Robot Rumble 2.0 - Robot Combat Simulator - Under Development

[cjbruce]

So it looks like the automatic solution is working!

I set an arbitrary limit (5) on hit points.  Most of the robot's colliders are now disabled.  Time spent in physics has dropped significantly.

Moreover, when something big breaks off, it takes all of its tiny little decorations with it.  I will try to get something up for you guys to see today.

Maybe we can do another slider to control the number of hit points before a component becomes breakable in settings?

Please note that this is just a temporary fix.  It will only work for a single weight class.  Beetleweights have way fewer hit points, so the entire robot would be disabled.

[kix]

Maybe we can do another slider to control the number of hit points before a component becomes breakable in settings?

Maybe an option like in gmod? This would be similar where You select all small parts, press group button and then select main part and press group to button, and then it would group stuff together. The collision would be there, unless you maybe check disable collision. I could draw up a mockup. It would be simpler then that slider i guess.

Oh yeah for the chassis hp. You said panels falling apart. Maybe atm just do like in older version where hp would decrease after a hit. Panel breaking could be implemented at a later time.

[cjbruce]

I put the collider disabling feature up as the 26December build.  I am seeing significantly reduced time spent doing physics calculations for Panic Attack.  Hopefully this makes robots work better across the board.

CyarSkirata, please let me know if this fixes the driving issues you were seeing before!

https://robot-rumble.itch.io/builds

EDIT:  With the smaller colliders disabled in this build, we are getting component grouping for free.  Things are breaking off as entire assemblies rather than as tiny little parts.

[CyarSkirata]

The driving issues are just as bad as before, if not worse. D:
The skirts now come off way too easily too, just a couple of low speed collisions of the kind they're designed for can snap off the whole thing. And the part that actually runs on the floor doesn't have collisions, so makes the whole skirt pointless.

[cjbruce]

The driving issues are just as bad as before, if not worse. D:
The skirts now come off way too easily too, just a couple of low speed collisions of the kind they're designed for can snap off the whole thing. And the part that actually runs on the floor doesn't have collisions, so makes the whole skirt pointless.

Shoot! Need to work on things some more.

[kix]

Ok so the new update is bad. It breaks robots with thin and small parts, it seems like you tried to do something with group coupling and it didnt really worked that well.
Can i recommend this? Its a longer thing so it is in spoiler below:

Ok so here is an idea on how to couple parts my way:

In extras you would find the section called couple parts. The splash below is pretty self-explanitory.

You would select parts like this, also you would be able to disable collisions: (in this case the rivets, and to help things out, maybe the parts you want to couple should be highlighted with a faint color tint)

After you selected the parts (in this case rivets), you would click next and this would appear

You would select a parent part (a part to couple to), and again it would help if it was highlighted in a color tint, and an outline

You would press finish and voila! You would have coupled parts. If you kept the collision enabled, the coupled parts would have the combined hp from all of the part and the combined weight of them all.


One thing i forgot to add is if you would add a button next to couple parts where it decouples ALL parts, it would be a thing for tournament hosts to handling the coupling abuse where people would couple big parts.


Oh, and undo function would be nice

[cjbruce]

Ok so the new update is bad. It breaks robots with thin and small parts, it seems like you tried to do something with group coupling and it didnt really worked that well.
Can i recommend this? Its a longer thing so it is in spoiler below:

Ok so here is an idea on how to couple parts my way:

In extras you would find the section called couple parts. The splash below is pretty self-explanitory.

You would select parts like this, also you would be able to disable collisions: (in this case the rivets, and to help things out, maybe the parts you want to couple should be highlighted with a faint color tint)

After you selected the parts (in this case rivets), you would click next and this would appear

You would select a parent part (a part to couple to), and again it would help if it was highlighted in a color tint, and an outline

You would press finish and voila! You would have coupled parts. If you kept the collision enabled, the coupled parts would have the combined hp from all of the part and the combined weight of them all.


One thing i forgot to add is if you would add a button next to couple parts where it decouples ALL parts, it would be a thing for tournament hosts to handling the coupling abuse where people would couple big parts.


Oh, and undo function would be nice

Give me a bit to think about it. 

I think it is important to disable as many of the really small colliders as possible in order to minimize the CPU load. 

I think I would like a hybrid approach where you set a threshold and it shows you which parts are too small to add colliders.  With this approach you can always bump up the thickness or switch materials for a particular part to ensure its collider stays enabled.   

This would also allow you to do a bunch of parts really quickly, and reset things instantly. In the case of Panic Attack, this would make it possible to rapidly adjust over 100 small pieces.

[kix]

Ok so the new update is bad. It breaks robots with thin and small parts, it seems like you tried to do something with group coupling and it didnt really worked that well.
Can i recommend this? Its a longer thing so it is in spoiler below:

Ok so here is an idea on how to couple parts my way:

In extras you would find the section called couple parts. The splash below is pretty self-explanitory.

You would select parts like this, also you would be able to disable collisions: (in this case the rivets, and to help things out, maybe the parts you want to couple should be highlighted with a faint color tint)

After you selected the parts (in this case rivets), you would click next and this would appear

You would select a parent part (a part to couple to), and again it would help if it was highlighted in a color tint, and an outline

You would press finish and voila! You would have coupled parts. If you kept the collision enabled, the coupled parts would have the combined hp from all of the part and the combined weight of them all.


One thing i forgot to add is if you would add a button next to couple parts where it decouples ALL parts, it would be a thing for tournament hosts to handling the coupling abuse where people would couple big parts.


Oh, and undo function would be nice

I think I would like a hybrid approach where you set a threshold and it shows you which parts are too small to add colliders.  With this approach you can always bump up the thickness or switch materials for a particular part to ensure its collider stays enabled.

Tbh im not really a fan of this, lets say theoretically that you need a small part to be functional , but the game wont allow that because its too small. Atm the tip of the wedges for cyar's panic attack are not working as they dont have collision. Thats why i recommended that, and people over at RA2 central discord liked the idea. (we usually talk about rr2 improvements there)

Worst case scenario: Make a material called decorative, it would have a 0kg multiplier and it would remove collision, also it wouid be good because then it would fall off when the part that its connected to would fall off.

Im still liking my idea more, as then we could fix the issue where spinners with a lot of small parts would be fragile
There has been talks about the abuse of that where you could nocolide/group the whole bot
Now here are some solutions to that:
A: "can't group components to the chassis" and "can't group parts that aren't attached" seems like this would fix most issues
B: Limit the grouping of parts to 10 parts per group
C: If a part is on an axle, it could be only grouped to other parts on that specific axle
D: either boolean addition (grouping) or boolean subtraction (making holes)

[CodeSilver23]

What if we added a workshop for components? What is made in that workshop could have combined hp, and you could also apply that part to multiple bots without having to do it all again. You could then share stuff like letters and logos with the community.

[kix]

What if we added a workshop for components? What is made in that workshop could have combined hp, and you could also apply that part to multiple bots without having to do it all again. You could then share stuff like letters and logos with the community.

Oh so like you can build a bar in there made out of multiple shapes then save it as a one shape?

[CodeSilver23]

What if we added a workshop for components? What is made in that workshop could have combined hp, and you could also apply that part to multiple bots without having to do it all again. You could then share stuff like letters and logos with the community.

Oh so like you can build a bar in there made out of multiple shapes then save it as a one shape?

Exactly.

[cjbruce]

What if we added a workshop for components? What is made in that workshop could have combined hp, and you could also apply that part to multiple bots without having to do it all again. You could then share stuff like letters and logos with the community.

That’s the idea behind the RR2 Component Modding Tool.  The big advantage to the tool is that you can do things that aren’t possible using the existing tool, like make game engine-optimized parts: a proper high-poly to low poly workflow + PBR texturing.  Building good-looking stuff with the existing in-game tools means that the parts are going to have way too many polygons and way too many physics colliders to be performant in the game.  I want the game to be playable on laptops.

[cjbruce]

Worst case scenario: Make a material called decorative, it would have a 0kg multiplier and it would remove collision, also it wouid be good because then it would fall off when the part that its connected to would fall off.

Im still liking my idea more, as then we could fix the issue where spinners with a lot of small parts would be fragile

Ooo!!!  Great idea! I can make a “decorative” material and get this up and running in very short order.

Lets try it first.  The rest is going to take some work.

[Hoppin]

I just think its a good idea to focus on producing the Component Modding Tool. It seems to produce a long term fix rather than a short that is gonna be changed later

[kix]

I just think its a good idea to focus on producing the Component Modding Tool. It seems to produce a long term fix rather than a short that is gonna be changed later

Yeah i guess that should be a big focus rn

[CodeSilver23]

What if we added a workshop for components? What is made in that workshop could have combined hp, and you could also apply that part to multiple bots without having to do it all again. You could then share stuff like letters and logos with the community.

I don’t know how well this would work, but with my current knowledge, couldn’t you create .partfiles kinda like what you do with the robots? Then you can share your designs that way. Also, all components you make or import could show up under custom weapons and custom extras. This is what I mainly had in mind.

[cjbruce]

What if we added a workshop for components? What is made in that workshop could have combined hp, and you could also apply that part to multiple bots without having to do it all again. You could then share stuff like letters and logos with the community.

I don’t know how well this would work, but with my current knowledge, couldn’t you create .partfiles kinda like what you do with the robots? Then you can share your designs that way. Also, all components you make or import could show up under custom weapons and custom extras. This is what I mainly had in mind.

That’s the basic idea behind the RR2 Component Modding Tool.  We are starting work on it and the Arena Builder at the same time. 

The intent for the tools is for them to be separate Unity projects that you can use to create pretty much anything you want, export it as a unity assetbundle, then import it into the game.  The big advantages with this approach is that you will be able to create literally anything you want, limited only by your 3D modeling skills. 

Also, you should be able to use the new tools to create parts that are optimized for the game.  If you were to use our existing in-game tool to create an intricate compound assembly it is going to be extremely inefficient and run very slowly.  I am already having lots of problems trying to run Panic Attack on my laptop.  This isn’t the fault of the robot.  It is an amazing robot.  It is a problem with the tool which can’t handle making really complicated things that run efficiently.

I recommend using Blender to create things.  It’s free and has a massive open source development effort.  It already does everything people have asked for, and is the tool we have been using to create robot parts for the game,

[kix]

What if we added a workshop for components? What is made in that workshop could have combined hp, and you could also apply that part to multiple bots without having to do it all again. You could then share stuff like letters and logos with the community.

I don’t know how well this would work, but with my current knowledge, couldn’t you create .partfiles kinda like what you do with the robots? Then you can share your designs that way. Also, all components you make or import could show up under custom weapons and custom extras. This is what I mainly had in mind.

That’s the basic idea behind the RR2 Component Modding Tool.  We are starting work on it and the Arena Builder at the same time. 

The intent for the tools is for them to be separate Unity projects that you can use to create pretty much anything you want, export it as a unity assetbundle, then import it into the game.  The big advantages with this approach is that you will be able to create literally anything you want, limited only by your 3D modeling skills. 

Also, you should be able to use the new tools to create parts that are optimized for the game.  If you were to use our existing in-game tool to create an intricate compound assembly it is going to be extremely inefficient and run very slowly.  I am already having lots of problems trying to run Panic Attack on my laptop.  This isn’t the fault of the robot.  It is an amazing robot.  It is a problem with the tool which can’t handle making really complicated things that run efficiently.

I recommend using Blender to create things.  It’s free and has a massive open source development effort.  It already does everything people have asked for, and is the tool we have been using to create robot parts for the game,

Osh** we gonna make stuff in blender? Thats epic actually, i can make some good sh**

[cjbruce]

I thought you might like the idea. 

[kix]

You say that people are gonna be limited by their skills only. Well if thats the case, i might be able to make vrushless motors then!