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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2013, 04:50:29 PM »
Seems okay.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2013, 04:57:35 PM »
This is what I was saying a little earlier, it should be -planned- to hold that many entrants - it's not a minimum, and it's just to prove you can run the larger tournaments. If you somebody wanted to run small stuff, I have nothing against that, but they wouldn't proceed past a Host Score of 1, or if it's only 4 people, it goes onto the Challenge Board.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2013, 03:22:41 PM »
The only problem that I see is that hosts wouldn't be able to have small 8-bot tournaments after their first tournament. Restricting them to a minimum of a 16-bot tournament makes sense in that it guarantees that they have completed a 16-bot tournament before becoming a major league host. However, they would have to do a 16-bot tournament before they could go back down to an 8-bot tournament.

Instead of raising the minimum expected entries, it may be easier just to keep track of the largest completed tournament hosted by each host. The downside is that the moderator would still need to check the most recent tournament to see if it was bigger than the last one.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2013, 03:30:16 PM »
I personally have no issue with that - the Host Score could be adapted in a way (or a new score added) to show the largest tournaments run. It could all be changed to state tournament 'levels' rather than going by the number hosted - for example Level 1 is maximum 16, Level 2 is maximum 32 and Level 3 (Major League) has no maximum (of course you can run a tournament below your level, so you could still run an 8-bot as a Level 2 - this way you don't have to proceed up the ranks straight away and you can just take it as you wish, so you could stay a Level 1 for as long as you wanted, but you only get the 1 year time if you're a Level 3, the other 2 still stick to 3 months. Bit of a redesign, I know, but that could actually work.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2013, 06:11:33 AM »
Okay. I think I may have ironed that idea out to a point where it may well work.

Firstly, the Host Score list will be ordered firstly in terms of Largest Tournament Hosted (so there can be bold text indicating that the people below that point have run a Major League/Level 2/Level 1 for example) and then the Entry Level rules changed to the following

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2013, 06:14:29 AM »
If people can drop some feedback, and eventually we can agree on some rules, we might actually be able to get some new tournaments running. All you people waiting to start stuff... :P
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2013, 07:12:03 AM »
Yeah just to clarify:

How would i submit a tourney for approval?
Is the limit 3 months for all or just minor?

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2013, 07:24:03 AM »
So what're the new and/or updated rules planned for Display section?

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #68 on: October 31, 2013, 07:50:35 AM »
Yeah just to clarify:

How would i submit a tourney for approval?
Is the limit 3 months for all or just minor?


1) Much in the same way you would now - before a topic is shown in Discussion, it actually gets held back until a mod has approved it.
2) Just minor.


So what're the new and/or updated rules planned for Display section?


As nobody has contributed any thoughts to it, I haven't got anything planned.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #69 on: October 31, 2013, 07:54:22 AM »
For Display, as long as the "no help/bots from anyone" rule is gone, I'm happy.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2013, 08:22:23 AM »
For Display, as long as the "no help/bots from anyone" rule is gone, I'm happy.

Problem with that is then it could be seen as a normal tourney, just without videos.

Needs to be more of a distinction between display and normal tourneys imo.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2013, 08:56:00 AM »
The only difference it needs, is not having the hassle to do sign-ups. It'd also be better this way, so if people are wanting to do tournaments, they can just grab someone's robot from the Exchange, and use it. Either as a test for a potential official tournament, or just a bit of fun for the Display.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #72 on: October 31, 2013, 02:45:44 PM »
I think a rule saying you can use any freely available bot with the owner's permission is fine - you shouldn't accept entries as such, but seek them.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #73 on: October 31, 2013, 02:52:53 PM »
What about instead of signups, say someone expresses interest  the host will pm the bot owner.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #74 on: October 31, 2013, 03:15:01 PM »
That's just a regular tournament with a different signup system. We need to clarify the line between regular and display, not blur it further.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #75 on: October 31, 2013, 03:27:18 PM »
Get rid of the interest part?

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #76 on: November 08, 2013, 01:14:31 PM »
Get rid of the interest part?

And then push on with a tourney that has no interest because there are only 4 people in it, might as well be moved to the challenge board if that's the case.

No, the interest part needs to stay to gauge whether the host can get enough entries or not to see if it's worth bothering. A poll makes this easier as the mods can see it and the host doesn't have to sift through double the amount of PM's they would normally get.

And considering 50% of the people who even vote in those both to enter most of the time...

The solution to all this is people bothering to enter when they say they will. Nothing worse than being all psyched to run a tourney and get it done and then it takes 2 months for 4/16 people who said they'd enter to enter and by then all interest you had is gone and the tourney is now a damn chore.

tl;dr people need to enter things rather than just say they will and do nothing about it.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #77 on: November 08, 2013, 01:17:58 PM »
tl;dr people need to enter things rather than just say they will and do nothing about it.


Very much this. And on that note, we are now almost dry on the tournaments currently being run thing - wouldn't it be awesome if we could power through some rulemaking and get some new tournaments running?! :D
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #78 on: December 17, 2013, 10:38:51 AM »
New rules have been implemented. This means that new tournaments can now proceed to Signups provided they meet the new rules. They are strictly under a trial-and-error system right now, and I will ask hosts for feedback as the process continues.
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Re: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2014, 11:27:22 AM »
Thinking about reducing Major League Tournament Time to 6 months (for ones that start in the future, not gonna cut it down for current ones :P). What do people think?
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