Author Topic: General Tournament Discussion (Read 141068 times)

yugitom · « **Reply #1140 on:** January 18, 2018, 08:03:40 PM »

Quote from: Dreamcast on January 18, 2018, 07:12:29 PM

I just meant that keeping as few people in a server at one time as possible reduces the total numbers of suspects for a button press.

As for blaming the host, you don't see people blame the host (U AID IT WRONG) often, do you?

Well, limiting the amount of people it could have been doesn't solve the problem. Also, "you AI'd it wrong" and "you pressed my flipper button during my match" are two different things. With AI, it's immediately evident who's in the wrong.

RedAce · « **Reply #1141 on:** January 18, 2018, 08:08:49 PM »

Well, assuming what I'm reading is correct, I could probably get away with multiple control schemes, (Arrow Keys, WASD, and even my PS4 controller), so this shouldn't be an issue for me. Still I'm kinda skimming this at the moment, so correct me if I'm missing the point entirely.

Still, I'd love to actually partake in this since I don't even think I've done RA2 Online even once.

NeonCalypso · « **Reply #1142 on:** January 18, 2018, 08:22:55 PM »

I like this idea tbh, makes useless bot types actually useful, and no more BS created by the AI.

Mystic2000 · « **Reply #1143 on:** January 19, 2018, 03:12:03 AM »

that could be a cool thing, also i can still use my GMod bots control scheme (IJKL for drive, O, P and M for weapon(s)) so the keys problem shouldn't be too big of a deal

Mouldy · « **Reply #1144 on:** January 19, 2018, 03:14:06 AM »

Quote from: Mystic2000 on January 19, 2018, 03:12:03 AM

that could be a cool thing, also i can still use my GMod bots control scheme (IJKL for drive, O, P and M for weapon(s)) so the keys problem shouldn't be too big of a deal

It'd be on a tournement by tournement basis with what control-schemes are used for each person.

Mystic2000 · « **Reply #1145 on:** January 19, 2018, 07:37:21 AM »

eh, fair point

Asbestosstar · « **Reply #1146 on:** January 19, 2018, 09:34:33 AM »

but i thought of a problem.
usa only means no wen!

Also, What if that nividia thing does not work on all are computers?

And arnt you vunerible to getting hacked?

Cuz you never know with the creeps at GTM

Mouldy · « **Reply #1147 on:** January 19, 2018, 09:37:48 AM »

Quote from: Asbestosstar on January 19, 2018, 09:34:33 AM

but i thought of a problem.
usa only means no wen!

Also, What if that nividia thing does not work on all are computers?

And arnt you vunerible to getting hacked?

Alright, so firstly, this is Parsec. Nothing to do with Nvidia. That's the main thing I should point out here. You don't need an Nvidia graphics card to download Parsec.

Wen can still join other tournements, its not like he's excluded fully or anything.

Lastly, yes, that is a possibility. This is why Geice has made a very nice post about it. https://gametechmods.com/forums/site-news-and-feedback/parsecother-streaming-services/msg740384/#new

Reier · « **Reply #1148 on:** January 19, 2018, 10:16:01 AM »

there may or may not be a risk but you as host can immediately kill a connections control with a key command and if all else fails can I guess hard shut off your pc. just pay attention and use common sense. I personally wouldn't even enable control for others until in an actual match and I'd disable it immediately after.
I suppose a good idea if you host a lot is making another user account without admin rights and hosting from there

kix · « **Reply #1149 on:** January 20, 2018, 03:12:52 PM »

Thinking of mega online tournament...
Gimmics
DSL IRL
HW
No extenderbots (for minimal cpu stress)
No CB2 (except overkill servo, and flatmotors)
House bots included

How whould this work
54 enerants (18 per region)
3 on 3, one house bot controlled by host (or a contestant if host is fighting)
Multiple hosts for multiple regions
Now fun part...
There would be 3 regions... USA, EU, Asia, mainly spit between time zones
Each host for each region
Each host will make own vids... (Us host, us vids...)
For grand finals, we set a certain date/time and fight it off...
Is this good? (No im not ditching my tourney... Ima finish it very soon)

Dreamcast · « **Reply #1150 on:** January 20, 2018, 03:21:55 PM »

Quote from: TGM on January 20, 2018, 03:12:52 PM

Thinking of mega online tournament...
Gimmics
DSL IRL
HW

That's not a gimmick.

Quote from: TGM on January 20, 2018, 03:12:52 PM

How whould this work
54 enerants (18 per region)
3 on 3, one house bot controlled by host (or a contestant if host is fighting)
Multiple hosts for multiple regions
Now fun part...
There would be 3 regions... USA, EU, Asia, mainly spit between time zones
Each host for each region
Each host will make own vids... (Us host, us vids...)
For grand finals, we set a certain date/time and fight it off...
Is this good? (No im not ditching my tourney... Ima finish it very soon)

I have comments:
You do realize this a massive project, right? Not even AI tournaments, where the entry requirement of building once within a time limit, get 54 entries very often.
How are you splitting up timezones? Is this for the brakcet? Are they sub-regions?
You'd need like 3 hosts too.

kix · « **Reply #1151 on:** January 20, 2018, 03:50:55 PM »

Quote from: Dreamcast on January 20, 2018, 03:21:55 PM

Quote from: TGM on January 20, 2018, 03:12:52 PM
Thinking of mega online tournament...
Gimmics
DSL IRL
HW
That's not a gimmick.

No sh** sherlock

Quote from: Dreamcast on January 20, 2018, 03:21:55 PM

Quote from: TGM on January 20, 2018, 03:12:52 PM
How whould this work
54 enerants (18 per region)
3 on 3, one house bot controlled by host (or a contestant if host is fighting)
Multiple hosts for multiple regions
Now fun part...
There would be 3 regions... USA, EU, Asia, mainly spit between time zones
Each host for each region
Each host will make own vids... (Us host, us vids...)
For grand finals, we set a certain date/time and fight it off...
Is this good? (No im not ditching my tourney... Ima finish it very soon)

I have comments:
You do realize this a massive project, right? Not even AI tournaments, where the entry requirement of building once within a time limit, get 54 entries very often.
How are you splitting up timezones? Is this for the brakcet? Are they sub-regions?
You'd need like 3 hosts too.

I know this is a massive project... But it is a new and interesting thing... If we fail to hit 54 single enteries... Well 54 double enteries
Splitting timezones into 3... Yes for the bracket, sub regions... Prolly (will see)

Quote from: TGM on January 20, 2018, 03:12:52 PM

There would be 3 regions... USA, EU, Asia, mainly spit between time zones
Each host for each region

Mystic2000 · « **Reply #1152 on:** January 20, 2018, 04:01:03 PM »

i think starting the online comp scene with smaller tournaments so we can figure out the organisation requirements for these before moving on to bigger scaled tournaments would be a safer alternative

Hoppin · « **Reply #1153 on:** January 20, 2018, 04:14:05 PM »

I agree slightly smaller, but keep this in the bank for a larger tourney.

Mystic2000 · « **Reply #1154 on:** January 21, 2018, 08:25:18 AM »

just thought of something that could be interesting with online: Mars Base Arena mini-comp anyone ?

kix · « **Reply #1155 on:** January 21, 2018, 08:53:44 AM »

Quote from: Hoppin on January 20, 2018, 04:14:05 PM

I agree slightly smaller, but keep this in the bank for a larger tourney.

Down from 54 to 27?

FaceBagman · « **Reply #1156 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:15:27 PM »

So I'm not much of a builder as of late. But maybe some who can't build are better off hosting!

I'm in the March Madness mood, would anyone be interested if I just ran a casual tournament structured as a seeded bracket in the Personal section? I've been toying around with OBS a lot already and have been itching to do voiceovers and the like.

Details in the spoiler box:

It would be DSL strict IRL build rules, entries must not have previous tournament experience (I think this is a rule for Personal tourneys anyways, right?), Heavyweight with CF encouraged to allow a pretty dense amount of creativity. #ActiveWeaponRule #FlamethrowerOnlyDoesNotCount

No weapon spam (mainly no more than 1 Mech disc, 2 Frenzy Hammers, kind of common sense stuff)

Multibots allowed (max 2 able to fight, but a Grubs-esque modular entry would be acceptable). Majority of weight disabled counts as KO. No drones though. Walkers/unorthodox drive trains are allowed as long as the bot can show directional movement, though no weight bonuses will be given.

Modularity allowed (up to 4 configurations) without major changes to the base robot.

32 bot minimum, each user entering may send 3 distinct robots. Accepted robots will make the cut based on an even combination of originality and effectiveness. If I get enough quality entries, I will increase the size of the tournament accordingly. I'll probably give a month to accept entries (until middle/end of March), or until I have enough to complete the bracket, whichever happens first.

3 minute fights before judge's decision, or until one bot is KOed. Was considering the RoboGames Arena; however, if this is not intended for public use, I have no problem using the next-closest thing.

KO is defined as when a robot loses directional movement or when any part of that robot touches the Out-of-Bounds area. So if one side of drive is disabled (all wheels/treads removed from left or right side), the robot will be considered KOed at the point it was immobilized. I'll restart on pins due to wonky AI/crashes, but if a bot is consistently crashing the game via havok, I reserve the right to disqualify (hopefully, the screening process will prevent this from being a problem ahead of time).

A 30 second countdown will begin if a robot that cannot drive while inverted is flipped. Thus, a shell spinner that stays careening around the arena upside-down for 30 seconds will be considered KOed.

Judge's decision will be based on the standard 3 criteria of Damage, Control, and Aggression. Instead of splitting points, each bot will be graded from 1-10 in each of the 3 categories post-match.

Main bracket is Seeded Elimination. However, there will be a Redemption Bracket for robots who did not make the Championship Round. Bracket will be sorted into 4 regions, and every bot will be graded and seeded based on my trial-runs with them and a personal eye-test before the tournament begins.

I'll record fights first, then cut them as necessary, then add in commentary & post-graphics. I worked in local news for 7 years behind-the-scenes, so I'm eager to put some effort into this!

Could this be a thing? I'm nowhere near experienced enough to feel like running a competitive tournament confidently. But I do imagine this could be a fun event that fits the spirit of the sporting season without being too hardcore.

But if I'm out of place suggesting this, just give me a slap in the face.

Olister92 · « **Reply #1157 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:21:37 PM »

Quote from: FaceBagman on February 12, 2018, 02:15:27 PM

But if I'm out of place suggesting this, just give me a slap in the face.

I don't think anyone is out of place for attempting to do tourney

FaceBagman · « **Reply #1158 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:10:41 PM »

^Thanks, Olister! I'm curious more if, due to the format, it would have to be voted on and run in the competitive tournament section; or if I could run it just for shiggles in the Personal Tournament section?

Hoppin · « **Reply #1159 on:** February 12, 2018, 03:50:06 PM »

Please do this, I'd be happy to enter