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Robot Arena => Showcases => Stock Showcases => Topic started by: Linxus on December 22, 2011, 09:24:52 AM
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That is my HW rammer, Twist-o, powered by 6 Z-tek HP drive and has 16 iron spikes on piston. Armor is DSA.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/70100Robot Arena 2 2011-12-22 21-11-16-42.png)
Inside.
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That's not terrible. Get rid of the angle extenders on the end of the weapon rack, they're only eating up weight ATM. Also get rid of the pink batteries (they're also eating up weight).
Good job on using DSA though, most newbies don't know how to do that.
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Very nice for a first robot, I must say. Got the right armour, right drive, almost the right battery power. Have you been lurking at all?
What I would do is lose the Pink Batteries. Generally, they're a poor choice compared to the others with the exception of sub-lightweight bots. And Angle connectors are considered a waste of weight. You could use single-sided Ice Picks if you want to, they'd do a good amount of damage. I'd also try to get a second piston above the first one (you can raise it with the Ctrl key), and mount some more weaponry on it. If you want to see how this bot could be done, you might want to take a look at Stratocaster in BBEANS 5 and Ironbot. But good work nonetheless.
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Very impressive for a new member. I'd remove the angle extenders on the ramming rack at the front and replace them with single sided ice picks. I'd remove the pink batteries as well and add another rack of weapons on another piston above.
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Hey! :welcome
Anyways... Great bot for a newbie. Good drive, good weapons, good armour.
2 small flaws that everyone has pointed out so faf though - Pinks and the angled connectors - replace them with more weapons.
Seems too good for a new member...
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Thanks for replies, i some rechanged my bot, now it hasn't got pistons, but has a 30 irons and 2 razors =). I removed pinks too.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/33637Robot Arena 2 2011-12-23 00-08-26-10.png)
It beats Maelstrom from Starcore v1!
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Nice work. =) Built to the weight limit, pretty good extender work, reasonably compact chassis, though could definitely stand to be compacted a little more. That would give you the weight for irons in place of the razors.
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if you move the black batteries to the front you can shape the chassis into a kind of U which will get you more weight for weapons.
If you can stack the cb into the battery or put it above without changing the height, even better :D
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Very good, but empty space.
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You can sufficiently power this off of one black.
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Or Three Nifties. :gawe:
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Or Three Nifties. :gawe:
You mean two?
Looks good so far. If you ever come back to it and improve it, you could
a) Use one black and put the control board above it or stack inside it
b) Mount the HP Z-teks and possibly the weapons on SnapperIIs with snapper loading
c) Add protection to the top (ramplates), bottom (casters), or sides (ramplates or snowplows)
d) Align as many irons as you can so they are rotated the same way
Some of these things you may not know about, so check the Tutorials and Tips section or just use the search function for more information.
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Aligning the irons won't do anything. It's a good first bot, no need to try to teach him snapper loading his early. Ramplates and casters will kill invertibility, shoe should NOT do that either. And he doesn't have the weight for side protection.
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Or Three Nifties. :gawe:
lol, 3 nifties actually weighs less than 2 blacks XD
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It's a good first bot
Yeah. Hence the
If you ever come back to it
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Right. He's going to keep working on it and you were sending him in the wrong direction with your advice.
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Well everything I wanted to say had already been said, so I'm hoping he would look at that basic advice first.
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1 slightly un-bot-related pointer, please crop your images down - we've all seen the botlab multiple times.
Looks good though, man! :D
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FINISHED IT!11!!11!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/63235TWISTO.png)
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Yeah, looks fine. But you can get away with only 1 battery and then add some single-sided ice picks to the end of the extenders.
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When I'm using only one battery, it slows down after a minute of fight.
I think, high speed is better than four icepicks.
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When I'm using only one battery, it slows down after a minute of fight.
I think, high speed is better than four icepicks.
It depends who you fight really. Most matches don't last that long, and if they do it comes down to weapons left. Although I'm no expert on rammers, 1 Black should really be sufficient.
EDIT: I think 1 Black + 1 Nifty gives 1200 output.
These motors require 1/2 x 400 x 6 = 1200 input
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I think, you're right, but I'm going to create another bot, maybe a pop-up. I've finished it, so i don't want to upgrade it anymore. Thanks anyway.
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Looks like a very nice rammer now. If you turn off the "Snap To Grid" feature, then you can get a much more airtight chassis, giving you more weight for weaponry and so forth. A generally good rule is to build the chassis around the components, and not the other way around. =)
Something else you could try is Stacking, or placing multiple components in the same space. This works very well with the Supervolt Batteries, they're very bulky and cumbersome, and you could save a substantial amount of chassis weight if you can pull it off. Unfortunately, there's no hard and fast way to make it work, it's more a case of trial and error, but the results are definitely worth it.
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Way too generic for my liking. :/ but it's good that you're learning.
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i think you should upgrade to starcore v2/v3
you could probably stack those black batteries too
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Looks like a very nice rammer now. If you turn off the "Snap To Grid" feature, then you can get a much more airtight chassis, giving you more weight for weaponry and so forth. A generally good rule is to build the chassis around the components, and not the other way around. =)
Something else you could try is Stacking, or placing multiple components in the same space. This works very well with the Supervolt Batteries, they're very bulky and cumbersome, and you could save a substantial amount of chassis weight if you can pull it off. Unfortunately, there's no hard and fast way to make it work, it's more a case of trial and error, but the results are definitely worth it.
I did. Here is no more place to add extenders or bursts for more weaponry.
Anyway, I created a middleweight, that is it:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/62627RANGER.png)
Yeah, here is some empty space, but I'm going to remove it.
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Not quite as impressive, I'm afraid. While you've nailed a good weapon attachment method you're better off with either the single HP Ztek and making it a lightweight, or snapper loading a setup for the weapon motors. Sage made some videos teaching you how to snapper load, so I expect someone will link them any second now.
https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,4512.0.html (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php/topic,4512.0.html)
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How can I save weight for front defense?
Yes, it is slow, but not so slow as a turtle.
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I would recommend for you to upgrade to Starcore v2 or v3. Your bots are definitely above Starcore v1 level (which is good for how short a time you've been here), but could still be improved by tougher competition.
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OK, I will.
*going to download v2*
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Swap the irons on the pop-up part to razors and upgrade the drive.
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/41578EXTREMA.png)
Waay better than first version, popup lifter is much more effective and front is protected.
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ENORMOUS KILLING POWER! 784,5 kg!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/5215Nuclear Strike.png)
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Not terribly bad. If you learn how to use a component called the SnapperII (You can download it in the SZ & AI Components file), you could potentially turn this into a very nice 36HS, which is generally considered the best possibility for a horizontal spinner such as this one. I'd definitely try to get some protection on it.
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Lol infy would've had your had by now.
Anyways, cut down on the extender work and get rid of that pole on the top.
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It's an iron spike. And ULTIMATUM is the bot that you are kind of shooting for. It's an example of a 36HS (a horizontal spinner with 4 HP Z-Teks for weapons, 2 HP Z-Teks for drive, 2 black batteries, and 36 weapons, being either iron spikes or maces).
ULTIMATUM was built by Sage
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/26354screenshot_50%20copy.jpg)
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/41578EXTREMA.png)
Waay better than first version, popup lifter is much more effective and front is protected.
Do the srimech blades on this actually work? It would be interesting if it was that easy to self-right an HS.
Also you should use two burst motors for the popup weapon. That many irons on a Snapper is really going to weigh it down and reduce damage. Normally you'd want to use razors too, but since they're exposed irons might be better.
Interesting hybrid design there; could be effective in Starcore 3 with a bit more work.
Edit: oops I thought the DDT's were for the wedges and the Snapper held the spikes. My bad. In that case, try to get another Snapper and put one wedge on each one. That funky dual-wedge setup you have there never seems to work very well.
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Do the srimech blades on this actually work? It would be interesting if it was that easy to self-right an HS.
I don't know, nobody flipped Extrema over due to low ground clearance and really well working wedges. Anyway, one of my other HW HSs was able to self-right with totally same method.
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Linx, your bot-building style is rather amusing.
Your builds are just wild and tend to be all over the place.
But I like how your going out of your way to try and jam 500+ weapons on each robot.
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Due to bad English, want to ask: is that a compliment?
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It kind of is, yeah. It basically means you've got a good sense of originality in your bots, which is almost always a good thing. Whilst they may not be the best in combat terms quite yet, they're quite fun to look at, and you've got an interesting combination of weapon systems on most of them, which is going to bode well for when you start learning some of the more complex glitches, such as eFFeing and Snapper Loading. =)
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Oh, yeah, about Snapper Loading. Is Snapper II custom component? If it is, isn't it a kind of cheating(using custom part)?
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It's an AI component, meaning it's in the game, but not normally accessible in the Bot Lab, much like EMERGENCY's black and yellow striped wedges. You can download them from the Downloads tab on the front page, and look for SZ & AI Components. This'll give you the SnapperII, the weapons used on BEAR, Bushido and Ninja, the wheels from Mud Runner, the EMERGENCY Wedge, and a bunch of Smart Zones, which are required if you want to AI robots with weaponry that is neither static or spinning.
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Oh, OK, thank you.
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Yea, RA2 ended up like RA1, to some extent, with parts that are "hidden", and thought to be left over and/or incomplete files. Or something like that.
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/88773snapperii.png)
Is it Snapper Loading?
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Looks like it to me. There's a secret AP on the back of the SnapperII, where you could attach another extender to add more motors and such.
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Cool.
Time to create 36HS!
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/76284NUCLEARSTRIKEv2.png)
Cons:Vulnerable wheels, slow, low battery live.
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Not bad actually.
However, get rid of the axles and 2 other wheels and just have the HP z-tek drive mounted directly onto the snapper.
If you add 2 more nifty batteries in (hi nfx :P) by either stacking or side by side which should fit into the chassis somehow then it won't be as slow or underpowered.
And rotate the extender or the tribar by 90 degrees so the AP is facing downwards and then attach an extender onto that. rotate that one if you have to and then put the irons on there so they are facing outwards. I can show you a picture if you want.
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It's enormously unstable without wheels on axles, that's the problem. Way better with them. Casters isn't helping.
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unstable drive doesn't really matter with 36hs iirc
and if you AI it then you should be fine
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OMG, splash contains two different versions of bot. Version showing the insides is actual.
I don't think that I can AI bot now.
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Go look in the tutorials section and there are a few good AI tutorials. It doesn't take too long and is worth it
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/94010Mocco.png)
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Work on getting all irons on the spinner and having the blade static off an anchor. Drop down to plastic armour if you reaaaally need weight.
EDIT: or just switch them to razors and see if you can get redbirds atleast.
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I tried - i cannot shrink chassis anymore, and plastic armor sucks.
Razors have limited hitpoints, and irons deal better damage(does they?)
No place for redbirds into the chassis.
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Razors do more damage but have half the hp. It is worth it though. And so is plastic armour if you do it right :P
and rads are good enough.
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I wouldn't suggest razors or plastic on this. Razors are extremely fragile, and you're going to be outweaponed by any other decent HS build if you use them. I would stick with irons for this.
This looks like a very decent build there. If you rotate the extenders 90 degrees, the ones that are on the tribar, then you would have both Irons striking the opponent at the same time, so that would cause more damage. The blade on the Snapper also seems a little bit wasteful and pointless, I would personally remove it, and use the weight to get that extra razor on, and possibly some more defenses, such as casters or another plow.
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so the blade isnt on the weapon motor?
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I wouldn't suggest razors or plastic on this.
use the weight to get that extra razor on
>.>
Get rid of the blade and get the last iron on.
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so the blade isnt on the weapon motor?
Yes, it is. If I remove it and add iron, it has no srimech, so i cannot remove it.
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It doesn't need a srimech. It'll still attack the opponent while it's upside down, it just won't move. Most of the time, you'll KO your opponent before you get inverted anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But the extra iron will definitely help, otherwise you'll almost certainly be outweaponed and KO'd.
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Would people kill me if I said 1WD?
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I'm sure someone would.
Besides, I don't think 1WD would necessarily work with balanced spinners. It worked with your Dark Void 2, and my 45HS, because they had one and three spinners respectively, and the reaction force of the weaponry was counteracted by the torque of the drive motor.
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Rebuilt it, irons now placed vertically and here is 12 of them. No srimech.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/50521Mocco Rebuilt.png)
Would people kill me if I said 1WD?
I kill you, be afraid.
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Looking very nice indeed now. =) The next step for this design would be to fully learn Snapper Loading, but that may be slightly advanced for you at the moment. I'd advise you keep the pictures of the bot quite concise, though, without unnecessary text such as the previous one. You could always type out everything in a post, rather than putting text on the picture.
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Well, Nuclear Strike 2(that hw from previous page) uses that glitch, so...
Oh, OK, don't create big pictures anymore.
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Invertible, but self-rights using the blade. 2 plows for defense. 24 irons, beats every bot of Starcore v3. Uses 2 Snapper IIs. 2WD HPZ drive, 2 Supervolts.
Anyone, give a link for v4 alpha, I already beated every bot of v3, it starts getting boring.
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Nice, if it's invertible you don't need the blade. The next step might be getting a wedge or two on there.
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Нет мест~
No more place in chassis left.
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Looks very nice. It's quite retro in a sense, but if it's invertible, then you REALLY don't need the blade there. Please try and get out of that habit, most bots should be invertible anyway, other than popups/flippers/other robots that can self-right without a blade.
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(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/72970Ashra.png)
2 RADs drive, Nifty, 2 maces+4 razors.
Beats every bot in Starcore v3, as usually.
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Cool use of chassis, with the T connector.
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Every bot in Starcore v3 or every LW and below? That is mighty fine driving if you are able to knock out the SHW bots in Starcore v3 with that bot.
Maybe you are ready for the Starcore v4 Alpha update with DSA and other fine tunings.
Starcore
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Every bot in Starcore v3 or every LW and below? That is mighty fine driving if you are able to knock out the SHW bots in Starcore v3 with that bot.
yeah I think it's every LW. in no damn way this can beat the crawlers.
Unless you're talking flextop, but then it doesn't count.
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Erm...nope, just in it's weight. And some middleweights. And maybe a one or two heavyweights. Maybe.
Okay, i didn't created nothing new for a 2 months, because i was busy with the school.
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Just tried to create a popup, but that thing sucks. How can I improve it?
my english is so terrible
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Looks pretty epic, try reducing the open space, I guess.
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waaaaay longer chassis wedge, it's too steep atm. try and see if you can stack the blacks and get the wedge longer
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Yup, make the wedge less steep.
Try making a pyscolone challenge popup.
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much better, lower the start position of the razors though.