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« on: September 14, 2019, 12:41:39 AM »
No-one is obligated to play RA2 in order to give their 2 cents. People can still care about how a community conducts themselves even if they're no longer active in it. I mean, I had to check GTM to get here. Doesn't mean I (or any other oldie in the woodwork) have to still actively participate in it
I legitimately do not see how you can possibly think it is reasonable that GTM should beholden to a group of people who don't even use it. If you care about GTM, good for you, but the people who actually use the forums are the ones whose concerns should be listened to. Either that or we should be tailoring the forum towards those newbies who are on the discords but currently avoid GTM. Just so happens that what the boomers want is pretty much exactly opposite to what most newbies want. That is why the boomers who show up in threads like these to bitch and moan are harmful to GTM.
2019 me, even after all this discussion, wouldn't know where to begin
Build and post an RA2 bot pretty much anywhere, leave a comment on one of the many tournament videos on Youtube, post on reddit or any other community asking about a robot combat game. Basically show pretty much any interest in RA2. Shockingly if you aren't interested in the game, you probably won't get invited to communities that revolve around that game. If that's somehow unreasonable to you then I don't know what to say
I'm saying it's unreasonable for the community to not be completely public when it has been for so long up until now. There really is no good reason for it
When you curate your community so that only people who are actually interested in the game are included it makes for a much better atmosphere. I'm sure as an outsider looking in it's probably a bit alienating but GTM is public, and exists, and you didn't feel the need to post on here so I doubt it's that concerning to you. I think it's quite telling that the people who actually play the game and keep up to date with the community are mostly fine with the situation, though most don't want to see GTM die. If you haven't been active since 2016, drop in and see how much things have changed, you're naturally gonna be opposed to it, but that doesn't automatically mean that the changes are for the worse.
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« on: September 14, 2019, 12:13:24 AM »
No-one is obligated to play RA2 in order to give their 2 cents. People can still care about how a community conducts themselves even if they're no longer active in it. I mean, I had to check GTM to get here. Doesn't mean I (or any other oldie in the woodwork) have to still actively participate in it
I legitimately do not see how you can possibly think it is reasonable that GTM should beholden to a group of people who don't even use it. If you care about GTM, good for you, but the people who actually use the forums are the ones whose concerns should be listened to. Either that or we should be tailoring the forum towards those newbies who are on the discords but currently avoid GTM. Just so happens that what the boomers want is pretty much exactly opposite to what most newbies want. That is why the boomers who show up in threads like these to bitch and moan are harmful to GTM.
2019 me, even after all this discussion, wouldn't know where to begin
Build and post an RA2 bot pretty much anywhere, leave a comment on one of the many tournament videos on Youtube, post on reddit or any other community asking about a robot combat game. Basically show pretty much any interest in RA2. Shockingly if you aren't interested in the game, you probably won't get invited to communities that revolve around that game. If that's somehow unreasonable to you then I don't know what to say
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« on: September 13, 2019, 11:25:19 PM »
No-one is obligated to play RA2 in order to give their 2 cents. People can still care about how a community conducts themselves even if they're no longer active in it. I mean, I had to check GTM to get here. Doesn't mean I (or any other oldie in the woodwork) have to still actively participate in it
I legitimately do not see how you can possibly think it is reasonable that GTM should beholden to a group of people who don't even use it. If you care about GTM, good for you, but the people who actually use the forums are the ones whose concerns should be listened to. Either that or we should be tailoring the forum towards those newbies who are on the discords but currently avoid GTM. Just so happens that what the boomers want is pretty much exactly opposite to what most newbies want. That is why the boomers who show up in threads like these to bitch and moan are harmful to GTM. Of course I realise GTM isn't the centre of the RA2 universe... it's the basis of the discussion we're having now. But why is it not? Everything currently being done in a wide variety of discords could be done on GTM and it would bring everyone playing RA2 together under 1 umbrella and create a larger community. To me, it just seems like all these groups have their own discord just because they can. I wanna come back and start hosting some tournaments again just so I can make a new discord for each one.
GTM isn't the centre of the RA2 universe for a variety of reasons. Forums in general are a dying breed to begin with, but outside of that there's the fact that in a discord you can get immediate feedback, and feedback during the building of a bot. There's also GTM's niche humour to address. I don't have any problem with it, in fact I oftentimes find it pretty funny, but a lot of newbies, especially younger kids, do, and obviously every time someone tries to do something about it the boomers all emerge to reminisce about the 'good old days' when you could flame some newbie and call them a retard because they didn't use the right drive motors. Surely you must see how such a fragmented community for such a small playerbase is stupid, right? It's needlessly complex. Even if one got invited to all the groups and had every avenue open to them, where do they post their bots? Who gives them advice? Is it everywhere or just one place? If it's the former, that's a lot of hassle, posting the same thing to 5 different discords. If it's the latter, how do they know they're getting the best advice and feedback on their robot? And not everyone interested in RA2 would see they bot if they're not in all the discords.
Maybe you'd have a point here if the feedback and advice on GTM wasn't total dogsh**. It has been for years now. The like system killed any last remnants of decent advice on the forums. Go and look through the showcase section and you'll see what I mean. On a discord you can get pretty much immediate feedback, in fact many people post bots that they're midway through building in order to get advice on what to do next. The great thing too is that on a discord you're pretty much guaranteed that someone will see your bot and give some feedback to it, where on GTM it'll often get buried by some boomers arguing about how their opinions on a forum they don't use need to be respected 
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« on: September 13, 2019, 10:45:31 PM »
as a """boomer"""" I hate the fact I have to join a new discord server for like every god damn tournament to know whats even going on but that's just me
****ing this
I wouldn't mind if GTM weren't the only place to go for RA2 if I didn't have to go on a scavenger hunt to find the other ones. I swear the OW and PWS servers aren't public and they're apparently the most thriving places for RA2. I could be wrong by now (since I last checked) but I just can't be arsed to check and go on said scavenger hunt. I don't know how the current community puts up with it.
As geice said, pretty much everyone actively playing the game who isn't a raging arsehole gets invited to these servers. You don't play the game, or at least haven't shown any evidence of it, so you aren't in them. Newbies who show up do play the game, and most of them are in these discords as a result. If you really want to get in, legit all you have to do is play the game, and if you aren't interested in doing that then there's probably very little in the discords for you anyway.
but how will new guys know to start being active on GTM in order to get invited to these more active splinter groups? As Badger said, all they see, on the surface, is a relatively dead forum. What kind of incentive is that? You say all one has to do is play RA2 but it really isn't that simple. And what's meant to happen, literally every new person gets PM'd 3 discord links when they post a showcase? Sounds pretty pointless to me.
Literally any activity, anywhere suffices. Shocking as it maybe, GTM isn't the centre of the RA2 universe anymore, in fact I'd say the vast majority of newbies into the discords never even visit GTM other than to download the game. RA2 is alive and well outside of GTM and most people in the discords come from discovering the tournaments that are being created by these discords, not from GTM. In fact, most newbies who DO turn up on GTM have been directed there by people in the discords, who, believe it or not, also don't want to see GTM die. No-one is obligated to play RA2 in order to give their 2 cents. People can still care about how a community conducts themselves even if they're no longer active in it. I mean, I had to check GTM to get here. Doesn't mean I (or any other oldie in the woodwork) have to still actively participate in it
I think complaining about the demise of a forum while simultaneously contributing to that demise through inaction is pretty rich personally. No sh** the forum is dying when such a large contingent of its users literally only shows up to oppose any attempt to make changes that might encourage people to use it, before disappearing back into inactivity as soon as the prospect of actually using the forum for its intended purpose comes up
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« on: September 13, 2019, 09:05:30 PM »
as a """boomer"""" I hate the fact I have to join a new discord server for like every god damn tournament to know whats even going on but that's just me
****ing this
I wouldn't mind if GTM weren't the only place to go for RA2 if I didn't have to go on a scavenger hunt to find the other ones. I swear the OW and PWS servers aren't public and they're apparently the most thriving places for RA2. I could be wrong by now (since I last checked) but I just can't be arsed to check and go on said scavenger hunt. I don't know how the current community puts up with it.
As geice said, pretty much everyone actively playing the game who isn't a raging arsehole gets invited to these servers. You don't play the game, or at least haven't shown any evidence of it, so you aren't in them. Newbies who show up do play the game, and most of them are in these discords as a result. If you really want to get in, legit all you have to do is play the game, and if you aren't interested in doing that then there's probably very little in the discords for you anyway. I think it's pretty funny how people who have shown 0 interest in doing any of the things that ACTUALLY keep this community alive (posting in showcases, giving feedback, entering BOTM et cetera) are suddenly so concerned about GTM dying. If you're really that concerned, start showing more activity than simply coming out of the woodwork to complain that the forum isn't the same as it was back in 2011/12/whatever year
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« on: September 12, 2019, 06:33:52 PM »
My only suggestion would be Pwn given that he's semi active, the boomers have respect for him, but unlike the boomers I think he's actually played the game within the last year (Could be wrong though). Other than that though I'm drawing a blank. Pretty much everyone left on the site is either some out of touch boomer who only shows up to complain in the annual GTM self-reflection thread, a zoomer, or not interested in the responsibility of administrating (which is pretty understandable considering the job is basically thankless, while also being the go-to person to blame when there are issues)
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« on: September 11, 2019, 09:13:31 PM »
The usage of the taz wedges is pretty nice, but I feel like the weapon motor and srimech are kinda poorly-integrated. IK there's probably no real room for them inside the chassis with the 4 NPC fasts but I don't think asymmetrically slapping them on top is the answer personally
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« on: September 10, 2019, 10:00:01 PM »
Could probably be a CW looking at it, with just 1 E-Tek powering the drum, but it's fine as a hw if it gets a little more speed. I did experiment with getting it down to CW by dropping one of the E-Teks and stripping some of the armour, but could not seem to strip those final few kilos while keeping it looking "good", instead it is currently a slightly underweight HW.
Oh and Twisted Fate 2 for MM3 champ don't @ me
Well, no pressure then! 
 And here she is, as you can see I figured out how to skin parts and went a bit mad with all the panels. Drive upgraded to TWM3R2s which has, along with the lowered weight, turned it from a slow hitter to a feisty demon. Rear, side and top panels are titanium, extenders aluminium and the front armour is steel. Now to figure out how the hell AI'ing works so I can set this boy loose in tourneys!
Nice work with the skinning on the panels. It looks as though the beaters on the drum are gonna clip the front of the drive motors when the drum spins though, which would rule it out of being IRL. I could be wrong though. If it is the case that it does clip, I'd suggest maybe trying NPCs/NPC fasts arranged like so: Again though, really nice work. You're already well ahead of several people who've been building far longer than you have.
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« on: September 10, 2019, 01:34:48 PM »
Partial clipping of beaters, flipper panels etc is generally fine. What isn't allowed is having things fully inside each other (which is generally referred to as stacking rather than clipping) If you're unsure about the legality of something you can ask a tournament host or someone and they'll generally be able to tell you if it does or does not fly :)
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« on: September 09, 2019, 10:49:13 AM »
Great work my man. A tiny bit of messiness where the angle corners meet the wedge, but there's bots built by people with 10+ years of experience with worse than that so don't worry about it at all All in all, it looks well thought-out, and well put together, which is very, very high praise for a first bot. Look forward to seeing what you put out in the future 
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« on: September 05, 2019, 02:59:05 PM »
2 bot event limit
elaborate?
There's a setting where you can turn off melees in the events. I believe that is what he's referring to
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« on: September 05, 2019, 01:53:03 PM »
can we have an irl tournament without a ****ing pit
we were discussing the potential of disabling the pit
I think in a tournament like GTMCS the pit being disabled makes sense. I'm normally somewhat pro-pit (despite it robbing me in the grand final of OW3 ) as I think it adds an extra factor than just "who has the most typhoons", but in a flagship tournament I don't think it would be a good look to have fights decided by such a pure RNG factor
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« on: September 04, 2019, 08:33:51 PM »
RedAce mentioned in the OW4 qualifying stream that the way the disc went through the srimech panel partially irked him
I'm gonna be honest, I completely forgot I even said that until you pointed that out. 
But hey, this is possibly the cleanest Speed Demon yet. Nice work mate.
I'd forgotten too but then when I was mid way through the rebuild it sprang to mind and I figured I might as well fix it on this version. You were right though I do think it looks better with a proper cutout for the disc
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« on: September 04, 2019, 06:59:33 PM »
Been a bit of a theme to this showcase lately of "rebuilding old bots to be better". Here's another one of those that you're probably sick to death of seeing by now: It's Speed Demon. This is a total, square 1 rebuild of SD because I figured I could do a lot of things better. A big change is that I ditched the panel+extender wheelguards. I did this for 2 reasons. The first is that I figured that I could actually probably save some weight by just going pure chassis, which proved to be true, and the second is that I wanted to make the chassis overall shorter, and 40cm panels would be slightly too big now to line up perfectly flush. I also took the opportunity to increase the drive. SDVI had 2 NPCfasts, which I was fine with speed wise, however after I mounted them at the back to alleviate it getting stuck on the wall after losing that was several times, I was not happy with the turning circle I was getting. So I opted for the best of both worlds and went to 4WD with the rear wheels poking out the back. Drive is 2NPC regulars (weight is still at a premium), and 2 TWMRs, which make for a nice speed boost over SDVI while also giving me a much better turning circle. I also just cleaned up some rough edges. RedAce mentioned in the OW4 qualifying stream that the way the disc went through the srimech panel partially irked him, so I rectified that, and I also took the opportunity to give it a nicer skin now that the sides are totally blank. Pretty happy with this one now. Also for the first time in a long while, an internals shot for those who care.
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« on: September 03, 2019, 11:38:41 AM »
I am sh** at CS kix, it's just that you're even sh**ter :^)
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« on: September 01, 2019, 12:33:21 PM »
From what everyone has listed about the problems with RA2 and GTM so far, it something that I do agree with. Most of these reasons were why I stopped playing RA2, not just because I didn't have the time or effort to put into the game, but also from being happening over the forums. One point I would make is around tournaments gtm and why I don't participate in tournaments that much: all the tournaments hosted on the site have all been using the DSL-IRL meta, every other meta include stock and ironforge is dead. In turn, every time someone tries to host a tournament which runs on any of the dead metas or attempting to revive said meta, barely anyone jumps to the gun when sign-ups are open.
I've nothing against the DSL-IRL meta even if it's not my cup of tea, since there are plenty good bots and tournaments, but I'm just pointing about that because the tournaments on GTM have been doing nothing but DSL-IRL. This may be because DSL-IRL is very easy to get into from a new player's pov since you just design a robot like what you see on shows like Battlebots and Robot Wars, with having to follow key rules including no part intersection etc. Stock and Ironforge on the other hand is different, while there is no restrictions, but the level of requirement for both this metas including glitches and building a bot for effectiveness over looks, is enough to put off any new comers to the meta and thus cause a general decline in users enter such tournaments.
In turn and would sound stupid: I do feel that gtm should do more with using the dead metas in tournaments to gather interest from new users, and possibly try a see a new bloom instead of concluding that meta is dead, and we should just focus on DSL-IRL for the next two or more years.
Nobody plays stock, IF, DSL-S etc because none of the advocates for it are actually active enough to push any newbie towards it.
That's the point. Since every other meta including Stock, IF, DSl-S is dead, then tournament hosts would just assume "Why bother setting my tournament meta to something like Stock etc. if no one is going to enter?" Therefore the majority of tournament hosts would go and focus on the most active meta which happens to be DSL-IRL, in turn continues the complacent syndrome, encouraging users to continue focusing on the DSL-IRL meta, no one would want to play any of the other meta, and soon they're considered dead by the community.
I think the onus is on the people who want DSL-S and unrealistic to make a comeback to encourage newbies to try it, rather than on the people who are fine with IRL to do so.
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« on: September 01, 2019, 10:45:58 AM »
From what everyone has listed about the problems with RA2 and GTM so far, it something that I do agree with. Most of these reasons were why I stopped playing RA2, not just because I didn't have the time or effort to put into the game, but also from being happening over the forums. One point I would make is around tournaments gtm and why I don't participate in tournaments that much: all the tournaments hosted on the site have all been using the DSL-IRL meta, every other meta include stock and ironforge is dead. In turn, every time someone tries to host a tournament which runs on any of the dead metas or attempting to revive said meta, barely anyone jumps to the gun when sign-ups are open.
I've nothing against the DSL-IRL meta even if it's not my cup of tea, since there are plenty good bots and tournaments, but I'm just pointing about that because the tournaments on GTM have been doing nothing but DSL-IRL. This may be because DSL-IRL is very easy to get into from a new player's pov since you just design a robot like what you see on shows like Battlebots and Robot Wars, with having to follow key rules including no part intersection etc. Stock and Ironforge on the other hand is different, while there is no restrictions, but the level of requirement for both this metas including glitches and building a bot for effectiveness over looks, is enough to put off any new comers to the meta and thus cause a general decline in users enter such tournaments.
In turn and would sound stupid: I do feel that gtm should do more with using the dead metas in tournaments to gather interest from new users, and possibly try a see a new bloom instead of concluding that meta is dead, and we should just focus on DSL-IRL for the next two or more years.
Nobody plays stock, IF, DSL-S etc because none of the advocates for it are actually active enough to push any newbie towards it.
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« on: August 30, 2019, 03:30:36 PM »
Does this mean I'm the most toxic user now?
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« on: August 24, 2019, 09:21:37 PM »
A team I was rooting for: The Incel State of GTM and Team We're Gonna Win
I like the replica of tombstone, seeing them lose against Snowcogs is a something becuase the other one was a fast turning vtec bot.
I thought both of the flipper was going to had a bad time until they went though the Loser's Bracket until getting stopped by the Replica and the Speedy Speed Boi. TY based Wen
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« on: August 22, 2019, 06:25:02 PM »
Sev and Hoppin would get glocked if they ever met a real gamer tbh
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