Author Topic: IMPORTANT CHANGES: Tournament Rule Change Discussion  (Read 34602 times)

Offline JoeBlo

Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2013, 10:03:55 AM »
TBH I'll just put a limit on entries for tournament newcomers:

1st tourney-16 max
2nd- 32 max
3rd -48 max
and no limit from the fourth and so on. It's not like you can have 50 different entrants in a tourney anyways.

No minimum bracket size.



Minimum is another problem all together.. run 2x 4 robot tournaments and suddenly your allowed 48? :/ 

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2013, 10:21:55 AM »
So what about...
Tournament 1 must have a planned bracket of 12-16
Number 2's bracket must be planned to hold 16-24
Number 3's bracket must be planned to hold 16-32
Or something along those lines?
(I don't mind about having to check these, it only takes a few seconds - also a note must be added that these are relative to your score in Tournament Management - for example if someone successfully hosted a tournament, but then failed at one, they must start at number 1 again as their score would be 0)
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Offline JoeBlo

Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2013, 10:32:58 AM »
"Must be planned to hold" is a good way of phrasing it I think.


Maybe the first should be 8-16?


Could even make number 2, 16-32 and then you can host a major league?


Successful AI and filming of 24-48 robots over 2 occasions seems like a good enough proving ground to me?

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2013, 10:34:13 AM »
TBH I'll just put a limit on entries for tournament newcomers:

1st tourney-16 max
2nd- 32 max
3rd -48 max
and no limit from the fourth and so on. It's not like you can have 50 different entrants in a tourney anyways.

No minimum bracket size.



Minimum is another problem all together.. run 2x 4 robot tournaments and suddenly your allowed 48? :/ 

4 robots ain't a tournament, that's a challenge.

But yeah, we should enforce a minimum tournament size: 8 entries. That's not hard to reach.

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2013, 10:42:24 AM »
So, to copy/paste/adjust your ruleset, the current draft is:


This could probably be simplified, also we'd need Trov to make the Signups section approval-only, like the Discussion area - I believe it is simply closed right now.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2013, 10:48:22 AM »
Still seems complicated.

I'll think of a very simple but clean system...

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2013, 10:50:56 AM »
I don't think the complexity of it is too much of an issue, it's the length of time it took for tournaments to get through that needs to be addressed.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2013, 01:07:52 PM »
I don't think the complexity of it is too much of an issue, it's the length of time it took for tournaments to get through that needs to be addressed.

...Which IS a direct consequence of the complexity of the law ?

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2013, 03:07:40 PM »
I'd say it was just the usage of the periodic poll that slowed everything.
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2013, 04:47:16 PM »
But yeah, we should enforce a minimum tournament size: 8 entries. That's not hard to reach.

Is it really...


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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2013, 05:16:40 PM »
Forced bracket size, as in your tournament must have this many entries? That's an awful idea.
Imposing a maximum is sensible however, and I'm warming up to the idea of a universal Entry Level limit of 24, however this lower limit for 3 tournaments may put people off of running that many, but then 2 just feels a little low.

Nonono I was talking about the thing you were talking about to counter the half-bye-bot tournaments.
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Offline JoeBlo

Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2013, 08:09:51 PM »
Still seems complicated.

I'll think of a very simple but clean system...

Complexity in the writing perhaps (avoiding loopholes) but overall we have made it a one step process as opposed to the backwards and forwards of poll voting

If you impose the minimum must be met with entries that would eliminate the poll... but also questions how strict you want to be?

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2013, 03:16:15 AM »
I think with the minimum I was just trying to say how big the bracket must be planned, rather than a minimum of bots, so say someone planned an 8 bot tournament, they should still run the interest poll and get at least 50% (even at a size that small - introducing different rules for different bracket sizes will just over-complicate)
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Offline JoeBlo

Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2013, 04:44:38 AM »
Yeah, I got the "planned" aspect of it :)


I was just explaining the need for the poll to close a hole in the rules to Naryar more then anything

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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2013, 05:19:28 AM »
Oh, I see - sorry for that :3
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Offline JoeBlo

Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2013, 08:57:36 AM »
No worries :) just letting you know we're still on the same page and I havent gone crazy.... yet :P

Offline cephalopod

Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2013, 06:02:31 PM »
Awesome :D


Right, so I want to hear more opinions on the current draft - I'd personally really like to get some stuff implemented quite soon.


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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2013, 10:21:35 AM »
just asking, what would happen if a bunch of people say that they're interested, but then you get to signups and like 2 people enter?
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Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2013, 02:30:55 PM »
This is the only issue with this that I feel needs addressing. Perhaps, if the tournament is under half subscribed at the end of signups, or after a certain amount of the 3 month time limit (perhaps 2 months), the host can cancel the tournament with no penalty - either this or they are asked to cut the bracket in half. These are the only solutions I can come up with - but what does the COMMUNITY think?
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Offline ty4er

Re: Tournament Rule Change Discussion
« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2013, 04:44:23 PM »
it's a bit complicated (probably just the wording though), but it looks good. i think it would be better if we gave more time for the tournament if there are more entries though

i also think the minimum entry number is a bit useless. what if (for example) lightning s. had a host score of 1 and had enough votes on the poll saying they would enter, but only got 10 entries? would he still be able to finish the tournament, or does he need atleast 16?
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