Even though I'm not predominantly active I'll throw my hat into the ring. A few opinions will be similar to others.
A few things I would like to see:
1. A redesigned website and logo.
This will be considerably controversial but I do think the design of the website needs an overhaul. It's simple to use yes but I just think that visually the website isn't appealing. Yes you can choose themes but doesn't really add much.
However that logo seriously needs modernising. As a way to generate creativity I would like to see a competition for the community to see who could design a new logo.
2. RA2 Wiki integrated into the Website and reimagined. Personally I like the RA2 wiki cause it can be helpful but outside of an FAQ about the game, information about key members and tourneys and stuff like weapon types it can be thrown out or archived.
A proposal would be a history of the game and its community placed in a side section while the FAQ could replace the RA2 Wiki tab.
3. and I hate this one: Discord or Subreddit integration. As what a few have said the truth is that forums are becoming a thing of the past and while the forum has fought against the odds of being alive this long without needing to change the tune much, we need to modernise. The simple way is to change the forum into something like a Reddit-esque forum or like a few have said integrate Discord.
4. Bring back Playground or an equivalent. That is simple even though I remember it for a good while were most people posted. Still it should be brought back.
And thus my thoughts. It won't get heard as much but here goes.
I'm honestly a bit confused what this is even all about. I've seen some of the most activity and best irl style bots and tournaments in recent memory. I kinda feel like the "toxicity" meme has gotten out of control, and those not in the meme circle thinks it's an actual issue.
I agree with DSC about GTM being an excellent place for archiving information and having somewhere you can easily find links to things (ie IRL packs) and you don't have to bug someone on Discord for it, I know I can be slightly guilty of that. I like the idea that I can use it as a backup of all my bot files I'm particular fond of so I can download them if I have my computer crash and I had to get a new one or something, I'd be mortified if I ever was to completely loose some of them as they do take time and effort to make, even for my standard of building
Discord is great for the instant feedback and getting to know the members community better because you can have good flowing conversation, it's also great for instant feed back.
To sum up really as a newish member I love being part of this community and I'm grateful for how welcoming everyone has been but some amalgamation between GTM and Discord would be ideal as they both serve their purposes
I'd be down with the idea of having the top-rated bots from showcases being displayed on the front page. That selection process shouldn't be fully automated however.
I'd eventually get over the loss of losing the BOTM spot I've made my own since October, because there's a tremendous amount of creativity in the showcases that gets glossed over sometimes. Being able to ping a vote to highlight bots would at least give people.something to do when browsing showcases. I would disagree with BOTM being a joke, unless the joke is at my expense for trying to set a high standard for my entries.
Whilst I think that Discord has a role that should be more prominent, it should never replace the forum's functions entirely. Ultimately GTM to most people inside and outside the community is the forum, and as tarnished as that reputation has been, the last few months have imo made steps towards the right direction.
The forum at the very least is a far better way of archiving and organising information than the Discord will ever be. Example, I feel more comfortable knowing I have a thread for IRL pack chat that people can suggest stuff, than being.pinged randomly on Discord and having to search through a huge chat history for what was suggested.
The fact everything is recorded and organised is an advantage over Discord too. Whilst the wiki may see little real activity, it does a great job in archiving the history of GTM.
Also here's a controversial opinion: I do think this site needs a hall of fame or alumni section. Not something that is open to people voting 10 times for banned scumbags for the memes, but there are currently and past members of GTM who have achieved some notable milestones in terms of RA2 or real-life robotics. A section of the site dedicated to highlighting these people to newcomers or even random people browsing the site might be a nice addition.
Lastly, I agree with the sentiments that the GTM discord should be more prominent. It is what other communities base their views of us on, and its what most of us base our views on. Forums themselves are a relic of the past, killed off by subbreddits, and what remains were left were buried by discord. Like people mentioned earlier, the image system is a pain, and in general most discord functions are easier to use and mange for both the user and staff. If nothing else, from what I've seen is that most newer and more active users tend to prefer discord, while people who prefer the forum tend to contribute rarely and/or are borderline inactive. By no means am I trying to attack anybody for their activity, but I think it shows that the discord should be the primary focus, and that the discord is our best chance at gaining new members. Especially with how connected communities are nowadays.
outdated or not, the ability to save posts permanently is what matters in the end.. it's basically a complete waste to show bots on discord because of it
Sometimes, but not always, i agree forums are going out the door, but are not comply dead yet. I agree that sometimes saving a post is nice, but not always the best, i often like to keep lots of the stuff i post saved in an archive, but i almost never read most of it anyhow. A problem with that is that lots of the stuff you post is boring and you will forget about it anyhow. We do need better linking to the discord in someways, but you should still be able to get everything from the forum. What We Can theoretically do is have it so the discord is more for chatting and the forum is more for just information. Because who likes to wait hours for a response?
I have been hearing of this GTM is dead stuff and GTM is toxic stuff ever since i joined IIRC. And its not that bad.
Lastly, I agree with the sentiments that the GTM discord should be more prominent. It is what other communities base their views of us on, and its what most of us base our views on. Forums themselves are a relic of the past, killed off by subbreddits, and what remains were left were buried by discord. Like people mentioned earlier, the image system is a pain, and in general most discord functions are easier to use and mange for both the user and staff. If nothing else, from what I've seen is that most newer and more active users tend to prefer discord, while people who prefer the forum tend to contribute rarely and/or are borderline inactive. By no means am I trying to attack anybody for their activity, but I think it shows that the discord should be the primary focus, and that the discord is our best chance at gaining new members. Especially with how connected communities are nowadays.
outdated or not, the ability to save posts permanently is what matters in the end.. it's basically a complete waste to show bots on discord because of it
So is the concern here just that we're not active enough? It's hard to follow all the different things people are discussing and what the big issue is that we're even trying to solve. Personally, I guess I don't really see an actual problem; not every community is meant to be super active, and being less active doesn't have to mean anything bad.
Regardless, what I would advise is to have better incentives that recognize people for their hard work. RA2 is a weird kind of game that's about being creative and sharing your stuff as much as having "fun" building a bot. I think something like an organized, official-looking system that recognizes and/or archives our tournament winners and hosts would be good. Everyone wants a taste of the glory when we achieve something we're proud of! Lots of people already do this in their signatures. Taking part in the community can be a lot of work and it should be encouraged with rewards that are more concrete.
My Tournament is Big Rigs and The only reason i have not got to hosting it is because of time and not knowing how to fully make an arena. I think what we should do is have a section Where someone can ask someone to do stuff like that for them. We can even accept money.
I would also like a Playground section or Trash or Be Trashed Section, in this section there would be virtually no laws or administrator exept for a few.
For the Inactive stuff, i think we should put that all in a section called archives, so we can look at is as a memory and not look dead.
A thing for the hosting, i think there should be less of an approval process and more of a free for all, who cares if a tournament failes.
I think we should also in general have less administration, but lots of yall probably know that and disagree. We do not wanna become like ARC(I think its like 1 staff for every 5 active memebers). But lets not fight over this. I also would like more tolerance torward flaming.
All in all, ithink GTM is ok though IN General the hostings fin IMO accept the things i mentioned, most people dont even enter all the tournaments anyway. Also we should make it so any member can give KARMA and have less admin approved boards only and have more people have more freedom , such as when i tryed to host BOTM P.S I think we should unban HA and LRA2 We should also make it so if the host or GTM rules do not cover something, its perfectly legal
I know lots of yall will disagree with my libratrain and Capitalist ideas, but lets not fight rite now, if you have a problem jus PM me.
I guess I'll bite. most of what i have has already been said
1. I agree with reverting the tournament system back to the way it was is the best move. I feel that the personal tournament section has no real use anymore, and I would say it can safely be deleted. Right now it's essentially no different than the tournament section since neither board has any proper moderation or regulation. I agree with a system that better rewards hosts for their efforts, but I also think a system to punish repeat offenders shouldn't be out of the question. I know we we're planning on adding an awards system to the forum, perhaps other members might be interested? It could also be used for more than just the tournament section, for instance say BOTM or the challenge board.
2. The challenge board in general just needs to be loosened. Having topics set to approval only, only being allowed to be a part of one challenge at a time, and requiring a host to post a topic are flat out unnecessary for a board that is just supposed to be casual fights.
As for the challenge belt, I think it has potential, but it needs change. The whole "you need to have had an active challenge in the last 3 months" or whatever isnt helping, and I feel that an IRL bracket would be a decent addition. My idea was to have the IRL challenge belt be a BOTM style vote with all bots being anonymous and being sent to whoever the host was and then the host a community vote on who the winner was. There wouldn't be any fancy splashes of anything, just the bots and a poll to vote for your pick. Afterwards there would be an unofficial bracket for fun, but this wouldn't count towards who the challenge belt winner is.
3. For most of us I don't think the image system is that bad. Yes, I don't think anyone prefers it over the old one, but I understand why it needed to be changed. My only complaint is that it's a definite turn off I feel for new users as it really isn't all that well explained outside of a single topic.
4. An idea I had was maybe to have a system similar the UN security council. Have a core staff team, and each month you could promote trustworthy members to a temporary "trial" position, and then switch that user out every month with someone else. It might be out there, but I think it could be a good way to ease the divide between regular users and staff as well as help get a feeler for potential staff candidates.
Lastly, I agree with the sentiments that the GTM discord should be more prominent. It is what other communities base their views of us on, and its what most of us base our views on. Forums themselves are a relic of the past, killed off by subbreddits, and what remains were left were buried by discord. Like people mentioned earlier, the image system is a pain, and in general most discord functions are easier to use and mange for both the user and staff. If nothing else, from what I've seen is that most newer and more active users tend to prefer discord, while people who prefer the forum tend to contribute rarely and/or are borderline inactive. By no means am I trying to attack anybody for their activity, but I think it shows that the discord should be the primary focus, and that the discord is our best chance at gaining new members. Especially with how connected communities are nowadays.
I have a few other thoughts, but I feel those would be best shared privately (assuming you would still be willing to talk or w/e)
hey gamers, if you didn't have enough novels to read in this thread well youre in luck because im adding another one im gonna be very blunt and theres gonna be alotta typos so if you go stupid after reading than you know who to blame
(trigger warning)
part of the reason why i think the tournament section is a mess, and this goes into the fundamental reason why i think gtm has a problem, is because forums are archaic, obsolete, and a pain in the ass to use now. people need to realize that gtm now is more the discord than the forum and imo its been that way for the past 6 months or so. and i think this is a huge reason why people bail on tournaments is because whats the ****ing point of going on the forum now. another reason is because now theres no penalty for peaceing out of a tournament that youre running like you used to. i think a way to solve this would just be completely divorcing the discord from the forum and making gtm the discord and just let the forum die because the way i see it that's going to happen eventually. or i guess you could open a gtm subreddit just like every other dying forum has, but i wont go on it because i ****ing hate reddit and im an old man stuck in my ways but maybe others and new talented people will so i guess theres some hope there.
the challenge section is such a ****ing mess its honestly kind of captivating how you could take something that seemed to work the last time i was on gtm (before i came back around december of 2016) and turn it into such a cluster**** of spectacular proportions i think should be commended. When you now have a system set up where, from the way ive come to understand it, makes it to where no one can enter because of how ****ing retarded it is setup i think it causes it to be daunting for people who want to enter a challenge. idk if this is entirely dragonfires fault so i wont put too much blame on him, and honestly kudos to him for taking up that burden because you all know someoen like me is too lazy to but holy **** man its kind of amazing how you can take something that was going ok and then dropping a nuke on it calling that an improvement. how i would fix this is going back to the old system, where any two people can hold a challenge to terms they agree to, and finding a host who will film the match/matches accordingly. and then i guess have a leaderboard that iirc, sage used to have of all the matches and peoples overall record in challenges, which to me, seemd to go fine. i could be completely wrong on this and im sure someone will let me know since i dont have much expereience in challenges admittedly, outside of hosting a couple but the old system seemed to work perfectly fine from the cursory glance that i'd give it.
the image system to me is the same as the challenge board, taking something that was easy and made sense, and drop an atomic nuke on it and making it a complicated mess to where now i just use imgur for everything, so to me, fixing this would be just doing away with it entirely and just have people use imgur/whatever image/file host they prefer.
i think the 4th point is entirely valid, moving people to retired roles when they dont do sh** makes sense and just be done with that and moving in new people who you think will contribute and seeing that to your discretion as an admin.
in closing, i'd say that ra2, somehow, still has an audience and imo isnt dying and if you say that i think youre being shortsighted or just reactionary. when you look over at ahog/ahol or whatever its called now seems to be thriving from what people are saying, i havent personally looked at it but i'll believe what the people ive talked to have told me. honestly, idk how gtm could compete with them or what gtm can offer that ahol doesnt, and that reputation that gtm has of being toxic which i think is beyond retarded, is really hard to shake and it's left alot of people with a bad taste in their mouth although matt and other people's efforts to snuff out that reputation is commendable, that's something thats really hard to get over. so idk man, maybe im just a rambling old man and maybe what im saying doesnt mean anything but i've seen this happen with other forums that ive been apart of just dying as things like reddit, and discord have become more popular and are usurping that role that forums used to have. to me it really is adapt or die at this point. but ill leave again eventually going quietly into the night, it could be tomorrow it could be 3 motnhs from now idk but even though im pessimistic, it would be a nice surprise to see something radical done.