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Title: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 01, 2011, 10:43:30 PM
Yup, In the span of an hour or two, I managed to build this little guy.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/66993PIC00034.JPG)
Under side:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/57509PIC00036.JPG)
Built with four tools, a Buck Knife, a screw driver, a clamp, and my hands.
At this time being, it's not done yet, I need electronics and a radio.
Current progress was cutting the the base plate, mounting the motor, drilling some holes(Had to use my Buck knife, yuck  :dead: ), mounting the skid, and mounting the wheels. Not very professional, but it should work, once I get some electronics to get it to work.
Not sure what to call it, I was thinking of Anti-OxidANT, but it's a place holder so far.
What do you guys think of my shady job?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on July 01, 2011, 10:58:07 PM
I think you need to shrink the chassis. Judging by your hand it's almost as big as my 12lber unless of course your had is super small. :P

Trust me smaller chassis = good for same reasons it's good in RA2, smaller surface area target to hit, you can spend weight in thicker armor and you won't become the butt of large robot jokes. (last one isn't true)

I've never used that gearbox/motor combo but i've never heard anything great about it. Also how did you mount it? I don't see any screws on the bottom.

Sorry if this comes across as harsh. I'm only trying to help and I don't want your end result to be cannon fodder.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Pwnator on July 01, 2011, 11:06:03 PM
I don't see any screws on the bottom.

Look closer, bro. The nuts aren't in place though, which must be why they're kinda hard to see. :P
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Sparkey98 on July 01, 2011, 11:12:50 PM

Trust me smaller chassis = good for same reasons it's good in RA2, smaller surface area target to hit, you can spend weight in thicker armor and you won't become the butt of large robot jokes. (last one isn't true)


I'm pretty sure it's a good thing for this bot. If all the electronics are in one place in the center, they're protected and out of harms way by the large chassis.



Ra2 has ruined your comprehension for the way real robot combat works.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 01, 2011, 11:14:13 PM
I couldn't find nuts big enough to fit the screws, I'm using mostly recycled parts.
I am going to cut it down, but first I want to get the rest of the parts before that for sizing reasons.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on July 02, 2011, 01:53:37 AM
cool, im guessing 450g ant?

what speed control do you have in mind?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Thyrus on July 02, 2011, 01:59:50 AM
what do you do with your thumb? :O
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Vertigo on July 02, 2011, 02:45:36 AM
Basically, one question, do you live in the UK or US?

This is pretty important TBH, it determines what style of bot you are best making, and in the case of an AW, the actual weight limit
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 02, 2011, 09:11:59 AM
US style ant.
I plan to either gut some servos for ESC, or use Banebots ESC, which ever works.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on July 02, 2011, 01:54:25 PM
well, i recomend the sabertooth controlers, i used one in a (150g) ant and did better in competion than ever before
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Vertigo on July 02, 2011, 01:57:39 PM
I plan to either gut some servos for ESC
Urggh...

Don't :P
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on July 02, 2011, 02:44:33 PM
why not? cheap, simple and efective
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 27, 2011, 01:11:31 PM
Some news, look what I got in the mail yesterday :gawe: :
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/47181PIC00037.PNG)
(Would of made this post yesterday, but the Img loader was borked.)
Got a chance to play around with it, pretty fun to play with, don't know if I will mod it for combat.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: 090901 on July 27, 2011, 02:41:52 PM
I have one of those too.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on July 27, 2011, 02:49:51 PM
I wouldn't recommend modding it for combat. Ants now days are way too competitive for something like that to hold its own without getting completely torn up.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on September 22, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
So current plans at the moment:
AW: Final name has been chosen, the AW will now be Short Stop. All the progress that has been made is that the base plate has been cleaned up a bit.


New BW: I have modified an old RC car, to be ready for combat(AKA removing the plastic shell).
Currently it looks like this:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/49604PIC00043.JPG)
Needs a metal shell, but it should be ready for the next WAR. Future plans include hobby grade equipment, such as a new radio and ESC.


Hobby Weight idea: Currently in the planning phase, all that I can say right now that it looks strangely like Annihilation. I plan to use two Hyundai drills at 19.2 volts.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Somebody on September 22, 2011, 10:52:20 PM
You shouldn't have any future plans for it. It'll get shredded.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on September 22, 2011, 10:56:05 PM
You shouldn't have any future plans for it. It'll get shredded.
Better to die in glory than mold in my room. :gawe:
Anyway, Short Stop and Bionic(The BW) have been registered on Builders Data base.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on September 23, 2011, 02:08:21 AM
nah, i would have just chucked it
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Sparkey98 on September 23, 2011, 06:02:50 AM
Me gusta the chassis shape.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on September 23, 2011, 06:12:32 AM
Ra2 has ruined your comprehension for the way real robot combat works.

No it hasn't.


@Ribbs: It's really not worth it to enter a RC car. You get a turning radius the size of the arena with no pushing power and cheap plastic that isn't going to stand up to anything. Save your money from registration fees and what ever you were going to buy for that RC car. 
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Vertigo on September 23, 2011, 12:15:29 PM
Right advice time:

Look before you leap. Forget about rc cars and making other robots out of non-competitive parts. Make one proper antweight to start you off. i.e. Make sure you are using good motors, lipo's, good esc, good armour (HDPE if it can be sourced in the US). No, it won't be cheap, but cheaper than buying a new rc car every time it gets smashed up. And do a proper job, then build your way up from there.

You hear too many people saying "Hey, look I'm building this!" Then two days later saying "Now I'm building this!", you get too many jobs to keep track of, and they don't get finished. Make your antweight, and don't do a cheapy job, try to make something competitive. When something goes wrong, work out how to fix it, keep ploughing on, untill you have made something that works well. THEN maybe move onto something a little bigger.

May sound harsh, but so many people spend lots of money on projects that are never finished or wasted due to lack of experience. The best way is to start at the bottom, it's what we did, and now we've got the 2nd Place FW in the UK and have just completed building a heavyweight version.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on September 23, 2011, 12:59:08 PM
started at the bottom and im still there :laughing i quite like it though
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Sparkey98 on September 23, 2011, 02:11:48 PM
Ra2 has ruined your comprehension for the way real robot combat works.
lol I quote two month old posts

How do detect sarcasm.



Guys let him do what he wants, RFS won like three competitions with broken RC tanks. As long as he knows what he's doing I'm sure he can make a semi-successful beetle. Now of course he might not do well, but it's about having fun, not winning.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Vertigo on September 23, 2011, 03:03:08 PM
Ra2 has ruined your comprehension for the way real robot combat works.
lol I quote two month old posts

How do detect sarcasm.



Guys let him do what he wants, RFS won like three competitions with broken RC tanks. As long as he knows what he's doing I'm sure he can make a semi-successful beetle. Now of course he might not do well, but it's about having fun, not winning.
I gave him advice, up to him whether he uses it or not
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on September 23, 2011, 04:11:07 PM
we should organize a GTM real robot competition with all this building :P

one for the us, one for the uk and one for Joey's robots in australia :P
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Jack Daniels on September 23, 2011, 04:22:43 PM
one for Joey's robots in australia :P

He could face Doomkiller.  Though I think dk's entry would be a firey ball of cardboard with hundreds of shaving razors taped to it.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Naryar on September 23, 2011, 05:08:00 PM
dude so much empty space into that wedge

Also what weapon are you going to mount on your RC car thing ?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on September 24, 2011, 11:24:27 PM
Found a Harbor Freight coupon in the Sunday paper, will get a pair of drills Tomorrow.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on September 25, 2011, 02:45:57 AM
good on that man!! thanks for taking it seriouly
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Vertigo on September 25, 2011, 03:02:53 AM
Found a Harbor Freight coupon in the Sunday paper, will get a pair of drills Tomorrow.
If you are going to go for it, make sure you get some decent drills, dewalts are generally the best
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on September 25, 2011, 07:22:22 AM
The old HF drills were great, the new ones, not so much...

The've got a plastic 1st stage reduction, which I can only assume will break under impact. I cannot comment on their actual durability though because no one has used the motors in combat yet.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on September 25, 2011, 09:48:20 AM
Only way to know is to test them.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 02, 2012, 10:29:33 PM
DP.
I have accumulated 115 dollars over the Christmas holiday. I'm going to use it to finally finish Short Stop. Before I start buying parts, I would like to get a cirque from another builder on my parts list:
Drive: http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-70097.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-70097.html) I already own this.
Wheels: http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-TAM70101.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-TAM70101.html) Kinda like these, I already own them.
ESC: http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-SABER2X5-RC.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-SABER2X5-RC.html)
Battery: http://www.fingertechrobotics.com/proddetail.php?prod=R360-20-2 (http://www.fingertechrobotics.com/proddetail.php?prod=R360-20-2)
Charger: http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-GPMM3010.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-GPMM3010.html)
Radio: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9042__Hobby_King_2_4Ghz_6Ch_Tx_Rx_V2_Mode_2_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9042__Hobby_King_2_4Ghz_6Ch_Tx_Rx_V2_Mode_2_.html)
Thing to connect battery to ESC: http://www.fingertechrobotics.com/proddetail.php?prod=am-9017a&cat=10 (http://www.fingertechrobotics.com/proddetail.php?prod=am-9017a&cat=10)

So, any suggestions?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on January 02, 2012, 10:56:22 PM
I'd use the fingertech tiny escs (http://www.fingertechrobotics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ft-tinyESCv2)

Just to let you know, JST connectors are a pain in the butt because they are so small.

Overall besides I don't like those motors you don't have any bad parts that stand out to me, but the again I don't really build anything in the insect classes.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 02, 2012, 11:03:06 PM
I thought about the Fingertech Tiny ESCs but they cost more for two when the Saber Tooth is four dollars less and handles more current.
Thanks for the heads up about the JST connector.
I'd upgrade to Copals but I simply don't have the money for new drive motors and wheels. I have a spare gear box from my senior project for parts if I strip any gears.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on January 03, 2012, 05:51:44 AM
i have used one of those gearboxes before and i can say they are rubbish!
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Vertigo on January 03, 2012, 12:51:06 PM
Everything's fine apart from the motors, and the wheels aren't too great either
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 07, 2012, 09:24:13 PM
Bad news, the radio I wanted from Hobby King became back ordered, and will restock in 30 days. With their infamous shipping times, Short Stop would in now way be ready for the next WAR. What I want to know is if this radio: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spektrum-DX4e-DSMX-4-Channel-Full-Range-Transmitter-Mode-2-/280802349791?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41611fd2df#ht_921wt_754 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spektrum-DX4e-DSMX-4-Channel-Full-Range-Transmitter-Mode-2-/280802349791?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41611fd2df#ht_921wt_754)
will work with this receiver: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11965__OrangeRx_R610_Spektrum_DSM2_6Ch_2_4Ghz_Receiver_w_Sat_Port_.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11965__OrangeRx_R610_Spektrum_DSM2_6Ch_2_4Ghz_Receiver_w_Sat_Port_.html)
If it does, I should be able to finish Short Stop for WAR on time.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on January 07, 2012, 09:26:51 PM
Yep the will work with each other.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on January 08, 2012, 08:44:21 AM
eeeugh dx4e
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 08, 2012, 03:40:39 PM
I has more cash :gawe: .
Would this motor work nice?
http://www.fingertechrobotics.com/proddetail.php?prod=tam72003 (http://www.fingertechrobotics.com/proddetail.php?prod=tam72003) 
This was once a part of VDD. Should I use it?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on January 08, 2012, 03:49:02 PM
looks terible
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on January 08, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
There's a reason it's only $6, because it's crap. The cost of spares you'd blow through in a competition would equal or be more than a the cost of fingertech gold spark motors.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 08, 2012, 05:44:07 PM
It's either that or the motors I have already.
Unless someone's willing to donate gear motors, I have no choice. I have very little cash in building terms.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 10, 2012, 11:53:11 AM
I've done a total recalculation, here's the new parts list:
Motors: Kitbots 1000 RPM gear motors
Wheels: BaneBots 2-7/8 green wheels with hubs
ESC: Sabertooth 5
Battery: Rhino 11.1 volt 750 mAh
Charger: Poly Charge 1-3 cell
Radio: Spektrum(?) Dx4e with Hobbyking orange Rx
Any better from last time?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on January 10, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
I'd personally use lite flites but that's just me...
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: haz on January 10, 2012, 02:16:40 PM
save up and get a dx5e
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 13, 2012, 10:00:17 PM
At this point, I'm thinking of just getting a Viper Kit from FingerTec, after getting a cheapo charger and transmitter battery from robot market place to power it. Good idea?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on January 13, 2012, 10:05:40 PM
The Viper isn't going to be competitive with it's chassis but if it's still selling for $110, its a steal, in terms of what you get out of it.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 19, 2012, 08:35:04 AM
I have ordered a Viper Kit, and it will arrive hopefully in time for WAR.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 05, 2012, 11:43:39 PM
So, long time no see.
Thanks to generous relatives, I now have 225 dollars to work with, so I decided to finally make a competitive antweight, and I have made a list of parts:
Drive: Four 33:1 FingerTech Silver Sparks
ESC: A pair of Tiny Esc V2s
Radio: Hobbyking 6 channel
Power: http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EFLB4303SJ.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EFLB4303SJ.html)
Charger: http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/DYN4101 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/DYN4101)
Wheels: 2.5 inch Lite Flites w/ Finger tech hubs
Armor: 3/4 inch UWMH sides, 1/16 inch thick garrolite top and bottom plate
Weapon: .125 inch thick 7075 aluminum hinged wedge

Anyone see any problems?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: MikeNCR on July 06, 2012, 12:11:11 AM
So, long time no see.
Thanks to generous relatives, I now have 225 dollars to work with, so I decided to finally make a competitive antweight, and I have made a list of parts:
Drive: Four 33:1 FingerTech Silver Sparks
ESC: A pair of Tiny Esc V2s
Radio: Hobbyking 6 channel
Power: http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EFLB4303SJ.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-EFLB4303SJ.html)
Charger: http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/DYN4101 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/DYN4101)
Wheels: 2.5 inch Lite Flites w/ Finger tech hubs
Armor: 3/4 inch UWMH sides, 1/16 inch thick garrolite top and bottom plate
Weapon: .125 inch thick 7075 aluminum hinged wedge

Anyone see any problems?

the 2.5" wheels with 33:1 sparks will make for a pretty big ant. On a 3s lipo I was running 1.75" lite flites with 22:1's and 1.125" lite flites(turned on a lathe because I do silly things with wheels) with 11:1 gearboxes and only one motor per side. If you drop the wheel size and gear ratio you'll be able to make the body a bit more compact and up the armor a bit.

I'd also suggest steel for the wedge if you have weight, the aluminum will get chewed up quickly.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 12, 2012, 12:00:59 AM
I think I'm going to drop the silver sparks in my robot for now, WAY to much for right now, they eat up almost half of my budget. Does four 50:1 gold sparks sound good?

I also will drop the wheel size to 2 1/4 inches. Armor will still be 3/4 inch UWMH, and top and bottom will be 1/16 inch thick garolite. The wedge will now also be 1/8 thick hardened chrome-moly.

Should I move the wheels into my bot? Or should I keep the inside. I'm not sure, because I want to go to ComBots in October.

Also, should I drop the Original Sin hinged wedge, or go with a static wedge and risk other wedges get under me?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: MikeNCR on July 12, 2012, 08:46:13 AM
I think I'm going to drop the silver sparks in my robot for now, WAY to much for right now, they eat up almost half of my budget. Does four 50:1 gold sparks sound good?

I also will drop the wheel size to 2 1/4 inches. Armor will still be 3/4 inch UWMH, and top and bottom will be 1/16 inch thick garolite. The wedge will now also be 1/8 thick hardened chrome-moly.

Should I move the wheels into my bot? Or should I keep the inside. I'm not sure, because I want to go to ComBots in October.

Also, should I drop the Original Sin hinged wedge, or go with a static wedge and risk other wedges get under me?

There's not a ton of weight difference between the silver and gold sparks, and in my experience, the silver sparks hold up to combat much better than the golds.

It sounds like you've got a lot more armor than you'll likely need, which is eating up a bunch of the weight. With Kobalos, I had a 3/32" thick unhardened steel wedge and while it got scuffed and gouged, nothing ever got through it. The 3/4" UHMW is also probably a good bit more than you'll need.

Internal vs. external wheels is a tough choice. Internal wheels will be better protected, but you'll also have a better chance of getting immobilized or wedged into a position where you don't have as much or any traction. Gilbert ( http://www.buildersdb.com/botdetails.asp?eventid=352&BotID=6703 (http://www.buildersdb.com/botdetails.asp?eventid=352&BotID=6703) ) is one of the better examples of the general type of robot you're going for,  so it may be worth looking at some of what was done with that bot.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on July 12, 2012, 09:27:50 AM
3/4" uhmw is more than enough for a 30... Realistically you can go as thin as 3/8" and still hold a screw fine. 1/8" chromoly is really thick and heavy. Did you check your weight yet? I can't see how you are going to cram everything in for less than 1lb. I just did some rough estimates and came up with about 16 oz spent on the frame, wedge, and top/bottom armor.

You are also going to be on the large and slow side with the wheels and motors you want to use (about 1mph on 3s) You would be fine with 4 11:1 sparks and 2 1/4" wheels (about 5mph on 3s).

Math:  [(motor output rpm) * (wheel dia) / 366] = speed of robot in mph

It would almost be cheaper to switch building a 3 and using kitbots 1000rpm motors (http://kitbots.com/product.sc;jsessionid=96A35EBC679D6D1129F5176AEAB68A58.qscstrfrnt02?productId=20&categoryId=1) with two botbitz6 (http://www.botbitz.com/) esc's
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 12, 2012, 11:29:41 AM
I see what you guys mean.
I never knew about botbitz, I'll have to go there more often.
What I meant by "don't have the budget for the motors" I meant the price of the motors. I think I will drop the sides thickness to 1/8 inch. I'm not using the sides to hold the screws, I'm using kitbots nut strips.
Yeah, that wedge thickness is massive over kill. So I'm dropping to 1/16 thick. I'm keeping the Garolite thickness, though.
...You can tell that I studied big robots more than small ones.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on July 12, 2012, 11:37:37 AM
1/8" uhmw is kinda... uh... flexible... 1/4" is about as think as you can go while keeping *some* rigidity.

Kitbots 1000rpms are $12 and silver sparks are $24. 4 tiny esc's are going to run you $134. two Botbitz6's are $34 plus shipping.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 12, 2012, 10:57:23 PM
Hey, is this a good price? I want to replace my cheap ass Hobby King Radio.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spektrum-Dx6i-6-Channel-2-4ghz-Dsm2-/110914521091?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item19d3054803 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spektrum-Dx6i-6-Channel-2-4ghz-Dsm2-/110914521091?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item19d3054803)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: MikeNCR on July 12, 2012, 11:06:25 PM
Hey, is this a good price? I want to replace my cheap ass Hobby King Radio.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spektrum-Dx6i-6-Channel-2-4ghz-Dsm2-/110914521091?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item19d3054803 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spektrum-Dx6i-6-Channel-2-4ghz-Dsm2-/110914521091?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item19d3054803)

Yeah, probably too good a price. I'd expect it to end up between $75 and $125 by the time the auction ends. I currently have two, one for my non wedge bots, and another that's my girlfriends.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Phoenyx on July 12, 2012, 11:08:07 PM
At the moment it's a third of what I spent on mine new. Go for it.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 26, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
Hey, is this a good drill to cannibalize?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RYOBI-18v-1-2-CORDLESS-DRILL-P204-18-volt-v-/310224371789?pt=Drills&hash=item483ad0404d (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RYOBI-18v-1-2-CORDLESS-DRILL-P204-18-volt-v-/310224371789?pt=Drills&hash=item483ad0404d)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: MikeNCR on July 26, 2012, 06:53:37 PM
Hey, is this a good drill to cannibalize?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RYOBI-18v-1-2-CORDLESS-DRILL-P204-18-volt-v-/310224371789?pt=Drills&hash=item483ad0404d (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RYOBI-18v-1-2-CORDLESS-DRILL-P204-18-volt-v-/310224371789?pt=Drills&hash=item483ad0404d)

Haven't seen anyone using them as robot motors, so there may not be any ready to go mount options, but I use those drills for actual drilling purposes and they seem to be pretty tough/powerful.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on July 26, 2012, 06:56:28 PM
no. its a two speed. two speeds are a pain in the ass to work with because of the gearbox construction. everything is held together with the drill casing. the harbor freight 900rpm (http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/cordless-drills/18-volt-cordless-38-drilldriver-with-keyless-chuck-68239.html) drill is actually cheaper, comes with a battery/charger and have a proven record in both the 12 and 30 weight classes. I also have an instructable on how to hack them (http://www.instructables.com/id/Hacking-Drills-CheapPowerful-GearboxMotors-for-/).
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 26, 2012, 07:12:32 PM
How well do they take over volting? My application is a power full hobbyweight push bot, like the Brazilian robot Puminha.
Looks like this.
(http://www.buildersdb.com/botpics/5447.jpg)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on July 26, 2012, 07:27:31 PM
anything above 5s kinda melts the brushes...

[(motor output rpm*wheel dia) / 366] = speed of robot in mph

[(900*4) /366] = 10mph

that's plenty fast for a 12 pushy bot. The 12 "Tough Nut" was running 4 hf drills with 3" wheels and was "fast" compared to most other 12's.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on September 12, 2012, 06:22:59 PM
Ok, time for an update:
Short Stop is almost done, all I need to do for it is get a better battery and bit of nut strip. For ComBots, I was thinking of building a Beetle. So I have some quick questions:
How well do the B62 motors take 22.2 volts? Some other beetles seem to handle it fine. I'm going to be using these (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-T40P-243BG-HS4.html) wheels. Sound good?
Also, anyone else use Zippy lipos? I was thinking of using a pair of three cell lipos and wiring them for 22.2 volts.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on September 12, 2012, 06:30:36 PM
Kitbots 1000rpm motors (http://kitbots.com/product.sc;jsessionid=6D68417784951010D2D332E8A642F672.qscstrfrnt01?productId=20&categoryId=1) are basically the same thing as a B16. They don't like anything above 4s so I'd think it would be safe to assume that the B62 wouldn't be happy at that voltage either.

Any reason for using a B62 and over volting it? If its for drive 4 of theKitbots 1000rpm motors (http://kitbots.com/product.sc;jsessionid=6D68417784951010D2D332E8A642F672.qscstrfrnt01?productId=20&categoryId=1) at 3s can push around 12 lbs.


I have a couple of 3s 1000mah zippys and they work fine in my 3.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on September 12, 2012, 06:49:02 PM
I want over volted B62's because I want acceleration. B16's and 1000RPM gear motors put out plenty of speed, but I want to cover more ground very quickly. Plus, the Kitbot motors with hardening and deans connectors cost 28 dollars, so I figured that I might as well go with the slightly more torquey and better built B62.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on September 12, 2012, 07:34:25 PM
You don't need the battle hardening. All it is is they loctite the gearbox together. It's not that hard to do. All you need is loctite and a pack of chinadeans (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11961__Nylon_T_Connectors_10_Pairs_20pc_.html). Kitbots even has instructions on their site (http://www.teamrollingthunder.com/Kitbots/Battle_Harden/body_battle_harden.html). Yeah I know its for the OMFGBB 24 mm boxes but its basically the same process. The 1000rpm motors are pretty durable. I've only lost one and that was against Bushwacker. The all kitbots kits, Ripto, and Cohesion all run them and they rarely have failures.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on September 12, 2012, 07:49:35 PM
I've heard really bad things about fake deans connectors. I would REALLY want stay away from those. Plus, I want acceleration like a bullet, rather than a car.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Phoenyx on September 13, 2012, 09:26:28 PM
I've heard really bad things about fake deans connectors. I would REALLY want stay away from those. Plus, I want acceleration like a bullet, rather than a car.

In that case, use Traxxas connectors just to be sure, although they can be a bit of a pain to wire initially. Deans are great, but their only advantage over the Traxxas connectors is their slightly lower weight, which in this case shouldn't effect anything. They both have the same internal resistance and the Traxxas connectors can take more abuse (Deans are made with the same plastic as Molex connectors but thicker, while Traxxas connectors are made with a carbon composite plastic).
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 30, 2013, 08:25:44 PM
Ok, update time.
Short Stop about 85% done, I need to wire the battery, fix some electrical problems, and make a wedge plate.
Here's the most recent photo I have of the bot currently:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/54811PIC00064.JPG)
Current weight is about 14 ounces.


...yes, my ant has a big ass ni-cad, don't judge me.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: MikeNCR on January 30, 2013, 08:39:11 PM
A few quick things-


The AR600x, as far as I know, doesn't failsafe correctly. Luckily rx's that do are cheap.


I use this one in my ants: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11972__OrangeRx_R410_Spektrum_DSM2_Compatible_4Ch_2_4Ghz_Receiver.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11972__OrangeRx_R410_Spektrum_DSM2_Compatible_4Ch_2_4Ghz_Receiver.html)


This should work if you need 6 channels: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__31224__OrangeRx_R620_Spektrum_JR_DSM2_Compatible_Full_Range_6Ch_2_4Ghz_Receiver_w_Failsafe.html (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__31224__OrangeRx_R620_Spektrum_JR_DSM2_Compatible_Full_Range_6Ch_2_4Ghz_Receiver_w_Failsafe.html)


If you need to save space/weight, you could switch to mini-deans or jst connectors: http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-CAJSTX.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-CAJSTX.html) or http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0C-DMICRO.html (http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0C-DMICRO.html)


Eventually swapping to a lipo would be good, but at least for now you'll have plenty of run time.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on January 30, 2013, 09:02:52 PM
why use connectors? it takes like 5 seconds to solder 22 gauge wire onto a small motor like that.

your big ass nicad is way too big and heavy. you should use 9v's like the kit specified or use a 3s lipo.

you need to remove weight because 2oz of anything isn't going to make that last in competition.

why not use the a 3s 450mah lipo, cut off the front of the frame just forward of the motors and make a legit wedge?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on February 06, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
To make a long story short, I got 30 bucks to use, and I have a simple question:
Does this (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=24289) charge this (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__11895__Turnigy_nano_tech_370mah_3S_25_40C_Lipo_Pack.html) correctly?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on February 06, 2013, 08:21:23 PM
i don't know. i love the turnigy nano tech batteries but i don't own a hobbyking charger.

i'd sell or return your receiver and buy one of these


http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=28554 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=28554)

 to get you around $40-50
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on November 26, 2013, 08:16:57 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/40589PIC00089.JPG)
Something is happening.
Current plans are to invest in a lipo battery, fashion the armor from garolite using the plastic template, and to invest in a steel or titanium wedge. Secondary plans are to get bigger wheels, get 33:1 or 22:1 silver sparks when they restock them, and to make a new frame from UHMW plastic.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on November 26, 2013, 10:31:07 PM
Looking nice so far. I'd swap out the 9 volts using the mod that Fingertech has on their site so you can get a lipo on it. Certainly helped Slim Pickens.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on December 04, 2013, 07:34:28 PM
Cardboard template is basically done, will post latter tonight.
Also, should I go for 4-40 nut strip or 6-32 nut strip? Also, Lexan or Garolite?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on December 04, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
I can confirm what Badnikc said :)

Wait, what's the weight at now?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on December 04, 2013, 09:52:21 PM
Cardboard template is basically done, will post latter tonight.
Also, should I go for 4-40 nut strip or 6-32 nut strip? Also, Lexan or Garolite?

lexan is tougher than garolite but either option will get vaporized against a good spinner.

4-40 to stay consistent with the screws on the viper.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on December 04, 2013, 11:03:32 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/32934PIC00091.JPG)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/69290PIC00092.JPG)
Will order Lexan and Cromemolly from online metals, and a lipo with required connector, wire blocks, bearings, nutstrip, and more screws from Fingertech.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on December 04, 2013, 11:08:56 PM
Very nice. One thing I'd recommend is putting your aerial inside the bot. FireArrow had it inside and ran fine.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on December 04, 2013, 11:16:38 PM
Very nice. One thing I'd recommend is putting your aerial inside the bot. FireArrow had it inside and ran fine.
Its outside because it was rubbing on one of the wheels, will put it in the bot when I get the chance.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on March 07, 2014, 12:12:27 AM
Good news, new parts have been ordered from Fingertech. Lipo battery, no more nine volts! Nutstrip! New Wheels and hubs! Garolite! All sorts of things!
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on March 07, 2014, 09:55:10 AM
Excellent. Aiming for any competitions right now, or just planning to get it done?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on March 07, 2014, 12:56:47 PM
Excellent. Aiming for any competitions right now, or just planning to get it done?
Mostly to get it done, but there is a competition in Seattle next month that I could go to.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on March 18, 2014, 05:03:30 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/24253PIC00110.JPG)
Parts came in the mail today....






....And I just found out that my battery charger is totally dead. It won't power on at all. Damn it.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on March 18, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
Looks good dude.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on March 24, 2014, 10:09:34 PM
OK, I had to redo the card-board templates because the looked really sloppy.
So, with out further-ado, the new templates:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/50616PIC00115.JPG)
Much better I think, bigger wedge, better top plate, and looks like it could protect it. Also not sure if you guys can notice, but the wheels are bigger that before.
Old template side by side;
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/4229PIC00111.JPG)
Sadly though, this made a new flaw:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/1522PIC00119.JPG)
The thing stands on its ass. Perhaps this will change when the wedge becomes steel, but I dunno.

That's all for now. I've been offered to clean my bathroom for a new charger, so hopefully I'll have something to charge my Lipo.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on March 24, 2014, 10:19:08 PM
don't have your axles poking through the armor something will bend and bind the motor.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on March 24, 2014, 10:34:19 PM
Maybe you could round off the back end?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on March 24, 2014, 10:34:59 PM
don't have your axles poking through the armor something will bend and bind the motor.
Eventually I will(They will also be supported by ball bearings) but at the moment, they're the only thing keeping the bot unstable on its sides. I think I could remake another wedge to do the same thing like Mike did with Kabalos, but again, I dunno.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on March 24, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
ball bearings won't help when your frame bends because it will. bearings that small are pointless in an application like that. if you do keep your shafts like that, bore out the armor to at least .25 to leave room so it wont bind when the bot bends
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on March 24, 2014, 10:55:07 PM
ball bearings won't help when your frame bends because it will. bearings that small are pointless in an application like that. if you do keep your shafts like that, bore out the armor to at least .25 to leave room so it wont bind when the bot bends
Thanks for the tip man.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on April 27, 2014, 11:20:06 PM
New parts on route from Hobbyking. No charger, but some parts to make a new little robot. Also a Lipo sack and an Orange receiver so I can finally start using my Spektrum.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on April 30, 2014, 08:24:46 PM
Hail to the king:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/48948PIC00132.JPG)

Also, one of the new mini Orange recivers being darwfed by a mini mag light:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/47469PIC00133.JPG)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on April 30, 2014, 08:32:09 PM
Short Stop's gonna have a lifter now? Kewl. Thought it was just gonna be a wedge.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on April 30, 2014, 08:45:13 PM
Short Stop's gonna have a lifter now? Kewl. Thought it was just gonna be a wedge.
I have a bigger servo for that, Shorty is sticking to the wedge though.
The servos are for something else, you'll see soon enough.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on May 01, 2014, 08:19:17 PM
Progress!
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/58101PIC00134.JPG)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on May 01, 2014, 08:21:28 PM
I'm curious as to exactly what that is, surely that isn't a new cardboard mockup for your ant?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on May 01, 2014, 08:46:01 PM
I'm curious as to exactly what that is, surely that isn't a new cardboard mockup for your ant?
Its a card board mockup, but not for an ant...
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on May 01, 2014, 08:58:14 PM
fairy, i assume?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on May 01, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
fairy, i assume?
Yup. Not made to be competitive and made from mostly hand-me downs and cheap parts. This thing wont even run lipoly.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on May 25, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
Update time:
I'm clear for Clash of the bots in July, I'll be packing two(maybe three) bots. Bots I'll bring are:

Short Stop: Work has halted, hopefully will order battery charger this week, final preparations for armor construction will be complete sometime this week, hopefully will get electrical system finished.

Gate Stop(Formally Cavity): All necessary parts have been acquired, final chassis mock-up has been created, construction will begin this week and will hopefully be finished sometime this week as well. Current mock-up in this


NEW BOT, Guest Stop: Picked up some clearance servos from Radio shack(for free none the less), Guest Stop is intended for filler, family members to drive around, or if Shorty goes out of commission either now or in the future. It will be super simple to control and easy to maintain. Essentially a chunk of steel driven around with speed hacked servos.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on May 26, 2014, 09:49:59 AM
Why Clash of the Bots and not Bot Blast? :P

But anyway Gate Stop is looking good. Good luck dude.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: MikeNCR on June 02, 2014, 11:08:12 PM
If you're planning to go the Clash of the Bots you should register asap.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 10, 2014, 12:49:42 AM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/13926PIC00147.JPG)
The fleet prepares for shipment....
Left is Short Stop, right is Guest Stop, middle is a mess(A.K.A. Gate Stop, top of the list for a total overhaul)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on July 10, 2014, 01:03:35 AM
Lookin good dude. Good luck out in NC.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 19, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
Lesons learned:
You can get unlucky and get get the same bot and team twice
Duct Tape is terrible
Zip-ties are worse
Building your bot from them is dumb
Make sure you have a working pair of servos
Flailing fail bots are funny
Remember that 0-6 is not the end of the world
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Philippa on July 19, 2014, 07:56:11 PM
Remember that 0-6 is not the end of the world
Ouch bro.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 20, 2014, 07:57:31 AM
OK, now that I have a proper nights rest, I can go over a recap:
Gate Stop became this strange flailing stick on wheels, and never could go anywhere. In an odd twist, it was also the only bot I had to never sustain any damage all day. Drew against Mustachio and Billy Dan

Short Stop became a inside out kit, held together entirely by zip ties and duct tape. It drew Klazo and Ting Tang, the former of the which caused Shorty to kinda spew parts and massively dent the front wedge, yet despite all of that, including the rumble, the only major damage were a few broken solder joints.

Guest Stop thankfully entered just I came, just with a smaller battery pack. It drew Ting Tang and Algos, but the most damage either of them did was break a wheel and bend the steel a little bit. Only casualty of the team, one of the servos is stuck spinning endlessly, but I'm going to dump them any way.

You will notice that I drew both of Mikes bots AND got Ting Tang twice, but the spinners there hit really hard anyway, the only other ant weight that had an inactive weapon was Swiss Wedge of Doom. At the least I didn't fight Poco Tambor, had that happened and some really hardcore parts spray would have happened. Pretty much the only regret is not making the bots out of sterner stuff, but everything else worked well considering how much things came a part, nothing really harmed them too much and all with some TLC can go back and drive around again.
Plans for upgrades:
Gate: Total rebuild from the ground up, with proper gear motors. The concept that I came with Gate Stop might get reused for something else in the future.
Short: Change the gear motors to Sliver Sparks, total rebuild of the frame and chassis.
Guest: Up the speed, keep the Steel on Wheels concept with chunky lite flites and Kitbot motors. Might become a beetle weight, not really sure, but the steel seemed tough enough to take on two spinners without much damage, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on July 20, 2014, 10:41:20 PM
well, im glad you've finally joined the horde of real life bot builders!
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on July 21, 2014, 10:47:00 AM
Go claim your brown name dude! :P

Also WTF happened to Gate Stop? It looked good, how did it go from that to a stick? Weight issues?

One more thing, looks like a major point of weakness was your motor mounts. If you have weight, I'd get some UHMW for your side walls, like Nate has with Slim Pickens, and put the Spark mounting plates on that.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 21, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
Go claim your brown name dude! :P

Also WTF happened to Gate Stop? It looked good, how did it go from that to a stick? Weight issues?

One more thing, looks like a major point of weakness was your motor mounts. If you have weight, I'd get some UHMW for your side walls, like Nate has with Slim Pickens, and put the Spark mounting plates on that.
The reason Gate ended up like that was because one of the servos stopped working, either from shipping or from an inexperienced builder. I got a pair of Futaba servos to fix it, but due to the way they were designed they were impossible to hack for 360 rotation.

Sturdier motor mounts are currently on the priority list, though I'm comparing costs to see whats the best next step.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 21, 2014, 10:38:13 PM
For easy viewing:
My biggest surprise in all of this is how surprisingly little damage actually happened, Gate Stop came out unscathed and both Shorty and Guest can be easily be rebuilt, most notably is that despite how often Shorty's motors fell out and Guest's wheel came off, both came out almost completely undamaged. Guest's wheel is notable in that is was held on by literally one screw and not once did it break, while I had terrible luck in match ups I had incredible luck in them(You'll notice that Ting Tang hit the corner of Guest Stop, had it gone half an inch to the right it would have destroyed the servo. Had the wheels been more securely mounted, Guest Stop might have gone the whole match)

Even though I went 0-6 in COB, it was still quite awesome to just be there and compete, and gave me an appreciation of just what these builders do. My only regret is that Gate Stop never saw a match up with one of the fairy spinners(Invertigo and Unicorn), would have capped off the whole day seeing it explode.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on July 21, 2014, 10:47:19 PM
loctite is a thing. use it
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on July 22, 2014, 06:27:18 AM
you should ditch the servo drive. they're obsolete and can't really compete with the other bots' drive motors
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 22, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
loctite is a thing. use it
Nothing was screwed in so it wouldn't have helped.
you should ditch the servo drive. they're obsolete and can't really compete with the other bots' drive motors
Exactly what I'm going to do next.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on December 29, 2014, 07:27:26 PM
OK, time to dust off this thread, as new parts are coming in from Fingertech, I bought myself a big ass cutting board for building material and
Should be an interesting year.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on December 29, 2014, 09:39:22 PM
Good luck with modding the sawblade. Theyre pre hardened and a bitch to cut.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on December 30, 2014, 12:22:46 AM
Good luck with modding the sawblade. Theyre pre hardened and a bitch to cut.
Could be worse, I was originally was going to use a 6-1/2 blade, before sanity(and weight requirements) told me otherwise.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on December 30, 2014, 02:20:05 PM
vd?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on December 30, 2014, 04:22:16 PM
vd?
Might be, I've also thought about an hd.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 02, 2015, 08:31:14 PM
I blacked out and somehow this stupid thing came to be:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/40935PIC00005.JPG)
Made from the old wedge plate from Shorty, meant to be a target for Shorty once those blasted bearing blocks arrive, might also be a spinner bait for C.C. once that's done.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on January 02, 2015, 10:06:35 PM
vd?
Might be, I've also thought about an hd.

Do a VD
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 02, 2015, 11:15:35 PM
vd?
Might be, I've also thought about an hd.

Do a VD
The blade is so huge relative to the bot(Its bigger than the one VDD had) that may just not happen. I'll see if I can wing it, but most likely its going to be spinning horizontally.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on January 31, 2015, 12:30:17 AM
I'M DESIGNING A THING
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/30884PIC00064.JPG)
This time the motors are mounted on the Fingertech bearing blocks, so hopefully they stay on. Right now plans are to mount the wedge and bumper, as well as some soldering work(And ordering a new battery, the Rhino lipo I had has puffed).
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on May 21, 2015, 11:29:12 PM
Something might be possibly happening:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/1728PIC00074.JPG)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on May 22, 2015, 06:56:25 AM
Good luck this year Ribbs. Hopefully you do better than last time.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on May 22, 2015, 08:57:41 AM
How thick is that front plate?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: SKBT on May 22, 2015, 11:09:29 AM
you want a shallower wedge. somewhere in 20-30° range
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 06, 2015, 05:35:00 PM
More lessons learned:
Loctite is the holy fluid
Steel is only good when you don't suck
Klazo is an evil little bugger that I can't escape
The Fingertec emergency kit is the best thing ever
Judges like fast bots
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on June 06, 2015, 05:46:53 PM
How'd you do man? Better than last year?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 06, 2015, 05:48:26 PM
How'd you do man? Better than last year?
It held together without falling apart, its a start.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on June 06, 2015, 05:49:02 PM
Did you win a match though?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 06, 2015, 06:26:21 PM
Nope.
In other news, I'm going to retire Shorty. I've transcended the original Viper kit, none of the parts of it remain from the first build.
Thanks to Mike's Finger Tech Emergency kit, I've got a new design on the way, all I can say for now is-
Belive the Hype(er Speeder)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on June 06, 2015, 10:31:22 PM
Who did you face?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 06, 2015, 10:49:23 PM
Who did you face?
Klazo, Afulenza, then in the rumble I got Galade, Orange Glow, Siafu, Afulenza again, and Satan's Segway.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on June 07, 2015, 12:00:56 PM
How'd the Segway do? Was it actually able to thwack?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 07, 2015, 12:09:30 PM
How'd the Segway do? Was it actually able to thwack?
Yup.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 07, 2015, 11:39:08 PM
Now that Mike has put the videos up, I can write some reports:
VS Klazo AKA "Thank goodness I learned to drive with one wheel"

VS Affluenza AKA "Robbed!"

Rumble AKA "Wait, TWO drums!?!

And thats the end for Short Stop, next two ants will be an ultra fast power wedge(Hyper Speeder), and a big ass saw blade with a robot attached to it(Contriving Contraption).
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on June 09, 2015, 12:52:34 PM
Yeah, it looked like you were winning against Affluenza. Not sure what the judges were seeing there. Your bot definitely needs to be faster, though. Good luck man.

Maybe you could come to Bot Blast next year :)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: MikeNCR on June 09, 2015, 02:07:10 PM
Watched the fight and tried to take the perspective of a judge. This event used the SPARC criteria.

Points are awarded in 3 categories:
 Aggression - 5 points
 Control - 6 points
 Damage - 6 points

Damage is easy, 3-3 split
Aggression was likely 3-2 for Short Stop
Control may be what got you. Don't recall if it was a split decision or not, but for control and making a snap judgement I'd say it's either 3-3 or 4-2 for Affluenza, making the final score either 9-8 Short Stop, or 9-8 for Affluenza depending on who's doing the scoring.

The reason I'd say Affluenza could get the control points is there were a few spots where it managed to get around Short Stop and push it across the box/into the wall. Most of the other contact was head to head and resulted in both robots stopping where they were until they separated. Watching live, those full pushes tend to stand out to judges and that's likely why it got scored the way it did.

That said, the new Short Stop was a huge improvement over the last one and I look forward to seeing things continue to progress.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 25, 2015, 02:16:58 AM
Current challenge, fit less than 37 grams of wire, chassis, screws, and other junk into a robot weighing only 150 grams.

How do the Brits do it?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on July 25, 2015, 07:25:30 PM
What the hell is eating the other 113 grams?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 25, 2015, 07:53:03 PM
What the hell is eating the other 113 grams?
Everything else.
Image for context:
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on July 25, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Current challenge, fit less than 37 grams of wire, chassis, screws, and other junk into a robot weighing only 150 grams.

How do the Brits do it?

Worth looking here.

http://robotwars101.org/forum/index.php (http://robotwars101.org/forum/index.php)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: cephalopod on July 26, 2015, 02:46:39 PM
Mostly depends on components. Plus we don't really do wide drums like that as far as I'm aware. Get on the pololu wheels if you haven't already.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on August 03, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/64351PIC00099.JPG)
Lets do the impossible.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on August 04, 2015, 03:26:18 AM
Justice ran an edger blade like that one at Bot Blast. Did just as well as FireArrow.

good luck dude :)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on September 15, 2015, 07:38:35 PM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/Coboxite/PIC00103.jpg)
Now I need to drill the holes.
Also includes mock paint job(I need a can of purple paint)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on September 15, 2015, 09:55:32 PM
What event are you shooting for next?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on October 14, 2015, 09:18:31 PM
Ugh, picture quality.
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/Coboxite/PIC00105.jpg)
All I have to do is a little tweaking to make sure everything runs smoothly, otherwise this thing is mostly complete(Other than paint).
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on November 06, 2015, 08:36:02 PM
While I was gone I did an antweight, and worked to complete another.
Inch Up
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/Coboxite/PIC00110.jpg)

Hyper Speeder
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n538/Coboxite/PIC00111.jpg)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on November 08, 2015, 01:14:21 PM
I like the lifter, and I'll make sure to show it to Zachary since it's a cool twist on his kit design. Is the wedge on the second bot only held on by 2 screws?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on November 08, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
I like the lifter, and I'll make sure to show it to Zachary since it's a cool twist on his kit design. Is the wedge on the second bot only held on by 2 screws?
The wedge has only two screws right now because I miss drilled the holes and I ran out of 6-32 screws. Once I fix the miss placed holes I'll go with a pair of socket cap screws.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Badnik96 on November 09, 2015, 04:54:51 PM
Hyper Speeder needs the shark face. :V

Looks good man, what event are you aiming for next?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on November 09, 2015, 06:54:23 PM
Hopefully Robogames, but there's always Clash of the bots in the Summer. By then, I hope to have Killing Joke and Obsidian ready to go by then.
Other thing, has anybody used this (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__41187__Turnigy_TrackStar_10_5T_Sensored_Brushless_Motor_3250KV_US_Warehouse_.html) motor? I was thinking of sticking it into Obsidian(Blade is going to be 6"x2"x.25" steel)
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on December 26, 2015, 07:43:43 PM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/63180PIC00113.JPG)
Meet the bare electrical guts of Obsidian. I might gut Hyper Speeder for a pair of escs to get this one going.

And of course, my battery is wrong(3S when I needed 4S), so now I have a spare three cell lipo I don't know what to do with.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on February 29, 2016, 04:34:49 AM
Right now I'm designing Obsidian. I'm considering either a VS or a HS. Right now, the designs look like this:

I'm leaning more to the HS, but seeing how well the VS did at Moto in all weight classes, I'm thinking about going VS to counter wedges better.

Both designs share the same parts(Except the weapon belt), as it stands, the list looks like:

I'm also considering converting the Spark motors to brushless(Using 12mm inrunners and Afro escs), I'm just not sure how the gearbox will handle the extra RPM, if anybody has made the conversion and can give me some pointers, that would be appreciated.

Oh and uh, happy leap year.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 25, 2016, 08:46:51 PM
Lessons learned:
Anti-Spinner plows are god-sends

Tiny wheels with aluminum hubs are curses in disguise

Front hinge lifters are surprisingly effective

Battles can be won or lost with just one screw

QD CONNECTORS ARE THE FU**ING WORST
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on June 25, 2016, 09:08:46 PM
How'd your bots do?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 25, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
How'd your bots do?
Speeder went 0-2, Inch-Up went 2-2+rumble.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Natef on June 25, 2016, 09:40:31 PM
Not bad! What event are you shooting for next?
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 25, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
Not bad! What event are you shooting for next?
Not sure, I'm going to start college in fall and its going to eat a ton of my time. I'm going to see if I can swing some of the Seattle events if I can.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on June 27, 2016, 05:33:58 AM
Now that I'm back to being a functional human being, I can finally give my thoughts on how things went down in COB.
I was intending to run a dumb fairy weight, named butt(lack of capitalization intentional), but I lost my 1.5mm drill bit last minute and decided it wasn't worth repeating Gatestop.


Hyper Speeder was rebuilt a month prior to the event. I wasn't happy with it, so using some spare green garolite from Inch-up, I made a new frame that was wider and longer than the original. I also scrapped the tall hinged flat panel wedge to a low static anti spinner plow, out of the same tough steel I've been using from day one. The result was one of the lowest, toughest bots among the ants, with what I thought the only downside being not being invertable. Oh how wrong I was.

The big weak point in the design were the hubs. On big, chunky foam wheels, the hubs are nearly untouchable on anything not spinning vertically. On a 1.5" diameter wheel, however, they became a massive liability, as they took the hits, and not the expendable foam. This became an immediate problem against Banana Splitter(On top of them starting the match upside down, rendering my strongest advantage moot), as the first hit pretty much busted the gearbox(As well as breaking the C-clip and turning the hub washer into a Pringle). After replacing the gearbox and hub, I went up against The Cuban. While things did start out in my favor, controlling him with the plow, he soon knocked the wheel off the shaft. Then he came in and struck the other wheel, and again busted the gearbox(As well as really turning the hub washer into a potato chip, though the new C-clip held on).

Status: Back to fully functional, but in limbo. I'm not sure how much I can do to fix the problem, other than adding wheel guards or making my own hubs, but that doesn't fix the crippling flaw of not being able to drive while inverted(Which, in a weight class dominated by drums, is a problem). I'm thinking of reusing the electronics as the foundation of a spinner, or to have it as a quick and easy backup bot to take the place of and/or cannibalize for parts if I decide to make Inch-Up my full time ant.



As Inch-Up entered competition as it is currently pictured, I'll just get into the one issue the thing had, the little things. The only bit of damage its first ever match it received was one screw coming loose and falling out. And yet that one screw was a critical deciding factor. In its final match, two wires came loose, and again, were the critical deciding factor.

The first fight Inch-Up had was last years third place winner and consistent Robogames podium finisher, EXP. As it turns out, EXP and Inch-Up are shaped just so, that any head on collision we had just ended up with both bots locked together, with Inch-Up oddly enough being able to match EXP in pushing power despite running a third less voltage and with half the motors available. So it became a game of who could get around who, with both being pretty much even. BUT, remember that screw I was talking about earlier? Well, that came out of my bearing block, and was preventing the bearing block from twisting under the torque of the motor. When it came loose and fell out, it meant that the bearing block could wiggle around more than it was supposed to, and that led one of the wheels getting stuck against the frame. That one screw coming out meant the battle went from "evenly matched" to "Skewed in EXP's favor". After that, Inch-Up tried to recover, but it was clear that EXP had the upper hand, and took the win.


The next match was against Passive Aggressive, an undercutter. Despite how scary it looked, their battery couldn't supply the juice the spinner motor needed and never spun up well. They were also running micro gear motors you would normally find in fairy weights. The small motors combined with a weapon that didn't work meant that Inch-Up pretty much bullied PA the entire match for the win.


Getting over the shock that I had finally had a machine with a win at this point, I was up against Original Robot do not Steel(Pun intended), a viper spinner kit. Anyone who has seen these in person knows that they are brutally powerful, but notoriously unreliable. They were running the original blade hub, which had already come off in their match prior(And in fact cost them), so Inch-Up's goal was clear. I didn't even bother using the lifter, just throwing my self into him until his spinner came off, and like clock-work, the hub came flying off(But not after breaking the linkage from my servo to my lifter, disabling my weapon). At that point, it was the same as the last match, and Inch-Up took another win(To be fair, ORDNS is a good bot, they just need to fix the hub coming off and I led them to the new spinner hubs. They also sliced a good quarter inch into the lifter arm and made me have to rebuild the lifter linkage, which I really shouldn't have even bother fixing).


And then I had to fight the Cuban AGAIN. Despite how Speeder tried and failed miserably, Inch-Up at least put up a few more hits against Cuban, and this time the gear boxes didn't break, so it wasn't doing too badly. And then the QD connectors happened. You see, when I got my shiny new SERVO magazine kit, the Tiny ESCs had the QD connectors pre-instaled. I meant to solder the wires on, but I never got around to it. Well, after three matches lasting two minutes each, and after some big hits against the previous robot, NOW they decide to just fall off and leave the motor high and dry. After that, The Cuban pretty much had its way with me, and managed to break the lifter AGAIN, only they did it more thoroughly and knock the servo out of the robot this time. Time ended before they got the chance to bust the servo open, but it was clear that Inch-Up was out. And this is why when I get the next chance, the wires are going to be soldered, and all future wires will be soldered from this point on.


Inch-Up's last fight was the rumble, with Original, Passive Aggressive, and Chainsaw, all undercutters. The match was one hell of a blur, the two things I remember was making ORDNS weapon coming off again, and Chainsaw getting a good hit on me, which shattered the brass hinges holding the lexan down, while also busting his weapon off.

Status: Electrically still working, and awaiting a new shell and lifter mechanism. The main upgrade for the next version is to make the lifter lie flush to the wedge when not in use, and to improve the lifter mechanism durability over all. Beyond that, the next course of action is an all titanium wedge and brushless drive, but right now the lifter is the major priority.


Let this be a lesson for any new guys getting in, its not the bit spectacular damage that gets you, its small details you don't give much attention too that can make or break a match. And above all else, make sure all your connections are TIGHT.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: Somebody on July 11, 2016, 12:26:03 AM
Sounds like a good tournament and lots of learning done!
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: PixelCrunchRA2 on July 13, 2016, 06:16:01 PM
Some news, look what I got in the mail yesterday :gawe: :
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/47181PIC00037.PNG
(Would of made this post yesterday, but the Img loader was borked.)
Got a chance to play around with it, pretty fun to play with, don't know if I will mod it for combat.
Dude, where did you get one of those?! I saw one on amazon for $200! Where did you get it, how much did you get it for, and how can I get it?!  :rage
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 13, 2016, 07:08:13 PM
Some news, look what I got in the mail yesterday :gawe: :
https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/47181PIC00037.PNG
(Would of made this post yesterday, but the Img loader was borked.)
Got a chance to play around with it, pretty fun to play with, don't know if I will mod it for combat.
Dude, where did you get one of those?! I saw one on amazon for $200! Where did you get it, how much did you get it for, and how can I get it?!  :rage

I got it in an eBay sale lot for about forty USD. They show up every so often over there, I'd recommend looking for a used one out the box(Unless you really want one in the box). Though, I would still recommend waiting for the new Battlebots toys on the horizon.

Fun fact, I still have the box that it came in.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: PixelCrunchRA2 on July 15, 2016, 06:23:46 AM
Yup, In the span of an hour or two, I managed to build this little guy.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/66993PIC00034.JPG)
Under side:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/57509PIC00036.JPG)
Built with four tools, a Buck Knife, a screw driver, a clamp, and my hands.
At this time being, it's not done yet, I need electronics and a radio.
Current progress was cutting the the base plate, mounting the motor, drilling some holes(Had to use my Buck knife, yuck  :dead: ), mounting the skid, and mounting the wheels. Not very professional, but it should work, once I get some electronics to get it to work.
Not sure what to call it, I was thinking of Anti-OxidANT, but it's a place holder so far.
What do you guys think of my shady job?
What is that chassis? Some sort of foam leftover box from a restaurant lid and bottom or something glued/screwed together? Please tell me!  :baffled:
Also, I noticed that your avatar kind of looks like an LBX from that 3DS LBX game, R1885.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on July 15, 2016, 03:57:49 PM
Yup, In the span of an hour or two, I managed to build this little guy.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/66993PIC00034.JPG)
Under side:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/57509PIC00036.JPG)
Built with four tools, a Buck Knife, a screw driver, a clamp, and my hands.
At this time being, it's not done yet, I need electronics and a radio.
Current progress was cutting the the base plate, mounting the motor, drilling some holes(Had to use my Buck knife, yuck  :dead: ), mounting the skid, and mounting the wheels. Not very professional, but it should work, once I get some electronics to get it to work.
Not sure what to call it, I was thinking of Anti-OxidANT, but it's a place holder so far.
What do you guys think of my shady job?
What is that chassis? Some sort of foam leftover box from a restaurant lid and bottom or something glued/screwed together? Please tell me!  :baffled:
Also, I noticed that your avatar kind of looks like an LBX from that 3DS LBX game, R1885.

It was the bottom part of a dead DVD player I nicked from my Highschool. It was stupid soft and easily flexible(It really felt like plasticized construction paper), but it worked well for a first time test bed. I still have the gearbox, but I have no clue where the back plate went.

The mech in my avatar is Godmars from the anime of the same name. The particular image used is from Super Robot Wars 2.2 on the PSP.
Title: Re: Team FarSide
Post by: R1885 on October 02, 2016, 01:26:17 AM
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/7266020161001_232203.jpg)
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