Text Only | Text with Attachments

gametechmods

Robot Arena => Showcases => Stock Showcases => Topic started by: CameraFan on September 04, 2012, 02:50:31 PM

Title: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on September 04, 2012, 02:50:31 PM
Made a showcase to get criticism and hopefully improve ;)

Sir Spikalot, my first decent bot:
DSA armour. Turns most things I throw at it apart from flippers into mince w/o the Starcore AI.
Of course, any feedback is appreciated.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Mr. AS on September 04, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
this is a surprising common bot for new ppl to make, its not bad for a first bot
some feedback:
-dont put huge components on top of each other like that, try to get the chassis as flat as you can without compromising any of the components
-good that you know that alot of little spikes are better than one sledge
-you only need a nifty for this tops
-nice job building to the weight limit, most bots made my ppl new to ra2 tend to be severely underweight
-you might want to read some tips from here: http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/tutorials.htm (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/tutorials.htm) mainly the building techniques and component stats pages, some of it will be review but you will probably learn some new stuff too

hope you stick around on gtm, you could be a great builder soon
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Jamin on September 04, 2012, 03:04:33 PM
That is very good for a first bot! But like Mr. A said you will want to move all of the upper components lower like to the back or front of the bot, similar to how I did it here:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/48435Brain.png)
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Naryar on September 04, 2012, 03:52:25 PM
it's... tall?

Apart from that pretty good for a first showcased bot, just make it shorter and invertible.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Enigm@ on September 04, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
generally it's a good idea to not build your bot like a skyscraper.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Wacky Bob on September 04, 2012, 04:51:44 PM
Pretty good for a new member, I like how you know the best way to attach weapons, along with other basic stuff. As long as you listen to advice, you'll improve greatly.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Badnik96 on September 04, 2012, 04:55:28 PM
It's not bad, just overly tall.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on September 05, 2012, 01:38:11 AM
Remade Sir Spikalot, now invertible and takes out EMERGENCY easily.
DSA obviously. What should I do with the leftover space and weight?
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Jonzu95 on September 05, 2012, 01:42:08 AM
If you make smaller chassis, you would probably be able to use black battery.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: ianh05 on September 05, 2012, 02:08:39 AM
You should download Ultimate Stock AI, it has a large amount of teams (149 teams) with some easy bots, some average bots and some really well built ones. At your Level you should be trying to beat most the old BBEANS MW's.

Link:
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/Ultimate%20Stock%20AI.zip (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/Ultimate%20Stock%20AI.zip)
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: smashysmashy on September 05, 2012, 02:10:57 AM
Quote from: Jonzu95 on September 05, 2012, 01:42:08 AM
If you make smaller chassis, you would probably be able to use black battery.
Even though that would be Overkill. 1 Nifty is sufficient for 2 HP Zteks, let along regular ones.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Mr. AS on September 05, 2012, 05:54:52 AM
Quote from: Jonzu95 on September 05, 2012, 01:42:08 AM
use [sic] black battery.
no.

all spin motors use 100 imput and a nifty has 400 output and sufficient enough electotal, heck he could use 2 pinks for this

and this bot is coming along good so far, you might be able to get hpz drive if the chassis is trimmed just a bit to get weight for it/have it fit
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: cephalopod on September 05, 2012, 06:04:04 AM
Yeah, I'd say the logical step is to get HPZ drive. Not sure how much heavier HPZ's are (haven't played Stock in a while) but I think they'd fit in that chassis (from a size point of view) if you move the air tanks forward and take the extender off the pistons - I'm pretty sure you could move the pistons to the front and attach the weapon rack directly onto it rather than using that intermediate extender.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Wacky Bob on September 05, 2012, 07:15:21 AM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/57741Z-Tek.PNG) (https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/1046HP Z-Tek.PNG)

He could get HP Z-Teks right now if he wanted to (Which is highly recommended).
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on September 05, 2012, 07:35:43 AM
Wakky Bob is right. The bot 14.4 kgs light, and HPs only weigh 5 kgs more. He could just use HPs and not have to change anything else.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on September 05, 2012, 07:40:45 AM
Quote from: HurricaneAndrew on September 05, 2012, 07:35:43 AM
Wakky Bob is right. The bot 14.4 kgs light, and HPs only weigh 5 kgs more. He could just use HPs and not have to change anything else.
HPZs are ever so slightly bigger.
Changed the Z-teks to HPZs. Had to put the pistons in an awkward place and sacrifice some spikes because of that, but god it's fast. Also seems to hit just as hard as Sir Spikalot II.
Don't know what to do with the spare weight.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: cephalopod on September 05, 2012, 07:47:41 AM
You could make the weapon racks longer than the bot - in fact, this would prove good protection against anything trying to go up the side.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on September 05, 2012, 08:01:08 AM
Quote from: CameraFan on September 05, 2012, 07:40:45 AM
Quote from: HurricaneAndrew on September 05, 2012, 07:35:43 AM
Wakky Bob is right. The bot 14.4 kgs light, and HPs only weigh 5 kgs more. He could just use HPs and not have to change anything else.
HPZs are ever so slightly bigger.
Changed the Z-teks to HPZs. Had to put the pistons in an awkward place and sacrifice some spikes because of that, but god it's fast. Also seems to hit just as hard as Sir Spikalot II.
Don't know what to do with the spare weight.
You can just use a nifty for this, and change the wheels to shinies, and you can put the piston between the air tanks for symetry. With the weight saved from a nifty and shinies, you can use maces because they have higer concussion, which means higher damage on rammers.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on September 05, 2012, 08:05:32 AM
HPs are bigger? I could have sworn they were the same size. Sorry for the misinformation.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on September 05, 2012, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: HurricaneAndrew on September 05, 2012, 08:05:32 AM
HPs are bigger? I could have sworn they were the same size. Sorry for the misinformation.
HPs are a wee bit longer.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: smashysmashy on September 05, 2012, 12:58:50 PM
Although I don't think they'd fit with that setup, it doesn't look like there's enough space.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Scrap Daddy on September 06, 2012, 12:33:48 AM
honestly, id put the nifty behind the piston and tanks, stack the control board in the nifty, get as big of a piston as possible, upgrade the teks and use shinies. Once you do that it should be a solid poker because your setup is pretty good on the weapons.

Nice to see a new comer with the right ideas.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on September 07, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
Sir Spikalot IV, now with 0% stacking! (Can only seem to do it with baseplate anchors  ::2mad )
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Badger on September 07, 2012, 12:45:26 PM
Keep trying with the stack, it'll work eventually. Apparently movepixel helps, but it seems to hinder me.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Conraaa on September 07, 2012, 12:49:13 PM
On the contrary movepixel helped me do one of the only stacks i've ever done in stock. And I am crap at stacking.

Basically if you can never stack then give movepixel a go.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Naryar on September 07, 2012, 02:41:43 PM
Smaller chassis. That you can do.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: ianh05 on September 07, 2012, 02:47:27 PM
yeah, try arranging your components better. It's always better to know exactly what you want before you build the chassis, that way you can build it around components and have much less unused space.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Jack Daniels on September 07, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
Nice dude! Your improvements are great.

Sometimes when I adjust the chassis slider to its lowest point the actual height of the chassis will vary.  (if that makes any sense)

What I am saying is that you can actually make your chassis a bit lower if you move the slider to the bottom and eyeball the height of the chassis.  You will notice that sometimes it will go lower than expected.  When I am trying to make a chassis that allows for invertability with shiny wheels, I will play around with the slider several times until I hit a sweet spot that is low enough for shiny wheels yet high enough to fit stuff like HPZs and black batteries.   

Give it a shot.

<<<  IN B4 Sum1 sez:  Herp Derp Save your self soem time with Bot File Editing >>>
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: martymidget on September 07, 2012, 05:45:34 PM
5 or 6 ticks up from minimum normally fits HPs. One of the two xD
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: J on September 07, 2012, 07:19:46 PM
As far as the frontal weapon goes, he can actually fit more Razors on it, really...
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on September 07, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
Quote from: J on September 07, 2012, 07:19:46 PM
As far as the frontal weapon goes, he can actually fit more Razors on it, really...
he should have used maces for this(moar damage)

anyways, you should put the nifty in between the HPz, and put the pistons and the air tanks like this: 1st air tank ---> pistons ---> 2nd air tank.
and, if you felt the chassis is too large, you should make the chassis like this:
                                                ___
                                                /   \
                                               /     \
                                              /       \
                                             _______

And, if you can piston effe, you can try putting a snowplow to hide the extenders better.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on September 08, 2012, 01:55:15 PM
Quote from: Gauche Suede on September 07, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
anyways, you should put the nifty in between the HPz, and put the pistons and the air tanks like this: 1st air tank ---> pistons ---> 2nd air tank.
Can't fit them in because i still fail at stacking, with or without movepixel.
Quote from: Gauche Suede on September 07, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
And, if you can piston effe, you can try putting a snowplow to hide the extenders better.
I can effe, but I don't understand how this could get a snowplow on (probably cause I had an extra dose of noobishness and started messing around with total fail bots today).


EDIT due to not double posting

Just wanted to share a generic rammer I've been working on.

Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Naryar on September 08, 2012, 05:52:42 PM
needs a black batt, or even a black and a nifty
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Badger on September 08, 2012, 05:58:29 PM
A black should be good for 4 z-teks. And you should use axes for rammers and possibly pokers.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Mr. AS on September 08, 2012, 06:55:18 PM
you should probably get 6wd and a black in there to accommodate the extra 2 wheels

and improvement is being show, keep this up
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Enigm@ on September 08, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
it needs 2 blacks actually, i've built rammers in the past and one black isn't enough.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: 090901 on September 08, 2012, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: Enigma on September 08, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
it needs 2 blacks actually, i've built rammers in the past and one black isn't enough.
One black and a nifty is better.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Enigm@ on September 08, 2012, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: 090901 on September 08, 2012, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: Enigma on September 08, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
it needs 2 blacks actually, i've built rammers in the past and one black isn't enough.
One black and a nifty is better.
NO IT'S NOT D:
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: 090901 on September 08, 2012, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Enigma on September 08, 2012, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: 090901 on September 08, 2012, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: Enigma on September 08, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
it needs 2 blacks actually, i've built rammers in the past and one black isn't enough.
One black and a nifty is better.
NO IT'S NOT D:
PLS 2 BLACKS TAKES UP MORE WEIGHT D:
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on September 08, 2012, 10:49:14 PM
Quote from: CameraFan on September 08, 2012, 01:55:15 PM
Quote from: Gauche Suede on September 07, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
anyways, you should put the nifty in between the HPz, and put the pistons and the air tanks like this: 1st air tank ---> pistons ---> 2nd air tank.
Can't fit them in because i still fail at stacking, with or without movepixel.
Quote from: Gauche Suede on September 07, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
And, if you can piston effe, you can try putting a snowplow to hide the extenders better.
I can effe, but I don't understand how this could get a snowplow on (probably cause I had an extra dose of noobishness and started messing around with total fail bots today).


EDIT due to not double posting

Just wanted to share a generic rammer I've been working on.

Okay.... so first off, you need to get 6wd HPzs and a black. and then you can use axes(cause they have more concussion= more damage on rammers).
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: 090901 on September 08, 2012, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: Gauche Suede on September 08, 2012, 10:49:14 PM
Okay.... so first off, you need to get 6wd HPzs and a black.
You don't need 6wd
And even if you used 6wd you would want to use a black + nifty.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on September 09, 2012, 01:17:21 PM
Made this one yesterday but never got round to posting.

Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: NFX on September 09, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
You could easily replace the Nifty with a second black. Or lose the Nifty altogether, remove the 20cms between the BA and T Connectors, shrink up the chassis by .1kg, then you've got enough weight to get irons on the side of all three ramming racks.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on September 10, 2012, 02:57:10 AM
Quote from: CameraFan on September 08, 2012, 01:55:15 PM
Quote from: Gauche Suede on September 07, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
anyways, you should put the nifty in between the HPz, and put the pistons and the air tanks like this: 1st air tank ---> pistons ---> 2nd air tank.
Can't fit them in because i still fail at stacking, with or without movepixel.
Quote from: Gauche Suede on September 07, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
And, if you can piston effe, you can try putting a snowplow to hide the extenders better.
I can effe, but I don't understand how this could get a snowplow on (probably cause I had an extra dose of noobishness and started messing around with total fail bots today).


EDIT due to not double posting

Just wanted to share a generic rammer I've been working on.

Put the snowplow with a baseplate anchor, the Effe part is to get the plows out of the way.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on September 15, 2012, 02:33:58 PM
I LOVE RAMMERS

Yeah, I got close to the weight caps without even trying. I have a fs somewhere but I cba to find it today.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: qwertythe300th on September 15, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: CameraFan on September 04, 2012, 02:50:31 PM
Made a showcase to get criticism and hopefully improve ;)

Sir Spikalot, my first decent bot:
DSA armour. Turns most things I throw at it apart from flippers into mince w/o the Starcore AI.
Of course, any feedback is appreciated.
I would agree with adding blacks. But i dont know much about rammers as im more of a spinner builder. it looks real good though. You already have some respect from the vets. Good work and welcome to the forum!  :gawe:
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on September 15, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: CameraFan on September 15, 2012, 02:33:58 PM
I LOVE RAMMERS

Yeah, I got close to the weight caps without even trying. I have a fs somewhere but I cba to find it today.
On the LW: You can easily shrink the chassis for MOAR RAZORS.
On the MW: you can use a nifty for 100 more power and 8 kgs, if you stack the control board to the nifty and shrink the chassis, you can get MOAR AXES, and you can just use 2 baseplate anchors to place the weapon racks.

btw, get starcore V4.
(you can try making a popup next).
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on October 04, 2012, 01:40:18 PM
I'm back and more RED than ever!  :dance:
Now who was it that hated red...?
edit: Sawwy Sage.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: 090901 on October 04, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
That is too many weapons for a snapper, remove some then add a wedge.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Badnik96 on October 04, 2012, 02:28:08 PM
Get rid of those ice picks, they're pointless.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Classicus on October 04, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
Ice picks are pointy.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: cephalopod on October 04, 2012, 04:35:19 PM
Quote from: Classicus on October 04, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
Ice picks are pointy.


<3


But yes, Ice Picks are pretty bad in this case.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: HurricaneAndrew on October 04, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
Definitely shrink the chassis, get rid of the pick axes, get a wedge on it, and  get a ramplate on the front of the chassis for armor.

Look at me giving stock advice... :laughing
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: 090901 on October 04, 2012, 08:04:07 PM
Quote from: HurricaneAndrew on October 04, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
Definitely shrink the chassis, get rid of the pick axes, get a wedge on it, and  get a ramplate on the front of the chassis for armor.

Look at me giving stock advice... :laughing
I doubt you would have weight for a ramplate
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Mr. AS on October 04, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
Quote from: 090901 on October 04, 2012, 08:04:07 PM
Quote from: HurricaneAndrew on October 04, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
Definitely shrink the chassis, get rid of the pick axes, get a wedge on it, and  get a ramplate on the front of the chassis for armor.

Look at me giving stock advice... :laughing
I doubt you would have weight for a ramplate
he might be able to get a ramplate if he doesnt have a snapper2 wedge

you probably need a wider front aswell if you dont want to be spinner bait
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on October 04, 2012, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: CameraFan on October 04, 2012, 01:40:18 PM
I'm back and worse and more RED than ever!  :dance:
Now who was it that hated red...?
edit: Sawwy Sage.
Downgrade to normal Z-teks (HPz are OVERKILL for LW popups), reduce the number of razors to 3,get a snapper II(blue one)/ snapper 2(green one) wedge, and get a Supervolt.
And as Mr.AS said make the front wider so that spinners don't knock you to your side and take of your wheels.

btw, your bot looks pretty much the same as this but less wide:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/44484jolt1.PNG)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/5322jolt2.PNG)
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: CameraFan on October 05, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
Yep it looks just like Jolt. And as RED II doesn't sound right, I had to change the colour :l

I also like gummy bears.
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Mr. AS on October 05, 2012, 06:13:40 PM
POPUP- looks alright. chassis is a bit high. just raise the height slider 5 clicks from the bottom to get minimum height for the drive (if you can put a ztek in the chassis but not a snapper2 [the green one] vertically, youve achieved minimum height)
HS- 2 pinks is simply not enough for 3 motors. a nifty should do for that, see: http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2stats.htm (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2stats.htm). good that youre learning how to effe however. also, just mount the rads on thier side instead of vertical like that, and try to get a hpz in there
Title: Re: CameraFan's Showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on October 05, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: CameraFan on October 05, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
Yep it looks just like Jolt. And as RED II doesn't sound right, I had to change the colour :l

I also like gummy bears.
BLACK-Get a Supervolt for maximum power, and then get movepixel so that you can organize your chassis better( And what you wanna do is to switch the location of the snapper II wedge and the Snapper 2 weapon motor, so that the weapon's extenders don't stick out.)
Gummy Bear- Klone this first:
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/coolnael/Re_Dream21.png)
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/coolnael/Re_Dream21setup.png)
Text Only | Text with Attachments