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Title: Fresh Metal (FULL)
Post by: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 03:37:28 PM
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So, here's the short story - I got into Robot Arena 2 through an offhand comment on Youtube, and started hanging around some of the RA2-related Discords as a result of that - some of you may have noticed my entry 'B80' in Orc's Wars, specifically the World Championship in 3. In doing so though, I noticed that I kept seeing a lot of the same names when it came to tournaments - Bocuma, Eyes On Me, and so on. This got me thinking - why not have a tournament that is wholly new bots out there that haven't really been seen?

Thus Fresh Metal was born. 36 robots not seen anywhere else, battling it out over 6 heats and a grand final in a reskinned Robot Wars 2016 arena, to see who is the king of the unseen. Before each heat, a vote will be held to show which entry in the heat is the fan favourite, after which there will be three 1-on-1 fights to open the heat. The 3 winners of these 1v1s will go through to the second round, alongside the most popular of the losers. To determine the heat winner, it will then be round robin format to determine the heat winner, with with ties being decided by rematch.

Build Rules:

These rules might look familiar - they're a modified version of the Orc's Wars ruleset, since that's what I have the most experience building towards, plus it's what got me into RA2 in such a big way in the first place.

Well, that's me about run out of things to say - here's hoping you guys like the idea and enough of you want to enter, heh. You're also more than welcome to leave your thoughts on what I've got here so far as well, since, well, new tournament host and all.

EDIT: Format layout below.


How To Submit?
You can either PM me here, or on Discord (BSRaven#0126) with the bot file, the type of bot, and an optional 'team logo'.

Entries:

Too Slow To Fix:
Outright Rejected:
[/list]
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Hoppin on May 23, 2019, 03:45:29 PM
How comfortable with your AI skills, recording, etc

Edit: Whats the opinion on ripping teeth?

Edit 2:
Quote from: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 03:37:28 PM
'excessive' weapon stacking is considered more than 1 tooth

Uh, I think you missed something
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2019, 03:46:22 PM
Banning 10mm steel seems pretty weird, and the burst restrictions seem a bit overly restrictive to me, especially for heavyweights. Other than that, it looks interesting. It's nice to see a new face around, and more tournament hosts are always welcome!
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: SagarisRA2 on May 23, 2019, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: Badger on May 23, 2019, 03:46:22 PM
Banning 10mm steel seems pretty weird, and the burst restrictions seem a bit overly restrictive to me, especially for heavyweights. Other than that, it looks interesting. It's nice to see a new face around, and more tournament hosts are always welcome!

IIRC correctly a lot of tournaments frown upon Steel 10 armour coz of how strong it is, but with all these tryhard verts around nowadays I don't see a problem with Steel 10 myself. Regardless, this looks like something I will happily enter.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: 09090901 on May 23, 2019, 03:55:03 PM
you might want to put in a havok/crash clause. a lot of extenderbots are near impossible to record without issue nowadays

also are bots that have been showcased, but never entered into tournaments allowed?
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 03:57:43 PM
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How comfortable with your AI skills, recording, etc

I've got my same setup from back when I was trying to get on that Let's Play hype train back in like 2014 or so. Just need to modify it a little bit to work with RA2, and then we're good to go on the recording front. AI is going to be a little bit of a crapshoot, but I did call in a favour I was owed from a friend of mine who's a pro Python coder, so they will at least work in the end.

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Edit: Whats the opinion on ripping teeth?

Fair game.

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Banning 10mm steel seems pretty weird, and the burst restrictions seem a bit overly restrictive to me, especially for heavyweights. Other than that, it looks interesting. It's nice to see a new face around, and more tournament hosts are always welcome!

Too many bursts can cause physics weirdness, I've noticed. Steel-10 is one of those rules I'm not so sure about, but I'm keeping it for now since it's part of the OW ruleset and that's what I know.

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you might want to put in a havok/crash clause. a lot of extenderbots are near impossible to record without issue nowadays
Good catch. I knew I was forgetting something.

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Uh, I think you missed something

Uh... D'oh.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: F1Krazy on May 23, 2019, 03:59:07 PM
Sounds like fun. Gonna have to have a bit of a think about what to build for this.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on May 23, 2019, 04:03:07 PM
I'll probably get something entered in this
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: kix on May 23, 2019, 04:04:14 PM
chad gonna enter this for sure
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: TheOrcCorp on May 23, 2019, 04:09:01 PM
The poll for the 4th place in the Round Robin is a unique idea and encourages viewer engagement, it all sounds pretty interesting honestly: great to see a new host step up and I'm definitely looking at entering something into this! :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Hoppin on May 23, 2019, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 03:57:43 PM
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How comfortable with your AI skills, recording, etc

I've got my same setup from back when I was trying to get on that Let's Play hype train back in like 2014 or so. Just need to modify it a little bit to work with RA2, and then we're good to go on the recording front. AI is going to be a little bit of a crapshoot, but I did call in a favour I was owed from a friend of mine who's a pro Python coder, so they will at least work in the end.

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Edit: Whats the opinion on ripping teeth?

Fair game.

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Banning 10mm steel seems pretty weird, and the burst restrictions seem a bit overly restrictive to me, especially for heavyweights. Other than that, it looks interesting. It's nice to see a new face around, and more tournament hosts are always welcome!

Too many bursts can cause physics weirdness, I've noticed. Steel-10 is one of those rules I'm not so sure about, but I'm keeping it for now since it's part of the OW ruleset and that's what I know.

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you might want to put in a havok/crash clause. a lot of extenderbots are near impossible to record without issue nowadays
Good catch. I knew I was forgetting something.

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Uh, I think you missed something

Uh... D'oh.

I can help out with some of the AI. I'm sure others here will help you out if you ask. Also, feel free to deviate from the Orcs Wars Ruleset and just go with what you feel would create a fair environment. Besides no one is really gonna use Steel 10 anyways... I think kix was the reason for that rule as he used to put it on his extenderbots.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppin on May 23, 2019, 04:09:45 PM
I can help out with some of the AI. I'm sure others here will help you out if you ask.

Yeah, I follow. For now though, I have a plan, and until something goes arse over teakettle, I plan on sticking to said plan. if needs be, I will start hitting folks up though.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: kix on May 23, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: Hoppin on May 23, 2019, 04:09:45 PM
Besides no one is really gonna use Steel 10 anyways... I think kix was the reason for that rule as he used to put it on his extenderbots.
I was the reason, but that is wrong reason

I can AI beta motors np
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Badnik96 on May 23, 2019, 09:08:49 PM
someone new who's actually put some thought into his ideas. this i like. i may give it a go.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: TheRoboteer on May 23, 2019, 09:11:07 PM
I'll bung something in. Typhoons being banned is enough to interest me alone, though I suspect ripping teeth will just take their place. I do like building new bots for tournaments too, as much as I reenter Bocuma into stuff. Will try to come up with something novel.  :thumbup
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: superbomb122 on May 23, 2019, 09:13:56 PM
Perfect time for me to test out Corruption
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Billy5545 on May 23, 2019, 09:15:52 PM
No new HW for me except OverChopper Gen III. Tbh don't like typhoons being banned, but may try the tourney anyway. Will just beef a CW flipper up to HW level for this. I just hope more tourneys won't be inspired to ban typhoons tbh
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: GIRTHQUAKE on May 23, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
What about V2+ versions of robots, or alternate designs?

These aren't the robots I would enter, but using them as an example. The one on the right "Chicken Biscuit" I have entered in a tournament. The one on the left is designed in the spirit of Chicken Biscuit, and therefore named "Chicken Biscuit JR". It's a completely different robot, but clearly an evolution of the first one. It's never been in a tournament. Would that be an acceptable entry?   [ This attachment cannot be displayed inline in 'Print Page' view ]  
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: BSRaven on May 24, 2019, 05:21:50 AM
Quote from: GIRTHQUAKE on May 23, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
What about V2+ versions of robots, or alternate designs?

Enough people asked me about this on Discord that I'll edit it into the first post - it might be a bit harsh for the case of Chicken Biscuit, but it's an anti-shenanigans addendum to the rule.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Billy5545 on May 24, 2019, 05:24:58 AM
Quote from: BSRaven on May 24, 2019, 05:21:50 AM
Quote from: GIRTHQUAKE on May 23, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
What about V2+ versions of robots, or alternate designs?

Enough people asked me about this on Discord that I'll edit it into the first post - it might be a bit harsh for the case of Chicken Biscuit, but it's an anti-shenanigans addendum to the rule.
So basically no upgrade bot if it was entered before, but brand new one?

Also want to state again, but just hoping this tourney won't influence other host to treat typhoons as OP and bannable. Just keep it to tourney you exclusively host as it's your interpretation of the rule and it's fine to me.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2019, 05:48:03 AM
Quote from: GIRTHQUAKE on May 23, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
What about V2+ versions of robots, or alternate designs?

These aren't the robots I would enter, but using them as an example. The one on the right "Chicken Biscuit" I have entered in a tournament. The one on the left is designed in the spirit of Chicken Biscuit, and therefore named "Chicken Biscuit JR". It's a completely different robot, but clearly an evolution of the first one. It's never been in a tournament. Would that be an acceptable entry?   [ This attachment cannot be displayed inline in 'Print Page' view ]  
typhoons are banned my guy
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: GIRTHQUAKE on May 24, 2019, 05:52:22 AM
Quote from: Badger on May 24, 2019, 05:48:03 AM
Quote from: GIRTHQUAKE on May 23, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
What about V2+ versions of robots, or alternate designs?

These aren't the robots I would enter, but using them as an example. The one on the right "Chicken Biscuit" I have entered in a tournament. The one on the left is designed in the spirit of Chicken Biscuit, and therefore named "Chicken Biscuit JR". It's a completely different robot, but clearly an evolution of the first one. It's never been in a tournament. Would that be an acceptable entry?   [ This attachment cannot be displayed inline in 'Print Page' view ]  
typhoons are banned my guy

I mean, i did specifically say they weren't an entry and just an example to something completely irrelevant to weapon teeth...
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2019, 06:11:03 AM
Quote from: GIRTHQUAKE on May 24, 2019, 05:52:22 AM
Quote from: Badger on May 24, 2019, 05:48:03 AM
Quote from: GIRTHQUAKE on May 23, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
What about V2+ versions of robots, or alternate designs?

These aren't the robots I would enter, but using them as an example. The one on the right "Chicken Biscuit" I have entered in a tournament. The one on the left is designed in the spirit of Chicken Biscuit, and therefore named "Chicken Biscuit JR". It's a completely different robot, but clearly an evolution of the first one. It's never been in a tournament. Would that be an acceptable entry?   [ This attachment cannot be displayed inline in 'Print Page' view ]  
typhoons are banned my guy

I mean, i did specifically say they weren't an entry and just an example to something completely irrelevant to weapon teeth...
serves me right for skim reading
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: BSRaven on May 24, 2019, 06:50:31 AM
Quote from: Billy5545 on May 24, 2019, 05:24:58 AM
So basically no upgrade bot if it was entered before, but brand new one?

That's right. The idea is to for new things to get a chance to shine, so it'd be a bit shenanigans to allow upgraded versions of veterans to show up.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: BSRaven on May 31, 2019, 12:22:59 PM
One week later, and things are just about ready for signups. This is just a refresher post since a few things have been picked up and changed over the past week:

Build Rules:

General battle rules:

Heat Format:

Grand Final Differences:
Title: Re: Fresh Metal
Post by: Hoppin on May 31, 2019, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 03:37:28 PM
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So, here's the short story - I got into Robot Arena 2 through an offhand comment on Youtube, and started hanging around some of the RA2-related Discords as a result of that - some of you may have noticed my entry 'B80' in Orc's Wars, specifically the World Championship in 3. In doing so though, I noticed that I kept seeing a lot of the same names when it came to tournaments - Bocuma, Eyes On Me, and so on. This got me thinking - why not have a tournament that is wholly new bots out there that haven't really been seen?

Thus Fresh Metal was born. 36 robots not seen anywhere else, battling it out over 6 heats and a grand final in a reskinned Robot Wars 2016 arena, to see who is the king of the unseen. Before each heat, a vote will be held to show which entry in the heat is the fan favourite, after which there will be three 1-on-1 fights to open the heat. The 3 winners of these 1v1s will go through to the second round, alongside the most popular of the losers. To determine the heat winner, it will then be round robin format to determine the heat winner, with with ties being decided by rematch.

Build Rules:
  • DSL-IRL Heavyweights - 800kg weight limit, no nonsensical clipping. If you could cut a hole in it without affecting the bot, however, it's fair game.
  • Your bot cannot be an entrant from a previous tournament, or an upgraded version of an entry in a previous tournament.
  • Component Freedom and DSC IRL packs are allowed and encouraged, as is BFE for chassis height, extender colours and pixel chassis. OBJ bots are also allowed, provided they aren't too heavy on faces.
  • Reskinned components are okay, but only reskins. No wholesale custom parts.
  • Clusterbots are banned. Tried to make them work, but they break the Grand Final too much - sorry!
  • Swiss Army Bots are allowed 3 configurations. The chassis and internals unrelated to the weapon (batteries, drive system, armour etc.) should remain the same across configurations.
  • Flat Motors, Hworf Blades and the Overkill Motor are valid parts from cheatbot2. No others, however.
  • You are limited to 1 Beta Burst/Motor, or 2 VDMA Bursts of the same kind. No mixing and matching.
  • No Typhoon teeth or Mechavore/Microvore/Minion/Miniminion discs. We have so many other parts, let's see them!
  • No servos unless you can do your own AI and send it with the bot.
  • No 'meltybrain' bots.
  • No bots using EternalFlame.py or logic.
  • Steel 10mm armour is banned.
  • No spamming or excessively stacking stuff. This rule applies to both extenders and weapons, and 'excessive' weapon stacking is considered more than 1 tooth per attachment point on the weapon. No doomstacks of teeth!
  • If the loadtime for your bot is too long or it crashes too much during testing, I reserve the right to reject it.
  • If you have a self-righting mechanism that clips through the floor too many times in a given fight, you will be ruled as immobilised.

These rules might look familiar - they're a modified version of the Orc's Wars ruleset, since that's what I have the most experience building towards, plus it's what got me into RA2 in such a big way in the first place.

Well, that's me about run out of things to say - here's hoping you guys like the idea and enough of you want to enter, heh. You're also more than welcome to leave your thoughts on what I've got here so far as well, since, well, new tournament host and all.

EDIT: Format layout below.


Welcome to signups
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: NickyDustyOwl on June 01, 2019, 10:52:31 PM
Oh My, Look at all those Rejections.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 01:52:57 AM
The amount of rejection and the reasons though. Really strict interpretation of IRL rule (Edit: adding more thought, but I do think for few of the bots, it's bordering on extreme) imo.

Anyway though, in signup post, just call me Billy. I don't prefer being called Kendor on any robot combat game server, despite it being my original ID, as it's from NationStates, and I go by different name in other places.

Also just want to say, but you should add a post about each acception or rejection of entries to notify people on it, rather than people looking themselves
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: kix on June 02, 2019, 02:03:21 AM
Tbh rejection for some bots are really bard, could you dm me some explanations because some parts are possible irl
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: BSRaven on June 02, 2019, 05:36:48 AM
At the recommendation of several folks, here's a short list of why I initially rejected some stuff:

Badger's magical floating burst motor:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584117636485480448/584680142954299413/unknown.png)

Sickle's antigravity batteries:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584117636485480448/584681165873479680/unknown.png)

SmallSmallRose's linear actuators:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584117636485480448/584681745115512843/unknown.png)

NickyDustyOwl's AWESOME but not legal weapon:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584117636485480448/584682056294989824/unknown.png)

MrBK's Dodgy Wheels:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584117636485480448/584682465625374730/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 05:40:55 AM
You reposted the same pic for first one

Anyway, for second one, that looks legal. I think like it's still attached to an extender om the side points, and I feel like the bot has a baseplate to hold it I think. Plus IRL, you can use other stuffs to keep it held on

For third, ask other people, like me for example, to AI it for you instead. I think she doesn't know how to AI at all

For fourth, so, you rejected it because you thought the thin shaft for the bar would snap on impact IRL, especially with such heavy teeth. Or just it doesn't have enough support because heavy weapon plus non triangular shape

For fifth, I agree. It definitely clips
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2019, 05:54:03 AM
CROP YOUR SCREENSHOTS PEOPLE, anyway my hot takes below FWIW

Ya, MCL-34 is worse than I remember. I think it's borderline but OK for regular IRL tournaments (It's been accepted a few times now), since you're going more strict I see your point. Fair do's. The whole chassis of the bot is pretty poorly done TBH, so maybe a remake is on the cards.

#2 looks the same, IRL legal by our standards but it's not something you'd actually see IRL probably. Not as bad as my bot.

Rejecting a bot cause you can't AI it is pretty bad, since knowing how to AI is a prerequisite for hosting a tournament. If it's a lifter bot, I'm sure there's a lifter.py or something like that, with a relatively easy setup. Worst comes to worst, you can usually get anything AI'd if you post in the GTM discord asking for help.

#4 see #2 but probably about as bad as my bot if not worse

#5 ya that looks like straight clipping
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 06:02:11 AM
Quote from: Badger on June 02, 2019, 05:54:03 AM
CROP YOUR SCREENSHOTS PEOPLE, anyway my hot takes below FWIW

Ya, MCL-34 is worse than I remember. I think it's borderline but OK for regular IRL tournaments (It's been accepted a few times now), since you're going more strict I see your point. Fair do's. The whole chassis of the bot is pretty poorly done TBH, so maybe a remake is on the cards.

#2 looks the same, IRL legal by our standards but it's not something you'd actually see IRL probably. Not as bad as my bot.

Rejecting a bot cause you can't AI it is pretty bad, since knowing how to AI is a prerequisite for hosting a tournament. If it's a lifter bot, I'm sure there's a lifter.py or something like that, with a relatively easy setup. Worst comes to worst, you can usually get anything AI'd if you post in the GTM discord asking for help.

#4 see #2 but probably about as bad as my bot if not worse

#5 ya that looks like straight clipping
Tbf for MCL-34, I only accepted the VS version that you made specifically for me. Never saw that bot entered into anything other than this and my tourney
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: KidDelta on June 02, 2019, 06:05:59 AM
Wow just realised the Kamen rider inspired bot is literally called Black Hazard.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: TheOrcCorp on June 02, 2019, 06:15:12 AM
Quote from: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 05:40:55 AM
For third, ask other people, like me for example, to AI it for you instead. I think she doesn't know how to AI at all
I had a linear actuator robot or two for OW3 and I had no idea how to AI them even with help from others.

Just remember guys, IRL is subjective: each host can deny entries that would be accepted in other tournaments. Let's not jump on Raven for denying stuff when it's his first time hosting. Regardless, hoping Duo gets in and I'm looking forward to this interesting tournament. :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: BSRaven on June 02, 2019, 06:15:48 AM
Quote from: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 05:40:55 AM
For fourth, so, you rejected it because you thought the thin shaft for the bar would snap on impact IRL, especially with such heavy teeth. Or just it doesn't have enough support because heavy weapon plus non triangular shape

It's mostly the bar being too thin to absorb the shocks with teeth that heavy that had me so unsure. It's been fixed though!
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2019, 06:32:13 AM
Quote from: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 06:02:11 AM
Quote from: Badger on June 02, 2019, 05:54:03 AM
CROP YOUR SCREENSHOTS PEOPLE, anyway my hot takes below FWIW

Ya, MCL-34 is worse than I remember. I think it's borderline but OK for regular IRL tournaments (It's been accepted a few times now), since you're going more strict I see your point. Fair do's. The whole chassis of the bot is pretty poorly done TBH, so maybe a remake is on the cards.

#2 looks the same, IRL legal by our standards but it's not something you'd actually see IRL probably. Not as bad as my bot.

Rejecting a bot cause you can't AI it is pretty bad, since knowing how to AI is a prerequisite for hosting a tournament. If it's a lifter bot, I'm sure there's a lifter.py or something like that, with a relatively easy setup. Worst comes to worst, you can usually get anything AI'd if you post in the GTM discord asking for help.

#4 see #2 but probably about as bad as my bot if not worse

#5 ya that looks like straight clipping
Tbf for MCL-34, I only accepted the VS version that you made specifically for me. Never saw that bot entered into anything other than this and my tourney
I didn't make the VS version specifically for you, I made it before I entered either version in anything as a tryhard "Tournament Edition" version of the regular bot, as I do with a few of my builds. IIRC I've entered the axebot version in 1 or 2 other tournaments, where it's been accepted.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 06:45:30 AM
Quote from: Badger on June 02, 2019, 06:32:13 AM
Quote from: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 06:02:11 AM
Quote from: Badger on June 02, 2019, 05:54:03 AM
CROP YOUR SCREENSHOTS PEOPLE, anyway my hot takes below FWIW

Ya, MCL-34 is worse than I remember. I think it's borderline but OK for regular IRL tournaments (It's been accepted a few times now), since you're going more strict I see your point. Fair do's. The whole chassis of the bot is pretty poorly done TBH, so maybe a remake is on the cards.

#2 looks the same, IRL legal by our standards but it's not something you'd actually see IRL probably. Not as bad as my bot.

Rejecting a bot cause you can't AI it is pretty bad, since knowing how to AI is a prerequisite for hosting a tournament. If it's a lifter bot, I'm sure there's a lifter.py or something like that, with a relatively easy setup. Worst comes to worst, you can usually get anything AI'd if you post in the GTM discord asking for help.

#4 see #2 but probably about as bad as my bot if not worse

#5 ya that looks like straight clipping
Tbf for MCL-34, I only accepted the VS version that you made specifically for me. Never saw that bot entered into anything other than this and my tourney
I didn't make the VS version specifically for you, I made it before I entered either version in anything as a tryhard "Tournament Edition" version of the regular bot, as I do with a few of my builds. IIRC I've entered the axebot version in 1 or 2 other tournaments, where it's been accepted.
Just want to ask, but what are those tourneys. Never saw them
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2019, 06:49:30 AM
Quote from: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 06:45:30 AM
Quote from: Badger on June 02, 2019, 06:32:13 AM
Quote from: Billy5545 on June 02, 2019, 06:02:11 AM
Quote from: Badger on June 02, 2019, 05:54:03 AM
CROP YOUR SCREENSHOTS PEOPLE, anyway my hot takes below FWIW

Ya, MCL-34 is worse than I remember. I think it's borderline but OK for regular IRL tournaments (It's been accepted a few times now), since you're going more strict I see your point. Fair do's. The whole chassis of the bot is pretty poorly done TBH, so maybe a remake is on the cards.

#2 looks the same, IRL legal by our standards but it's not something you'd actually see IRL probably. Not as bad as my bot.

Rejecting a bot cause you can't AI it is pretty bad, since knowing how to AI is a prerequisite for hosting a tournament. If it's a lifter bot, I'm sure there's a lifter.py or something like that, with a relatively easy setup. Worst comes to worst, you can usually get anything AI'd if you post in the GTM discord asking for help.

#4 see #2 but probably about as bad as my bot if not worse

#5 ya that looks like straight clipping
Tbf for MCL-34, I only accepted the VS version that you made specifically for me. Never saw that bot entered into anything other than this and my tourney
I didn't make the VS version specifically for you, I made it before I entered either version in anything as a tryhard "Tournament Edition" version of the regular bot, as I do with a few of my builds. IIRC I've entered the axebot version in 1 or 2 other tournaments, where it's been accepted.
Just want to ask, but what are those tourneys. Never saw them
Just went back through my PMs and I can't find anything, so I guess I was just making sh** up in my head. My bad, I could've sworn that I submitted it to at least 1 tournament somewhere down the line.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: TheRoboteer on June 02, 2019, 07:43:56 AM
Seeing stuff actually get rejected for sh** like this is pretty refreshing NGL. If tourney hosts stop accepting borderline sh**, build standards are naturally gonna go up as a result.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: RedAce on June 02, 2019, 11:49:04 AM
Quote from: TheRoboteer on June 02, 2019, 07:43:56 AM
Seeing stuff actually get rejected for sh** like this is pretty refreshing NGL. If tourney hosts stop accepting borderline sh**, build standards are naturally gonna go up as a result.
Yeah, and in this case, I've also had to reject numerous bots for breaking realistic rules so I'm glad that at least some new people are starting to catch on to how IRL can work in the end.  Other than that, I'm not picky on how well built or cool it is.  Improvements are bound to happen, but in due time I always tell myself.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: BSRaven on June 03, 2019, 09:04:34 AM
I don't know how anyone expected King Chrome to pass muster with this clipping...

Also, 9 slots left!
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2019, 09:07:22 AM
Do you have the battery AP fix/mod? Most people use it when building, and the weird battery placement could possibly be due to you not having it? There's also a similar fix/mod for the NPC motors which is generally accepted into tournaments as well.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: BSRaven on June 03, 2019, 09:07:52 AM
Quote from: Badger on June 03, 2019, 09:07:22 AM
Do you have the battery AP fix/mod? Most people use it when building, and the weird battery placement could possibly be due to you not having it? There's also a similar fix/mod for the NPC motors which is generally accepted into tournaments as well.

Already got both. Had a derp moment regarding Kix's entry, since he used it.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2019, 09:13:38 AM
Fair enough, that is a very weird place to put a battery which is why I asked.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: BSRaven on June 05, 2019, 06:14:10 AM
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King Chrome continues to be full of "why did you not read the rules"  :vista:
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Team Code Red Robotics on June 05, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
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King Chrome continues to be full of "why did you not read the rules"  :vista:
Do you have the fixed beta motor APs?
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: TheRoboteer on June 05, 2019, 09:58:37 AM
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King Chrome continues to be full of "why did you not read the rules"  :vista:
Do you have the fixed beta motor APs?
Yeah I think this could be the issue. It looks to me as though there'd still be some minor clipping even if he's using a modified Beta AP compared to what you're using, but it would be a lot less egregious than this.

Just another argument for people to stop releasing these single-component modpacks that only serve to make tournament hosts' lives difficult tbh  heck
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: kix on June 05, 2019, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: TheRoboteer on June 05, 2019, 09:58:37 AM
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King Chrome continues to be full of "why did you not read the rules"  :vista:
Do you have the fixed beta motor APs?
Yeah I think this could be the issue. It looks to me as though there'd still be some minor clipping even if he's using a modified Beta AP compared to what you're using, but it would be a lot less egregious than this.

Just another argument for people to stop releasing these single-component modpacks that only serve to make tournament hosts' lives difficult tbh  heck

Tbh i might release a 2.0 version, but when i decide to make more useful components (so never)
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Scrapyard24c on June 05, 2019, 04:22:40 PM
Well I'm glad Tired Iron got in.  I honestly don't expect to win this tbh as I haven't entered a tourney since 2016.  For me, this is a way to help shake the cobwebs out, have some mindless fun, and use this experience to help with future designs.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Gulden on June 05, 2019, 06:00:52 PM
Quote from: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 03:37:28 PM
5. Caution (Horizontal Spinner) - Guldenflame
9. Warning (Horizontal Spinner) - Primeval
Coincidences are fun.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: BSRaven on June 07, 2019, 06:03:58 PM
 
Almost missed this one on Disprezzata, but I saw it in the end.

Also, 9 slots remain before rejects start getting pushed out. If you're in the red, better hurry up and fix it.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Badnik96 on June 08, 2019, 12:06:32 AM
i don't even recognize half the people in this tournament where did these people come from
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: NickyDustyOwl on June 08, 2019, 12:57:42 AM
Quote from: Badnik96 on June 08, 2019, 12:06:32 AM
i don't even recognize half the people in this tournament where did these people come from
Probably some of his friends on discord.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: Billy5545 on June 08, 2019, 02:03:13 AM
Quote from: NickyDustyOwl on June 08, 2019, 12:57:42 AM
Quote from: Badnik96 on June 08, 2019, 12:06:32 AM
i don't even recognize half the people in this tournament where did these people come from
Probably some of his friends on discord.
Yeah. They came from the OW (now RA2T) Discord, as well as the MS2 (Mystrysko) Discord IIRC. And few others seem to be from GTM but not that active
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: BSRaven on June 13, 2019, 06:17:24 AM
I wish people would read the build rules. :facepalm:

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Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Signups Now Open!)
Post by: NickyDustyOwl on June 13, 2019, 07:22:29 AM
Wow, I mean no comment on that. Typhoon Teeth AND Intersecting batteries?
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (Second Signups Now Open!)
Post by: BSRaven on June 13, 2019, 12:32:57 PM
Due to there being only 6 slots remaining before rejected bots start getting thrown out and a lack of response from some of those rejects, I'm opening up signups for second entries per builder. Same build rules apply.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (FULL)
Post by: Billy5545 on June 13, 2019, 07:37:45 PM
F for the five people who failed to get in

But I also love how you are able to invite former OW competitors, and Robottal Wars guys (except Mystrysko) like Strudel, SamElliott, etc to here, as IIRC, they normally don't join RA2 tournies
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (FULL)
Post by: TheRoboteer on June 13, 2019, 07:42:37 PM
Looking forward to seeing how I do in this. Going off the bots I know, Claymore should be in with a decent shot, though Zayzo is clearly the favourite to win for me.

If Cosecha even so much as puts up a fight in one of its matches I'll be satisfied, let alone if it wins one.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (FULL)
Post by: kix on June 14, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Guess i sent my entry too late yesterday. Well, this might still be fun
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (FULL)
Post by: Merrick on June 14, 2019, 07:37:53 AM
Quote from: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 03:37:28 PM

  • Banisher (Axe/Lifter/Grabber/Flamer all-in-one) - Merrick


Awwww yeah, this can only end well.
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (FULL)
Post by: kaiser on June 15, 2019, 10:40:22 PM
Quote from: BSRaven on May 23, 2019, 03:37:28 PM

  • Disprezzata 8 (Vertical spinner) - Kaiser (Nice try sneaking that clipped gas canister into your
Wtf
Title: Re: Fresh Metal (FULL)
Post by: BSRaven on June 16, 2019, 06:32:29 AM
Quote from: kaiser on June 15, 2019, 10:40:22 PM
Wtf

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It's subtle, but it's clipped.
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