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Title: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on March 04, 2016, 05:11:55 PM
My first robot that can have some chance against Starcore V3 when I'm driving it is FWOD (Fast Wedge of Death).

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/49333fwod.png)

This is a garden variety popup bot. Although it took me quite some time to research so I get the numbers right. Fairly simple design and straightforward (I guess I'm not alone who already built very much like this). The construction doesn't use any glitches.

If I counted correctly the 4 black batteries should be enough to strike all the DDTs on full power during the entire course of the match. The armor is DSA.

Pros:

- Fast. Always capable to flank two wheeled HW bots.
- High pushing power.
- The emergency wedge tend to peel off many other opponents from the ground with ease.
- The 4 DDTs with the razor cause massive amounts of damage (1000-2000 per hit when all razors hit).
- Fastest win: 5 seconds.

Cons:

- Problems with self righting, if it lands on it's side, it will be counted out.
- Weak against full body horizontal spinners. Vortex CE regularly beats me. Tough it's performs better against the Borg Queen, and other HSes with large chassis.
- Cannot KO Mome Rath and Alien Queen (nevertheless he can win against them by score ).
- Low ground clearance makes it stuck on ramps an detached bot components, very careful driving needed.
- Requires lot of skill to drive it (hard to aim, easy to lose the razors if you hit a weapon with them)

I was too lazy to apply proper paintwork. So I just painted the entire chassis to lime green.

I upload a video to Youtube every day where play at least 5 rounds against a Starcore robot on weekdays.
Then I upload a longer vid of me playing a whole season of events on Sundays:

The playlist is here:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu283yI1HrlIDKNC2BQXdfEqXQ6D2cB8x (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu283yI1HrlIDKNC2BQXdfEqXQ6D2cB8x)

Future plans with this:

- Improving the self righting ability.
- Adding armor to the wedge without losing the wedging ability. (So far I have no good ideas how could I place them).
- Building a middleweight and lightweight versions.

Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: R1885 on March 04, 2016, 05:26:27 PM
Few pointers:
You can stack the black batteries to save space, that way you can lower the chassis height.
Change the wheels to rubbers to improve wedging ability
You can easily have more weapons, you have about 130 kilos of weight left to work with
Use small wedges over emergency wedges, they are superior in every way
Snapper 2 burst motors mounted perpendicular to the chassis produces the best wedges with the longest extenders.
If you have some weight leftover, stick some ballasts to the front edge of the chassis wedge to further improve the wedge
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Reier on March 04, 2016, 06:09:36 PM
welcome to the forums bud

you're on the right track, ribbs covered most of what you should probably work on. Main things are more weapons + be more space efficient with your chassis. always build to the weight limit. anything below like 790 is not good. don't be afraid to rebuilt it.
you may have already read this but it's basically RA2 101 and very helpful: http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/ra2techs.htm)
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Mr. AS on March 04, 2016, 06:19:47 PM
Pretty good for a first bot, most people don't tend to even know what a popup is when they start out.

You'll be able to win against HS more often if you put some armor on the front. Most robots use ramplates, but other components such as snowplows, battle axes, and bracket wedges are usable as well. Ramplates are the easiest to use, but snowplows and bracket wedges are the most efficient. You probably still won\t be able to win against robots like Mome Rath though, because that bot was specifically made to beat popups.

It's better to have 3-4 razors on fewer burst motors than to have 4 burst motors with 1 razor on them, you'll have a lot more weight to use. In fact, you can just put another 2 or 3 razors on each burst motor you have now and your offensive potential will last longer since you have more weapons. 

Probably the best thing you can do for yourself as an RA2 builder is read up on the link Reier posted, then import some of the robots in starcore into your botlab and try to figure out what's going on in them.

edit: movepixel (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=256) is really useful for stacking and editing your chassis.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Sage on March 04, 2016, 08:20:16 PM
Awesome first bot. You did your homework for sure.

Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Silverfish on March 05, 2016, 10:14:15 AM
Use small wedges over emergency wedges, they are superior in every way

Usually, this is true, but sometimes I have found emergency wedges better. Depends on the wedge. I would recommend testing out both if you actually care. :P
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Sage on March 05, 2016, 02:30:32 PM
Use small wedges over emergency wedges, they are superior in every way

Usually, this is true, but sometimes I have found emergency wedges better. Depends on the wedge. I would recommend testing out both if you actually care. :P

Show me a video of you getting under NWB with an emergency wedge and I'll believe you
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: 090901 on March 05, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
Use small wedges over emergency wedges, they are superior in every way

Usually, this is true, but sometimes I have found emergency wedges better. Depends on the wedge. I would recommend testing out both if you actually care. :P

Show me a video of you getting under NWB with an emergency wedge and I'll believe you

my 3wd chained vs with e-wedges on blue snappers seems to be able to get under NWB, if you guys want to test it out i can throw it on the exchange.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Reier on March 05, 2016, 05:51:54 PM
pretty sure E wedges are just worse because they're wider

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/58815wedges%20are%20gay.png)(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/10713wedges%20are%20gay%20pt2.png)

in DSL skirts are "less wedgy" the further you get away from the center of the wedge, I'm sure the same is true in stock. the one on the bottom will win basically every time
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Virus Bomb on March 05, 2016, 06:01:05 PM
that one big ass hw vs/juggler hybrid in mras' ai pack had e-wedges iirc and was wedgy af so there's always exceptions to the rule, especially with wedges
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: 09090901 on March 05, 2016, 06:25:16 PM
i don't find e wedges to be that bad, they're definitely more inconsistent with wedge-locking though
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on March 07, 2016, 05:14:23 PM
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Change the wheels to rubbers to improve wedging ability

Rubber wheels are 5 units heavier than shiny wheels, also I'm using the wedge for wedging, not the chassis.
Also rubbers made me get stuck on the slightest ramp on any non-flat arena. Not good...

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Use small wedges over emergency wedges, they are superior in every way

I don't know which physics engine used by the game. I have some experience with ODE. Where the ground penetration was a function of the force on the wedge, it's also a function on the joints connecting it to the main body. Regular contacts are static joints while contacts to burst motors are elastic joints. Probably that plays a great role. The actual shape doesn't matter I remember the one of heavy weight starcore robots have a tripod design with 2 wheels an one emergency wedge with 45 degrees angle to the floor. That bot's wedge was the better.

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Snapper 2 burst motors mounted perpendicular to the chassis produces the best wedges with the longest extenders.

Other sources claim that DDTs produce better wedges.

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You'll be able to win against HS more often if you put some armor on the front.

Thought of that. 2 small ramplates fit on the top of the wedge better that nothing... But not all HS-es strike on the same level. Probably I won't have enough weight to cover the entire wedge with ram plates.

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It's better to have 3-4 razors on fewer burst motors than to have 4 burst motors with 1 razor on them, you'll have a lot more weight to use. In fact, you can just put another 2 or 3 razors on each burst motor you have now and your offensive potential will last longer since you have more weapons. 

That's probably something I'm going to experiment with.
Others suggest the damage is calculated based on the penetration depth, which is a function of the velocity.

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You can stack the black batteries to save space, that way you can lower the chassis height.

I tried to stack batteries then gave up after 15 minutes, I didn't managed to do it. I also don't feel doing it is fair. While I think the lack of self collisions is intentional. The stacking, effes and axle loading glitches are probably not intended by the devs. It's almost like hacking the game and turning off collision detection altogether when building.







Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Kossokei on March 07, 2016, 05:24:09 PM
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You can stack the black batteries to save space, that way you can lower the chassis height.

I tried to stack batteries then gave up after 15 minutes, I didn't managed to do it. I also don't feel doing it is fair. While I think the lack of self collisions is intentional. The stacking, effes and axle loading glitches are probably not intended by the devs. It's almost like hacking the game and turning off collision detection altogether when building.
Not using glitches is equally unfair. Against you.

Glitching is an integral part of stock. I don't doubt with the research you've done that you could be competitive in stock without glitching, but it will only get you so far before seriously built bots chew you up.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Thrackerzod on March 07, 2016, 08:45:00 PM
Rubber wheels are 5 units heavier than shiny wheels, also I'm using the wedge for wedging, not the chassis.
Also rubbers made me get stuck on the slightest ramp on any non-flat arena. Not good...

No tournament ever (except for maybe some wacky gimmick ones) uses sloped arenas, so that's actually not a problem.  Also, the chassis being lower to the ground makes the wedge wedge better.  That said, usually it's not necessary, so most people only go for rubber wheels if there's literally nothing else they can spend 10 kg on.

Nice jorb for your first bot, though!  And glad to see you're actually reading and considering these suggestions!
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Sage on March 07, 2016, 09:41:35 PM
i knew i liked this guy. puts so much thought into building. reminds me of 123STW

glitching is what has kept stock fun and relevant for so long. other mods focus on the other aspects of building (realistic, less weapons, etc) that you may find interesting. Check out the Modifications section, specifically DSL  and Ironforge.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Reier on March 07, 2016, 11:36:40 PM
I tried to stack batteries then gave up after 15 minutes, I didn't managed to do it. I also don't feel doing it is fair. While I think the lack of self collisions is intentional. The stacking, effes and axle loading glitches are probably not intended by the devs. It's almost like hacking the game and turning off collision detection altogether when building.

come to the ironforge camp that stuff is banned there  :gawe:
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on March 08, 2016, 08:48:59 AM
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Snapper 2 burst motors mounted perpendicular to the chassis produces the best wedges with the longest extenders.
Other sources claim that DDTs produce better wedges.
You see, as long as the bot's near the weight limit it won't really matter what burst motor you use, in this game the only thing that really affects wedginess is the height of the burst motor relative to the wedge's current position, the flatter the better (Which is why Snapper2's seem like the best burst motor to use). However, if you put the burst motor back enough you can negate the height difference SnapperII/DDTs have and make a better wedge than if you slapped a Snapper2 on the front of the bot.

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You'll be able to win against HS more often if you put some armor on the front.

Thought of that. 2 small ramplates fit on the top of the wedge better that nothing... But not all HS-es strike on the same level. Probably I won't have enough weight to cover the entire wedge with ram plates.

Ramplates are not the only protective item in this game, lawnmowers, snowplows, casters, and bracket wedges work too. Get creative and figure out how to create maximum protection with the least amount of parts, it's the fundamental skill you need to learn to be good at this game.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Silverfish on March 08, 2016, 10:44:59 AM
I tried to stack batteries then gave up after 15 minutes, I didn't managed to do it. I also don't feel doing it is fair. While I think the lack of self collisions is intentional. The stacking, effes and axle loading glitches are probably not intended by the devs. It's almost like hacking the game and turning off collision detection altogether when building.

come to the ironforge camp that stuff is banned there  :gawe:
This is true about if, but the reason that so many glitches are allowed in stock is because look at the other packs. More components, more armor, more everything. If it weren't for glitches, stock would be a dead game. (and besides, they're fun sometimes too.  :smile:) One of my friends once asked me "Why would you want to have a bot that one-shots everything? Where is the fun in that?" my reply was and is "Because it's necessary."

Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Badger on March 08, 2016, 11:25:10 AM
I tried to stack batteries then gave up after 15 minutes, I didn't managed to do it. I also don't feel doing it is fair. While I think the lack of self collisions is intentional. The stacking, effes and axle loading glitches are probably not intended by the devs. It's almost like hacking the game and turning off collision detection altogether when building.

come to the ironforge camp that stuff is banned there  :gawe:
+1, ironforge ftw.

I think it's pretty annoying how the base, unmodded game is played in a way that's so hostile to beginners, DSL and especially Ironforge are so much easier to learn, and the fundamentals learnt from those mods can be then applied to stock, on top of the glitches etc.

As for the bot, I think the consensus is that wider wedges (as in the 2 wedges are further apart) are, for the most part, better, so making your bot wider would be a good thing. You could put your 4 drive motors on the blue snappers, which would help you shrink the chassis a LOT if you managed to stack those blacks, as you would only need room for the blue snappers in the chassis instead of 4 HP Z-tecs. Using rubber wheels also helps the wedges a lot.

Stock is all about squeezing the most efficiency out of a bot design as possible, so rebuilding the chassis a lot to minimize empty space (and therefore chassis weight) is essentials on nearly all stock bots. If you're feeling lost, I would recommend downloading some famous bots build by other people (I think R4 is a good example of a popup, and is relatively simple, though I could be wrong) and see how they are made.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on March 09, 2016, 02:54:06 AM
So far I just rearrenged the batteries and added more weapons and put the wedge holder burst motor to the farthest back into the chassis:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/40239bwod2.png)

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You could put your 4 drive motors on the blue snappers

Hmmm, so then I can just fold it inside. Never thought of that.

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You see, as long as the bot's near the weight limit it won't really matter what burst motor you use

Funny, that even I said that only the weight matters (if the physics engine works like the ODE), then I said DDTs. Gonna replace that with lighter motor in the next iteration.

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Ramplates are not the only protective item in this game, lawnmowers, snowplows, casters, and bracket wedges work too

Probably I will try to add lawnmowers... Eventually my bot will look like the "3-2-1 Blastoff" from Starcore. I just imported that bot to look under the hood. That robot is just ingenious. It just uses snapper2s but it's deadly, can self right and protected from front... But it's slow, an my wedge is better so I can just slide under it an rip out its guts.

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You probably still won\t be able to win against robots like Mome Rath though, because that bot was specifically made to beat popups.

What about two? (https://youtu.be/qZf6TiZq0XI) (of course probably I will never be able to make an AI that can do this again.)
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2016, 03:11:09 AM
In general, winning VS AI while driving yourself doesn't mean much, as it's not too hard to outsmart the AI. If your bot was controlled by the AI too I think it would get handled pretty easily =P

I can see that you're changing things around to improve the bot, which is good and it's getting better, but to get competitive at stock you need to learn glitches like the effe glitch and snapper loading. A bpt built without those glitches is not gonna have a good time in stock, for the most part.

Also, most popups have 2 wedges, on on either side, using the blue small wedges rather then emergency wedges, that might be something you want to look into.


Sage made a great thread with video tutorials on all the glitches that you'll need, which is super handy. Click here to view it. (https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=4512.0)
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on March 09, 2016, 03:47:22 AM
If you're having trouble with stacking, use movepixel (http://www.solidfiles.com/d/a384a6d301/movepixel_beta.rar), it's a tool that moves the cursor 1 pixel at a time so you can literally shift the items around until you get the stack instead of having to rub the mouse for 15 minutes and hope that you get the stack.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on March 10, 2016, 02:32:48 AM
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If your bot was controlled by the AI too I think it would get handled pretty easily =P

I see that AI stuff are done using Python language, but I'm still in doubt what are possibilities.
Is it possible to access the opponent's position and facing real time? If yes, then perhaps I can take the challenge of making a smart AI that attempts to dodge an flank the opponent.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Silverfish on March 10, 2016, 10:51:16 AM

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You probably still won\t be able to win against robots like Mome Rath though, because that bot was specifically made to beat popups.

What about two? (https://youtu.be/qZf6TiZq0XI) (of course probably I will never be able to make an AI that can do this again.)

I've done the same thing with Gravitic Reversal IV, and I still find that impressive. (shout out to really old bots)
Also, for an hw popup, you really only need two supervolts. Maybe 3. Even WITH the 4 ddts.
Finally, how many razors at this point?
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on March 14, 2016, 07:20:35 PM
In this iteration I used snappers to fold the wheels into the chassis, this way I could reduce the height.

Also added 2 large wedges instead of the one. The small wedges might be more wedgy but the opponent's wedges hitting me at an unwedged part is a bigger concern... I can avoid this by careful driving but if I AI the bot it probably won't be that careful.

Also it seems 3 supervolts can power 5 DDTs with 10 razors fine.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/27189bwod3.png)
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Sage on March 14, 2016, 09:14:34 PM
getting better! i think we all gave our 2cents already, just keep experimenting and posting :)
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: R1885 on March 14, 2016, 10:01:57 PM
I've powered six active DDTs on three blacks before, so you have just enough power there.

You should make sure the hp zteks have the flat side facing down, that way you can run rubbers on it.

Blue snappers make the worst wedges possible, I'd suggest making weight for snapper 2 wedges.


Also, the design heavily reminds me of Surgical Strike.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on March 15, 2016, 12:57:51 AM
I know you've sworn to never use glitches but there's a MUCH lighter way to attach the drive which would let you attach some armor on the bot.

Oh, and one more thing, when you're using SnapperII wedges NEVER EVER attach anything to the other attachment point, doing that makes the wedges more than useless and will cost you a tournament which is how Psycolone found about this the hard way.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on April 19, 2016, 04:17:09 PM
I made a middleweight (9 razors, 3 DDTs):

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/17959bwodmini.png)

And a lightweight version (4 razors, 1 DDT):

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/15060bwodmicro.png)

of my popup.

The reduced mass limit makes it hard to fit everything into the chassis, also horizontal spinners are a bigger threat now, the only chance against them is a lucky hit that can detach their tribars or spinner motors, otherwise it's not possibe to approach or penetrate their shield of razors (octomini xtreme was the most frustrating experience I ever had this game, perhaps I needed 20-30 attempts just to beat it once. )

One cannot fight scissors with paper.

Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Thrackerzod on April 19, 2016, 04:35:04 PM
Good work on space management!  Unfortunately, SnapperIIs (the blue bursts) usually make terrible wedges.  You'll want to try to upgrade to Snapper2s (green and purple). 

How many batteries are in the MW?
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Virus Bomb on April 19, 2016, 04:42:18 PM
nah blue snapper wedges are fine if there's no extra stuff on them, like motors. the lw popup is too slow though and has to be wider and more shallow if you want it to perform better against hses.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: DeadGenocide on April 19, 2016, 04:49:05 PM
Good work on space management!  Unfortunately, SnapperIIs (the blue bursts) usually make terrible wedges.  You'll want to try to upgrade to Snapper2s (green and purple). 

How many batteries are in the MW?
SnapperIIs (the blue bursts) usually make terrible wedges.

U ****ing wot
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: 09090901 on April 19, 2016, 04:53:44 PM
as long as it can self-right, the blue snapper is fine.

never seen mw popup that uses 3 DDTs for weapons before, i like it. it does need a longer wedge though, and 1 black is a little on the low side for all the motors. also, making the chassis wedge wider and more shallow would make it better against hs.

Good work on space management!  Unfortunately, SnapperIIs (the blue bursts) usually make terrible wedges.  You'll want to try to upgrade to Snapper2s (green and purple). 

How many batteries are in the MW?

SnapperIIs (the blue bursts) usually make terrible wedges.

U f'ing wot
gtfo
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Mr. AS on April 19, 2016, 05:12:24 PM
Getting snapper wedges onto a LW usually isn't that big of a concern as there are more HS/rammers to worry about than anything else.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Thrackerzod on April 19, 2016, 05:12:56 PM
nah blue snapper wedges are fine if there's no extra stuff on them

Really?  I always thought they were terrible.  Well, learn something new every day, I guess.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Naryar on April 19, 2016, 05:24:31 PM
SnapperIIs (the blue bursts) usually make terrible wedges.

U f'ing wot
gtfo

I want none of this in a new member's showcase ! I'll be watching this thread, so behave.

And DG, please do not argue over RA2 with stock builders that have about five times your experience, thank you.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: DeadGenocide on April 19, 2016, 05:35:27 PM
SnapperIIs (the blue bursts) usually make terrible wedges.

U f'ing wot
gtfo

I want none of this in a new member's showcase ! I'll be watching this thread, so behave.

And DG, please do not argue over RA2 with stock builders that have about five times your experience, thank you.
All I was just saying that I was confused. I wasn't trying to argue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jdP0ymYKY&t=9m53s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jdP0ymYKY&t=9m53s)
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on April 20, 2016, 05:23:37 AM
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it does need a longer wedge though

Perhaps a 20cm longer extender?

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and 1 black is a little on the low side for all the motors.

I know. But 3 underpowered DDTs still hit bigger than 2 well powered one it seems.

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making the chassis wedge wider and more shallow would make it better against hs.

I wonder how is chassis damage calculated. It seems smaller chassis can handle less punishment. I going to experiment with wider skirt like chassis to see how it works.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Gauche Suede on April 20, 2016, 08:02:56 AM
I wonder how is chassis damage calculated. It seems smaller chassis can handle less punishment. I going to experiment with wider skirt like chassis to see how it works.
Yeah it is, the bigger the surface-area the more HP the bot has, and thus the heavier the bot is
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on April 23, 2016, 06:11:46 AM
Rebuilt the middleweight one to have a long wide wedge:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/13288bwodmini3.png)

It performs much better against spinners.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Naryar on April 23, 2016, 06:35:03 AM
That's a strange chassis shape...
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on April 28, 2016, 05:16:22 PM
I made another LW popup with DSA armor:

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/49803bwod micro 6.png)

Now I began to AI my bots as well.

I made this bot to have "omni" AI, and made a little tournament where I challenged all Starcore V3 LW robots:

The result of the first round can be seen below. I was surprised the despite the not too shallow wedge it can finish many spinner with ease, it targets the hub of them and keeps locked on then then it pecks on the often exposed hp ztek on the opponent until the whole thing breaks off, then it can finish the naked chassis quickly.

The big weakness of this robot are those few plastic popups that can be found in this pack. They have light chassis and have wedges and reasonable firepower they can pick up it up and finish it quickly (but all of them are easily shredded apart by spinners).

There were many close calls, sometimes my bot won with a single razor left, sometimes it lost due to low score because it lost all razors early.

BWOD Micro 6 vs Starcore AI 23 - 12

Round 1 wins

Tempus Fugit: 1-0
Drone: 1-0
Poptart: 1-0
Sentinel Observer: 1-0
Billy Goat Gruff: 1-0
Sub-Orbital: 1-0
Jubjub Bird: 1-0
Battering Lamb: 1-0
Eagle Borg Scout: 1-0
Castle guard: 1-0
Whirlpool: 1-0
Scrap Box: 1-0
Reckless Infiltrator: 1-0
Uber-1337: 1-0
Blood Leech: 1-0
Anubis: 1-0
Breakout: 1-0
WedgeWhacker LW: 1-0
The odd bee: 1-0
Tick Tock: 1-0
Orion's Fury: 1-0
Button Man: 1-0
Klip: 1-0

Round 1 losses:

Aerial HK: 0-1
Cyclone: 0-1
Reaper: 0-1
Robo Rake: 0-1
Duster: 0-1
Click Me!: 0-1
Black Bull: 0-1
Wee VS: 0-1
Bitter Box: 0-1
Phale: 0-1
Zenith: 0-1
Mini Mauler: 0-1

Tomorrow I will play two additional rounds it's too late now...
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on April 29, 2016, 04:05:55 PM
I played two additional rounds today this is the result:

Owned (20):
Tempus Fugit: 3-0
Drone: 3-0
Poptart: 3-0
Billy Goat Gruff: 3-0
Sub-Orbital: 3-0
Jubjub Bird: 3-0
Battering Lamb: 3-0
Eagle Borg Scout: 3-0
Castle guard: 3-0
Whirlpool: 3-0
Scrap Box: 3-0
Reckless Infiltrator: 3-0
Uber-1337: 3-0
Blood Leech: 3-0
Anubis: 3-0
Breakout: 3-0
The odd bee: 3-0
Orion's Fury: 3-0
Button Man: 3-0
Klip: 3-0

In par with (8):

Cyclone: 2-1
Sentinel Observer: 2-1
WedgeWhacker LW: 2-1

Bitter Box: 1-2
Black Bull: 1-2
Aerial HK: 1-2
Mini Mauler: 1-2
Tick Tock: 1-2


Owned by (7):

Reaper: 0-3
Robo Rake: 0-3
Duster: 0-3
Click Me!: 0-3
Wee VS: 0-3
Phale: 0-3
Zenith: 0-3
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Naryar on April 29, 2016, 06:40:06 PM
Think you may be able to get normal zteks and maybe a DDT with it, although you may just need plastic to do it.
 
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Badnik96 on April 29, 2016, 09:36:43 PM
You should be able to put all those weapons on one snapper2. With the weight saved, I'd add armor or faster drive, depending on what popup you want to be. Wedges generally aren't needed in LW.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Thrackerzod on April 29, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
You should be able to put all those weapons on one snapper2.

I thought the rule was 3 razors per snapper2?
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on May 01, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Made some small changes, now it uses only 1 snapper2 with 3 razors, and added a wedge to have chance against other popups.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/16449bwod micro 7.png)

Found out to be much better than the previous one, now it was better than 29 of the starcore lightweights a defeated by only 6 in 3 round matches.

It's main weakness that it's prone to lose all it's weapons then lose by score.

BWOD Micro 7 vs Star core v3


OWNS (18):
Drone: 3-0
Poptart: 3-0
Sub-Orbital: 3-0
Jubjub Bird: 3-0
Aerial HK: 3-0
Castle guard: 3-0
Whirlpool: 3-0
Scrap Box: 3-0
Reckless Inflitrator: 3-0
Robo Rake: 3-0
Click Me!: 3-0
Uber-1337: 3-0
Black Bull: 3-0
Wee VS: 3-0
Phale: 3-0
Breakout: 3-0
The odd bee: 3-0
Tick Tock: 3-0

BETTER THAN (11):
Sentinel Observer: 2-1
Billy Goat Gruff: 2-1
Eagle Borg Scout: 2-1
Cyclone: 2-1
Blood Leech: 2-1
Anubis: 2-1
Zenith: 2-1
WedgeWhacker LW: 2-1
Orion's Fury: 2-1
Button Man: 2-1
Klip: 2-1

WORSE THAN (4):
Tempus Fugit: 1-2
Battering Lamb: 1-2
Duster: 1-2
Bitter Box: 1-2

REKT BY (2):
Reaper: 0-3
Mini mauler: 0-3
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Naryar on May 01, 2016, 07:01:49 PM
honestly you can ditch a wedge on a stock BW/LW popup; i wouldn't ditch wedges on any other popup though.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on May 03, 2016, 01:53:44 PM
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honestly you can ditch a wedge on a stock BW/LW popup

If I do that then LW popups in starcore 3 will wedge me up and beat me. The previous version didn't have wedges so and it was owned by all lw popups that had wedges.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on May 04, 2016, 02:19:22 PM
AI-ed my weird shaped middleweight bot too.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/99557bwodmini3.png)

I also fixed the popup.py so it keeps firing while the opponent chassis is within the range of the razors.

Ran a mini tournament against the starcore v3 in the Combat Arena with hazards off. The result is pretty much a massacre.

It was found to be better than 48 starcore bots (92%), only worse than 4 bots, and owned only by 1 bot.

BWOD Mini 3 vs Starcore v3

OWNED (37):
Ultraviolet: 3-0
Intruder Alert: 3-0
Billy Goat Gruffier: 3-0
Launch Platform One: 3-0
BanderSnatch: 3-0
Battering Ewe: 3-0
Borg Drone: 3-0
Hurricane: 3-0
Pandora's Box: 3-0
Man-at-arms: 3-0
Tentance Attack: 3-0
Cauton: Hazardous Contents: 3-0
Acrid: 3-0
Bucket of Nails: 3-0
Sweeper: 3-0
Win! Win! WIN!: 3-0
Ad-Aware: 3-0
Alpha: 3-0
RoAcH: 3-0
Aedes: 3-0
Scabies: 3-0
Octomini Xtreme: 3-0
Box of Pure Evil: 3-0
Jyro: 3-0
Orcus: 3-0
Loki: 3-0
Poseidon: 3-0
12xrt: 3-0
Emergency Fly-By: 3-0
Emergency Launch: 3-0
Wedge-B-Gone: 3-0
Dizzy Bees: 3-0
Critical contact: 3-0
Max Power: 3-0
Meteor: 3-0
Dirty Money: 3-0
Mini Karnage: 3-0


BETTER THAN (11):
Fury: 2-1
T-400 Infiltrator: 2-1
Vox: 2-1
1337: Breakdown: 2-1
Mutiny II: 2-1
Crimson Fury Xtreme: 2-1
Synergy: 2-1
Exploding Bees: 2-1
Robotic Bee: 2-1
Extreamliner: 2-1
Green time vortex: 2-1


WORSE THAN (3):
Praetorian: 1-2
Happy Returns: 1-2
XZAI 2: 1-2


REKT BY (1):
Epic Jr.: 0-3

Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2016, 02:48:50 PM
looks quite cool. thoughts:

small wedges are usually better than emergency wedges
you can shrink the chassis a bit more at the back, wheels can be outside the bot.

you can use the extra weight for another razor or 2
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Calmarius on May 04, 2016, 04:27:04 PM
And finally my heavy weight popup got his smart zone as well and used popup.py with it.

I made some changes since the previous version of my HW:

- removed one DDT and placed 4 extra razors so now it has 12 razors and more lethal than before.
- Replaced the shiny wheels with rubber wheels.

(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/55361BWOD 4.png)

I made a mini tournament in Combat Arena with hazards off. The results are devastating. It dominated pretty much every bot and no one could won 3 times in a row against my bot.

The 4 bot that were better than me are:

- Alien queen: it goes off balance and spin and tumble around the arena my bot got hammered into a pancake, although my bot once managed to give some good hits and managed to win.

- Express Delivery: That E shaped robot had a small middle wedge at the front which found it's way to go between my wedges, so he can knock of my wedges with his axes and then I had no chance to peel him off ground after that.

- Neglected Waterbug: This robot had simply better wedges and peeled me up with ease. My bot was lucky and won the  wedge war only once.

- Mome Rath: This one was a surprise. The surprise was that my AI controlled bot could beat it once from the 3 attempts! In one of the battles, when my bot rammed him at the beginning and managed to throw it off balance and flip it then catch its chassis exactly the right moment on the side while he was upside down, at this point his side extenders on one side came off and began tumbling without control, at this point my AI bot could score hit after hit until K.O.


BWOD 4 vs Starcore v3

OWNED (62):
Maelstrom: 3-0
Matrix Array: 3-0
Predator: 3-0
Vortex CE: 3-0
Rabid Pitbull: 3-0
Tempest Exterminator: 3-0
Lethal Force: 3-0
Billy Goat Gruffiest: 3-0
The Troll: 3-0
3-2-1 Blastoff: 3-0
Orbital Delivery Vehicle: 3-0
Jabberwock: 3-0
Battering Ram: 3-0
Flying Sheep: 3-0
T-800 Terminator: 3-0
Hunter killer tank: 3-0
Borg Queen: 3-0
Tidal Wave: 3-0
Jupiter: 3-0
Leprosy: 3-0
Death Cloud: 3-0
Black Knight: 3-0
Lancelot: 3-0
Kraken: 3-0
Ancient Leviathan: 3-0
Battlebox: 3-0
Wide cut: 3-0
Shedenator: 3-0
Street Sweeper: 3-0
Sanitizer: 3-0
Spaninator 2: Judgement Day: 3-0
Ultimate Spammer: 3-0
1337 Speek 2.0: 3-0
Papa Roach: 3-0
Rebel 2: 3-0
Anti Epic: 3-0
Spikefan: 3-0
Chopsticks: 3-0
Little Darling: 3-0
Infernium: 3-0
Mr. Hell: 3-0
Cideous: 3-0
Ranacide 3: 3-0
Osiris: 3-0
Void: 3-0
Final Operation: 3-0
Fatal Incision: 3-0
WedgeWhacker HW: 3-0
Bee Keeper: 3-0
Possessed Bee: 3-0
Lethal Weapon: 3-0
Texas Twister: 3-0
Crawler: 3-0
ACME Brick: 3-0
The Bloody Pendulum: 3-0
Inside the clock: 3-0
Time Pixie: 3-0
Alien Predator: 3-0
Tommy Gun: 3-0
The Don: 3-0
Karnage: 3-0
Super Karnage: 3-0


BETTER THAN (3):
Clockwork Hydra: 2-1
Insectoid: 2-1
Epic: 2-1


WORSE THAN (4):
Alien Queen: 1-2
Mome Rath: 1-2
Express Delivery: 1-2
Neglected Waterbug: 1-2


REKT BY (0):
(none)



Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Sage on May 04, 2016, 05:55:29 PM
nice, getting better.
Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Starcore on June 03, 2016, 10:09:59 PM
Might suggest you try against Starcore V4 Alpha

https://gametechmods.com/uploads/files/StarcoreV4Alpha2.zip

It added a number of newer techniques like DSA and rebuilds for many bots like Alien Queen to make more stable and powerful.

Let us know how you fair against the V4 Starcore Bots

Starcore

Title: Re: Calmarius' stock showcase
Post by: Squirrel_Monkey on June 04, 2016, 06:22:18 AM
Hey look it's Starcore.