HS challenge against sage, then change the mace's gmf to the one of a red extender. Delight as Sage watches the video and sees 70 red extenders scattered across the arena.
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Cant.. stop.. laughing!
Someone, please... Invite Sage to come see this xD
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Best.Showcased.Bot.Ever
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QUICK! SOMEONE MAKE A WIKI PAGE ABOUT THIS..... And red extenders.
Also, TC's bot has inspired me to something equally as demented.
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Its.... Beautiful!!!! :gawe:
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I made my computer black and white. HAH
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I made my computer black and white. HAH
Someone should -rep for that lol, YOU MUST SEE THE BEAUTY.
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I made my computer black and white. HAH
Must be really hard to play RA2 with 2 colors only...
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I made my computer black and white. HAH
Must be really hard to play RA2 with 2 colors only...
I could play ra2 with one color
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What Sage posted:
I made my computer black and white. HAH
What was going through Sage's mind at the time:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/35378SageEverywhere.jpg)
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What Sage posted:
I made my computer black and white. HAH
What was going through Sage's mind at the time:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/35378SageEverywhere.jpg)
QFT
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My spam sensors are tingling...
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A new popup, Tanned Rubber. 4 blacks, 12 razors, 5 ramplates, DSA, rubbers. 789.4kg
Was inspired by inf's popup, but now it looks a lot like Seism 13.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/74923tannedrubber.png)
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Actually it looks more like Altwitude than S13.
It should look nice, but seeing a lot of these around kinda makes it feel meh.
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I think it's wedges would be better if you get the drive at the extreme rear of the bot and the wheels aligned, so all of the bot weights on the wedges. Here you have nearly 100 kgs acting up as counterweight.
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You have more than 10 KG to play around with there, i'd consider extending the wedges for one.
And wait, 4 blacks? I'm hoping that's a typo.....
You only need 2 Blacks for this bot.
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You have more than 10 KG to play around with there, i'd consider extending the wedges for one. Not if the wedges are good enough already.
And wait, 4 blacks? I'm hoping that's a typo.....
You only need 2 Blacks for this bot. Nope. You need 3.
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And wait, 4 blacks? I'm hoping that's a typo.....
You only need 2 Blacks for this bot. Nope. You need 3.
From the how power consumption works topic:
For a typical HW popup with 4 HP Z-tek drive and 4 DDT's, you need 100 (x4) + 312.5 (x4) = 1650 total BEMIOR, which is about 2 Supervolts. Remember that these are minimum values, however, and your motors may start slowing down depending on how much total power you have.
This has 2 DDTs right? So 2 supervolts should be all you need.
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2 Blackvolts give 1600 Power, so you're actually underpowering it very slightly. It can work, but you do need it to be a quick match.
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I asked inf how many blacks his popup has and he said 4 because it gave it that little bit extra pepper, so I copied it.
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I asked inf how many blacks his popup has and he said 4 because it gave it that little bit extra pepper, so I copied it.
This goes for anyone...try to find a popup with 2/3 blacks that performs as consistently and lethally as one with 4. It's Pysc's rule of four...Two DDT's (weapons)+ 4 HP Drive = 4 Blacks.
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I asked inf how many blacks his popup has and he said 4 because it gave it that little bit extra pepper, so I copied it.
This goes for anyone...try to find a popup with 2/3 blacks that performs as consistently and lethally as one with 4. It's Pysc's rule of four...Two DDT's (weapons)+ 4 HP Drive = 4 Blacks.
MORE STACKING IS REQUIRED
[Challenge Accepted.jpg]
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I asked inf how many blacks his popup has and he said 4 because it gave it that little bit extra pepper, so I copied it.
This goes for anyone...try to find a popup with 2/3 blacks that performs as consistently and lethally as one with 4. It's Pysc's rule of four...Two DDT's (weapons)+ 4 HP Drive = 4 Blacks.
R4 had 2 blacks. It had more than enough power. You should know, it knocked you out of BBEANS :P
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According to clickbeetle's power consumption, Inf is wrong O:
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4 blacks = more power.
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Alright, another lw in this thread: Slice'nDice
245.9kg
DSA (!)
1 nifty
Exostacked baseplate anchors <3
Everything else clearly seen in the picture
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/55274slicendice.png)
The choice was either a shiny hub or plastic, and since it's very stable with the shiny I went for the former.
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Find a way to turn the RADs so that the motor isn't sticking into the direction of the spin.
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Like this?
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/91489slicendice.png)
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Much better. Was the point of the original to be an undercutter or does it work the same the other way around?
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Just the same, not sure which is better.
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Hmm, expected much more comments on my SnS.
Anyway, here is a new version of BlueBox:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62899bluebox.png)
248.9kg
pretty much invincible front (the snapper works as a caster, it cannot be destroyed)
1 nifty
DSA
6 razors
Bursted RAD drive, Bursted Z-Tek weapons
Sadly my drive and weapon setup (read: extender work) is very heavy, leaving no weight for a plow.
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1) How in the heck did you manage to put a SnapperII there?
2) Is it invertible?
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1) How in the heck did you manage to put a SnapperII there?
2) Is it invertible?
1) It just exostacks like that, ask RA2.
2) Yes.
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Nice. I really, really like that. Like a more stable version of Singularity. Thing is, you really only need two, possibly three extenders for the drive/weapons, so you should be able to get a plow on there, or two casters side-by-side.
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Nice. I really, really like that. Like a more stable version of Singularity. Thing is, you really only need two, possibly three extenders for the drive/weapons, so you should be able to get a plow on there, or two casters side-by-side.
The major problem is the drive. The SnapperII MUST be on baseplate level (not elevated), or it won't exostack. This means that I require some ugly extender work to get the drive to mid-level.
Unless you have a better setup recommendation ofcourse :D
Currently I use 2 extenders for the weapon setup, that setup is pretty good and pretty much the only way to get the weapons at invertable height.
But I use 4 extenders and a t-connector for the drive =S
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You really could get the drive extender work lightened. You could easily get away with only two or three extenders there, it doesn't necessarily have to be perfectly central.
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I meant central as in vertical, for invertability.
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I understand that you need it like that, but it can be slightly offset horizontally, and it'll still work.
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God daaaaaaaaamn that is a nice exostack. I just tried to replicate it, but no dice, even with Hax Mode, your movepixel tool, and my 1600 x 1200 resolution all put together. xD Awesome job. Looks very fearsome.
As for the setup, the lightest one I see is 6 kg of extenders, one attached to the secret SnapperII attachment point with its side attachments pointing up, then another one aligned with that extender, attached with the side attachment point. On that extender, you can attach one drive motor and one weapon motor. Then, you can use the other upward-pointing attachment point on the extender directly attached to the SnapperII to attach a third extender that is also aligned with the other two. To this new extender, you can attach the remaining weapon and drive motor. The weapon motors should probably be attached to the attachment points pointing back towards the SnapperII. However, a tiny bit of them will stick out past the SnapperII this way, and you'll lose the protected weapon motors and invincible front unless you can get the motors covered with the snowplow you were going to attach.
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As for the setup, the lightest one I see is 6 kg of extenders, <various words>
There is a lighter one with 4kg he could use, with a 20cm attached to the SnapperII with the end AP, and the side AP's pointing parallel to the baseplate, then attach another 20cm to the first 20cm using the side AP furthest from the SnapperII, and have it pointing in the same direction as the first one. Like this: ||. The RADs could be attached to the end AP's, and the Z-Teks could be attached to the side AP's closest to the SnapperII. I used the same setup on Singularity, only with an axle mount.
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Alright, trying a new setup.
An extender attached with it's normal attachment point to the secret AP and with it's two side AP's up. Then two extender inside eachother (eFFe) with the RADs attached to it.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/35659bluebox.png)
Not sure if it's invertable now though.
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As for the setup, the lightest one I see is 6 kg of extenders, <various words>
There is a lighter one with 4kg he could use, with a 20cm attached to the SnapperII with the end AP, and the side AP's pointing parallel to the baseplate, then attach another 20cm to the first 20cm using the side AP furthest from the SnapperII, and have it pointing in the same direction as the first one. Like this: ||. The RADs could be attached to the end AP's, and the Z-Teks could be attached to the side AP's closest to the SnapperII. I used the same setup on Singularity, only with an axle mount.
Same, that's what I have on Trine 2.1. :P But that setup, combined with unraised SnapperII = dead invertibility.
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Exactly, and I'm not wanting to compromise it in that way.
I think that seems to be as good as he could get at the moment. If he could raise the SnapperII one click off the baseplate and still get it to exostack (Or stack it into the Nifty, if that'll work), then he could definitely drop to only 2 20cm extenders and get the plow on that way with an added 20cm. Or 40cm, I forget the length he'll need.
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I tried everything, but I can't get it to exostack raised one tick.
Ah well, you can't have it all :)
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I tried everything
You aren't using hax mode for building are you?
But anyways, nice job putting the snapperII outside the chassis.
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I tried everything
You aren't using hax mode for building are you?
But anyways, nice job putting the snapperII outside the chassis.
No, with everything I meant "all plausible camera angles and positions for the SnapperII".
I haven't even used hax mode for a fun bot yet.
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Damn it NC, that's a kick-ass Exo-stack. Especially because its a Snapper II, as it adds just 500 more possibilities.
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I have to say, I am very skeptical of that exostack.
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If I have the time I'll make a video.
EDIT: Also, Geice has done this exostack too: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,6911.msg389009.html#msg389009 (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,6911.msg389009.html#msg389009)
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Seems NC became an AU.
How nice.
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Seems NC became an AU.
How nice.
Thanks.
Quick question hijacking my own showcase, can two DDT's be stacked together? An image of it would be awesome :D
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Seems NC became an AU.
How nice.
Thanks.
Quick question hijacking my own showcase, can two DDT's be stacked together? An image of it would be awesome :D
You cant exactly high-jack your own showcase. Especially if your asking about potential building strategies.
I know you CAN stack DDTs together, its just... I cant find an appropriate image.
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First MW! A popup called The Troll.
396.6 kg
DSA
1 Black
4 razors
2WD HP-Ztek
Green snapper wedges
DDT weapon
Ramplates attached to wedges, they are pretty sweet.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/53866thetroll.png)
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Well that looks decent.
Try to do the Pysc popup challenge (3 DDT's, 1 wedge, hpzs with rubbers and an airtight chassis)
OWAIT WHY AM I HELPING MY OPPONENT
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Looks pretty good. I think that plow on top throws off the colour scheme slightly, and I'd be worried about the robot tipping back, that's happened to me before with a similar robot. Maybe you could stand to get another couple of razors on there.
On the subject of the DDT stack, I think it is possible, but you have to axle load the first DDT's arm out of the way.
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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious how NC's 'The Troll' is a pop-up with "lava armor"?
I'm probably over-thinking things, but ehh... So what else is new?
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Well that looks decent.
Try to do the Pysc popup challenge (3 DDT's, 1 wedge, hpzs with rubbers and an airtight chassis)
OWAIT WHY AM I HELPING MY OPPONENT
Actually you are not... a pysc popup is a glass cannon.
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^This. After making one I realised that front armour is pretty much needed in the MW class. So many HS...
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Alright, this HAS to be an innovation on LW SnS's.
DSA, Nifty, 246.9 kg
Closeup shows setup with lovely exostack + stack.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/68441slicendice.png)
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The Troll has gotten a serious update:
DSA
4 razors
2WD HP-Ztek drive with rubbers
DDT weapon, Snapper2 wedges (their SWEET)
2 mower blades as defense + 2 casters
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/47252thetroll.png)
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Beats the stuffing out of my pop-up that I recently showcased.
foul language removed, user warned!
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Beats the sh*t out of my pop-up that I recently showcased.
Depends on the wedges. For popup vs popup battles the amount of defense is completely irrelevant. Who ever has the best wedges (or good amounts of luck) wins.
Mine are sweet though <3
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The rads just stack like that? interesting. Also, popup looks messy... doesn't look like the mower blades are helping much, and it's a bit too skinny to be effective against HS.
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I thought ACAMS didn't consder the S word a swear.
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I thought ACAMS didn't consder the S word a swear.
i honestly don't know what the boss wants anymore. that's why i don't usually moderate showcases... i'm more of a "big issue" kinda guy...
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That popup is messssy :/
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We still need someone to host the friggin' challenge!!
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You just need the mower blades further out, move the top one further down and you can get rid of those messy casters.
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Guys, I don't need the mower blades further out at all!
Proof:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/65796thetroll.png)
That popup is messssy :/
Well, in order to create exactly the same SWEET wedge the Snapper2's have to be on their sides which forces an asymmetrical setup. Thanks to this asymmetrical setup the DDT is positioned a tad weird which forces me to stack the baseplate anchor for the upper mower blade weird. Other than that I don't think it's messy at all.
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Why not have the SnapperII's both vertical with the axles facing outwards? You can have them both sticking out of the sides of the chassis to give a wider stance and less likelihood of being flanked. I can't imagine it'd effect how wedgy it is at all.
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Why not have the SnapperII's both vertical with the axles facing outwards? You can have them both sticking out of the sides of the chassis to give a wider stance and less likelihood of being flanked. I can't imagine it'd effect how wedgy it is at all.
Problem is, I've tried that and somehow the wedges weren't exactly the same.
P.S.: It are Snapper2's.
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Why not have the SnapperII's both vertical with the axles facing outwards? You can have them both sticking out of the sides of the chassis to give a wider stance and less likelihood of being flanked. I can't imagine it'd effect how wedgy it is at all.
Problem is, I've tried that and somehow the wedges weren't exactly the same.
P.S.: It are Snapper2's.
Force of habit. =P
In what way are they not exactly the same? Do you mean one is slightly higher than the other? I'd have thought using the pause button would have solved that.
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Why not have the SnapperII's both vertical with the axles facing outwards? You can have them both sticking out of the sides of the chassis to give a wider stance and less likelihood of being flanked. I can't imagine it'd effect how wedgy it is at all.
Problem is, I've tried that and somehow the wedges weren't exactly the same.
P.S.: It are Snapper2's.
Force of habit. =P
In what way are they not exactly the same? Do you mean one is slightly higher than the other? I'd have thought using the pause button would have solved that.
While placing or while adjusting the wedges?
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Try while placing and see if that works. If you use Pause while adjusting them, they just don't move. Try pausing and going into the test lab and back, see if they're level then.
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If you use Pause while adjusting them, they just don't move. Try pausing and going into the test lab and back, see if they're level then.
They will :)
A tip, use pause and F12. While the wedge itself doesn't seem to be moving you can adjust using the F12 lines.
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Do you mean one is slightly higher than the other?
Yep. Happens to most Snapper2 wedges.
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Do you mean one is slightly higher than the other?
Yep. Happens to most Snapper2 wedges.
Its one of those random moments in which they get a mind of their own.
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The LW SnS = LOVE<3
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The LW SnS = LOVE<3
Knew it :D
I perfected your perfect SnS xD
(oh and BTW, with plastic and shinies it can have 6 Irons)
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Alright, Tanned Rubber got a huuuge update.
DSA
8 razors on 2 DDT's
4WD HP-Ztek
120cm Snapper2 wedges (THESE ARE GODLY)
3 blacks
Oh and yeah, 26kg underweight.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/11687tannedrubber.png)
No, it doesn't suffer from Bounty Hunter syndrom.
What should I do with those last 26 kilos?
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put more casters on the far ends so wedges slide up even easier.
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Now that's more like it:
DSA
8 razors on 2 DDT's
4WD HP-Ztek
120cm Snapper2 wedges (THESE ARE GODLY)
3 blacks
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/38691tannedrubber.png)
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Very nice.
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I shortened the wedges by 20 cm to get much better ones and re-placed the DDT's for a better weapon.
Yay, the *official* splash:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/85752tannedrubber.png)
DSA
3 blacks
8 razors
100 cm wedges
Everything else clearly visible.
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well thats the last time i ever give YOU advice.
>.>
EDIT: yay you fixed it :D
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Pretty much the new Radiance but full of casters hahahahahaha nice
AND ONE OF THE MIDDLE CASTERS IS OFF-CENTER :rage /oc
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well thats the last time i ever give YOU advice.
>.>
Alright, is this better (look at OP)?
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What a weird stack
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What a weird stack
What?
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Probably referring to the batts, which isn't really uncommon.
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What a weird stack
What?
Just the black, never seen them stacked like that before TBH
Pwn beat me there.
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Looks like something inf would build. Nice work.
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What a weird stack
What?
Just the black, never seen them stacked like that before TBH
Pwn beat me there.
It are three blacks. Two are stacked together "normally" and then after an hour or so I found this stack that has the third black sticking out a bit.
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Basically a clone of Vertigo's Cyclone. Havoks everytime I turn. How can I fix the havok?
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/92845setup.png)
If it doesn't havok it's very stable and actually self rights with the weapon.
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Try the other snapper attachment. Dunno if the game will still let you exostack it, though.
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Dunno if the game will still let you exostack it, though.
Nope, been there, done that, didn't get the T-shirt =S
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I tried everything
You aren't using hax mode for building are you?
But anyways, nice job putting the snapperII outside the chassis.
I have to say, I am very skeptical of that exostack.
For all you skeptics out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66CSDjgwpI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66CSDjgwpI#)
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Yeah, mine glitches just the same, and I've used the other snapper placement
Not too sure how it can be fixed
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Wow, you exo-stack just like that? o_O
and that bot is excellent, i would never be able to build something like that. :bigsmile:
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and that bot is excellent, i would never be able to build something like that. :bigsmile:
It's a clone though, and so I get all the credit for the design :P
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Wow, you exo-stack just like that? o_O
and that bot is excellent, i would never be able to build something like that. :bigsmile:
Nah, I knew that the stack was there, I set up the correct camera position before starting the vid.
Finding the stack took me about 1 hour the first time and now I can find it in 10 minutes.
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A new popup, Tanned Rubber. 4 blacks, 12 razors, 5 ramplates, DSA, rubbers. 789.4kg
Was inspired by inf's popup, but now it looks a lot like Seism 13.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/74923tannedrubber.png)
LOL
How have you made that bot? I think i must learn some build gliches...
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Alahel, make your own showcase, post your bots to whatever standard they are atm, and we'll help you improve from there.
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Allright, I don't have internet at my dad's ATM so I'm firing up RA2 again :gunz:
Get ready for some awesome bots in a few days :mrgreen:
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If you don't have Internet then how did you make that post? :O
Hope to see some cool stacks on the way.
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Get ready for some awesome bots in a few days :mrgreen:
status of body
[ x ] ready
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glad this showcase is back