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What do you like doing most in RA2/RA3/robot combat games?

Building robots
Local single player battles with manually-controlled robots
Local multiplayer battles  with manually-controlled robots (PvP with controllers or a shared keyboard)
AI-only tournament battles
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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1880 on: February 21, 2020, 03:46:37 AM »
OK so...

Using a 3 inch brushless



You mean that's not right? :P

Lol, I'll take a look later on.
Damn I should probably put something fancy in this bit huh?

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1881 on: February 21, 2020, 05:21:19 AM »
I've been thinking of composing some music loops for the game now that I have a bit of extra storage space for Cubase projects. Is there anything in particular you'd like?
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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1882 on: February 21, 2020, 09:24:17 AM »
I've been thinking of composing some music loops for the game now that I have a bit of extra storage space for Cubase projects. Is there anything in particular you'd like?

Thank you for the offer!  Let me think about this a bit.

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1883 on: February 21, 2020, 09:53:46 AM »
PS, Cyar, I’m tracking down the improper spinner breakage bugs in Circumvolution.  I think I have fixed them all.  Now that they are fixed a new problem has arisen.  When three out of the four quarters break off the weapon becomes so unbalanced that it teleports all over the arena.  I have a few potential fixes in.  We’ll see.

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1884 on: February 22, 2020, 12:33:33 AM »
PS, Cyar, I’m tracking down the improper spinner breakage bugs in Circumvolution.  I think I have fixed them all.  Now that they are fixed a new problem has arisen.  When three out of the four quarters break off the weapon becomes so unbalanced that it teleports all over the arena.  I have a few potential fixes in.  We’ll see.

Hmm. Hopefully something does work.
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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1885 on: February 22, 2020, 01:04:30 PM »
PS, Cyar, I’m tracking down the improper spinner breakage bugs in Circumvolution.  I think I have fixed them all.  Now that they are fixed a new problem has arisen.  When three out of the four quarters break off the weapon becomes so unbalanced that it teleports all over the arena.  I have a few potential fixes in.  We’ll see.

Hmm. Hopefully something does work.

Got it:

1. Bug Fix - I think I found and fixed all of the cases where a component breaks off but doesn't taken all of its children with it.
2. Bug Fix - When a spinner becomes so unbalanced that its remaining bits teleport all over the arena, those pieces now break off instead.

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1886 on: February 22, 2020, 01:57:45 PM »
PS, Cyar, I’m tracking down the improper spinner breakage bugs in Circumvolution.  I think I have fixed them all.  Now that they are fixed a new problem has arisen.  When three out of the four quarters break off the weapon becomes so unbalanced that it teleports all over the arena.  I have a few potential fixes in.  We’ll see.

Hmm. Hopefully something does work.

Got it:

1. Bug Fix - I think I found and fixed all of the cases where a component breaks off but doesn't taken all of its children with it.
2. Bug Fix - When a spinner becomes so unbalanced that its remaining bits teleport all over the arena, those pieces now break off instead.
Wait so discs will now get unbalanced when they lose parts?

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1887 on: February 22, 2020, 02:04:04 PM »
Yes.  I need to check the notes, but spinners becoming unbalanced has been a thing for a few builds.

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1888 on: February 22, 2020, 06:17:54 PM »
Working on spinner vs spinner damage now.  A high part count spinner like Circumvolution has the advantage against a single spinning bar.  More stuff to break off =more survivable.

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1889 on: February 23, 2020, 10:56:47 AM »
Ok so i did some testing

so the bots can spin up to 346mph then the bot lifts off like a plane and the disc gets bent

Underneath, this bot can technically reach 450mph, however the game just does its thing

Might test damage at higher/lower speeds to see if damage is dynamically calculated, because i fear it may not be the case

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1890 on: February 23, 2020, 01:07:39 PM »
Ok so i did some testing

so the bots can spin up to 346mph then the bot lifts off like a plane and the disc gets bent

Underneath, this bot can technically reach 450mph, however the game just does its thing

Might test damage at higher/lower speeds to see if damage is dynamically calculated, because i fear it may not be the case

In the existing build the maximum damage that can occur is 34% of a particular part’s health.  This eliminates one-hit kills.  For the next build I would like to set the maximum to 100% of the part health, but damage not propagated to the parent.  This way you can always knock off just the one part and whatever is attached to it.

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1891 on: February 23, 2020, 01:38:11 PM »
Ok so i did some testing

so the bots can spin up to 346mph then the bot lifts off like a plane and the disc gets bent

Underneath, this bot can technically reach 450mph, however the game just does its thing

Might test damage at higher/lower speeds to see if damage is dynamically calculated, because i fear it may not be the case

In the existing build the maximum damage that can occur is 34% of a particular part%u2019s health.  This eliminates one-hit kills.  For the next build I would like to set the maximum to 100% of the part health, but damage not propagated to the parent.  This way you can always knock off just the one part and whatever is attached to it.
ey
The thing i notice is that small weak hits do knock out parts that are pretty tough, also weapons seem to fall out relativley easy

Edit: One more thing i notice is that the motors are boosted if on a hinge or another motor/pneumatic burst/linac. Basically they spin up faster

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1892 on: February 23, 2020, 01:49:17 PM »
Ok so i did some testing

so the bots can spin up to 346mph then the bot lifts off like a plane and the disc gets bent

Underneath, this bot can technically reach 450mph, however the game just does its thing

Might test damage at higher/lower speeds to see if damage is dynamically calculated, because i fear it may not be the case

In the existing build the maximum damage that can occur is 34% of a particular part%u2019s health.  This eliminates one-hit kills.  For the next build I would like to set the maximum to 100% of the part health, but damage not propagated to the parent.  This way you can always knock off just the one part and whatever is attached to it.
ey
The thing i notice is that small weak hits do knock out parts that are pretty tough, also weapons seem to fall out relativley easy

Edit: One more thing i notice is that the motors are boosted if on a hinge or another motor/pneumatic burst/linac. Basically they spin up faster

I need to get rid of the existing impulse damage code.  I haven’t done that yet.  Pretty much all of the damage that is occurring is impulse based.  A few posts back I wrote some numbers down which quantifies this.  Spinners should be the main damage source.  They operate based on kinetic energy rather than impulse.

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1893 on: February 23, 2020, 01:53:06 PM »
Ok so i did some testing

so the bots can spin up to 346mph then the bot lifts off like a plane and the disc gets bent

Underneath, this bot can technically reach 450mph, however the game just does its thing

Might test damage at higher/lower speeds to see if damage is dynamically calculated, because i fear it may not be the case

In the existing build the maximum damage that can occur is 34% of a particular part%u2019s health.  This eliminates one-hit kills.  For the next build I would like to set the maximum to 100% of the part health, but damage not propagated to the parent.  This way you can always knock off just the one part and whatever is attached to it.
ey
The thing i notice is that small weak hits do knock out parts that are pretty tough, also weapons seem to fall out relativley easy

Edit: One more thing i notice is that the motors are boosted if on a hinge or another motor/pneumatic burst/linac. Basically they spin up faster

I need to get rid of the existing impulse damage code.  I haven’t done that yet.  Pretty much all of the damage that is occurring is impulse based.  A few posts back I wrote some numbers down which quantifies this.  Spinners should be the main damage source.  They operate based on kinetic energy rather than impulse.

Ok so an issue like this wont exist no more

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1894 on: February 23, 2020, 03:18:19 PM »
Parts can still break off.  This includes the spinner itself.

My plan for spinners is that upon a hit, both the spinner and the target take damage.

If the target is invulnerable, then all of the damage goes to the spinner.

Otherwise, damage will be distributed based on the current health of the spinner and the target.  If the spinner has more health than the target, then the target will take a larger fraction of the energy as damage.  The opposite is also true.  If the spinner has very little health, it will take most of the damage and will very likely break off.

Here's what I have:

float selfRatio = target.health / (selfDO.health + target.health);
                float targetRatio = selfDO.health / (selfDO.health + target.health);
                float selfActualDamage = selfDO.takeDamage(damage * selfRatio);
                float targetActualDamage = target.takeDamage(damage * targetRatio);


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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1895 on: February 24, 2020, 06:13:11 AM »
ya but can you sload in this game
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« Reply #1896 on: February 24, 2020, 09:10:40 AM »
ya but can you sload in this game

Pardon my ignorance, but what does it mean to “sload”?

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« Reply #1897 on: February 24, 2020, 10:03:52 AM »
ya but can you sload in this game

Pardon my ignorance, but what does it mean to “sload”?

Boomer ra2 term that is obsolete and not useful

Oh yeah, how will axes do damage?

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Re: Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development
« Reply #1898 on: February 24, 2020, 10:55:10 AM »
I haven't gotten there yet, but I'm thinking axe damage might have to be based on impulse.  Axes have maybe 1% of the KE of a spinner.

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« Reply #1899 on: February 24, 2020, 11:13:55 AM »
I haven't gotten there yet, but I'm thinking axe damage might have to be based on impulse.  Axes have maybe 1% of the KE of a spinner.
Yeah well considering that axes mostly do internal damage and mostly dent armor in, maybe that could be taken into consideration?