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« on: September 02, 2012, 07:03:20 AM »
How can I get my tournament noticed?Be original. Tournaments with more interesting premises are more likely to catch the attention of potential entrants. If your tournament is bland, say, Stock Middleweight it’ll take more work on your part to get it voted in. Another thing to consider doing is a Display Tournament. They can keep your profile high, and if you demonstrate here that you are capable of hosting something, then you will become more known to the members of the forum and your tournament may receive more notice. What happens if I do not complete the Tournament within the allotted time?Before you start a tournament you have to make sure that you have the time. It isn’t anybody else’s problem if you fail to ensure this. This, or bailing from hosting your tournament will also mean that you incur a ban from starting a new tournament and if you flout that rule you won’t get the chance to host at all. A summary of this procedure is available in Tournament Management. Of course, the mod team recognises that there are times when something beyond your control crops up and you become unable to complete the tournament. But expect to be questioned on it, because it is important that the ‘lazy bailers’, if you will, do not escape unpunished. If I am unable to complete my tournament, what happens to it?Largely this depends on who is around at the time. If you are lucky, then someone may offer to finish the tournament for you. However, it's not guaranteed that this will happen so don’t hold any preconceptions that someone will finish your tournament. You will need to supply entrants and AI bindings to the new host if your tournament is taken over. There is also the option of postponing it, and finishing it yourself at a later date. wat is ai who is acamsNo, Halitosis. Go away. What does x mean?Ask in this thread, or ask Trovaner directly in a PM. The community and staff are happy to take any questions you may have. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:59:54 AM »
This section will just run through the whole process in a concise way so everything is listed in one place. 1) Have your idea – Discuss in General Tournament Chat if you need to. 2) Create your thread – gauge interest and tweak rules with others’ input. 3) Confirm your rules and put up your poll. 4) PM Geice or Thrackerzod (or both) to have your thread moved to signups once you have sufficient votes. 5) Once it has been moved, begin accepting entries. 6) Begin AI’ing, creating the splash and creating the brackets. 7) When you are ready and all entrants are in, create S/B/V thread. The initial thread will be moved to ‘Completed Tournaments’ at this point. 8) Upload Splash and Brackets. 9) Steadily upload the videos. 10) Conclude tournament and create awards thread. 11) Conclude award voting and hand out prizes. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:54:37 AM »
Once all videos have been uploaded, you can proceed to making a thread in the awards sub-forum. You can create as many awards as you like. They can be voted for by the community or based on finishing position. Common awards include: - Best/Favourite Entrant
- SFTW (i.e. worst entry)
- Coolest Entrant
- BTSHDBBDDTBL (Bot That Should Have Done Done Better But Didn’t Due To Bad Luck. Variants on this are common also)
- Most Original Entry/Best Design
- Best Moment/Match
While these are some of the most common awards, this list is by no means conclusive and you are free to develop a totally new one if you like. Common prizes include the following: - A custom component for use in your following tournament(s)
- A custom decal
- The arena if it is a custom one
Again, this is not a be all and end all list. If you have other prizes, these are acceptable as long as they don’t contravene the below rule ( ↓). RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:52:44 AM »
When you are ready, you can create a new thread in Brackets & Vids. You should look to start the thread with the splash and possibly the brackets as well, and then upload the videos in chunks or individually. Links to Splash, Brackets and all Videos should all be found in the first post. The 4 month deadline goes up until the end of posting videos, so, while not compressing the uploads into too short a space, ensure that you keep within this deadline. Once the main competition is finished you may upload any other extra videos that you like, before progressing to the awards. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:48:21 AM »
One of the mods will move your thread into the signups sub-forum, where the thread now accepts entries. You should accept entries on a first-come-first-serve basis, provided that the submitted bot is legal, according to your rules. This means a person, unless given for a reason (such as a prize), cannot be given a 'reserved spot' while they make their bots. While the signups period is, you should be in the process of AI’ing your entries, creating the splash and creating the brackets. As mentioned above, you will have set a deadline. You cannot cut that deadline short (unless of course your tournament fills up), but you can extend this deadline if you haven’t got all your entries. Do bear in mind that from the day your signups topic is created, you have 4+ months to complete the tournament (i.e. have all videos uploaded), so you cannot keep signups open for too long any may have to use byes or byebots. Once all of the entries are in and accepted, this stage of hosting is complete. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:45:14 AM »
Once your tournament has at least half it's entry list size in 'Yes' votes (for example, 8 'Yes' votes for a 16 bot tournament), you can move to signups (The poll is unnecessary for Major League hosts) This is done by sending a personal message to either Geice or Thrackerzod saying your tournament is ready to move to signups. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:18:35 AM »
When you have a firm idea about the tournament that you have hosted, with or without input from the General Tournament Discussion Thread, you may begin your thread in this forum. The point of this thread is to interact with potential competitors, who may suggest tweaks to the rules. Eventually you need to draw up a final set of rules, and then add a poll to your tournament, asking whether people would enter your tournament, with 2 simple responses: 'Yes' and 'No.' Before moving to the poll, you have to address each of these things in your final list of rules:- State who is AI’ing the robots.
- State that nobody can be entered until a bot is received and accepted.
- Show your entry if you are entering, if you're entering one.
- State which game type the tournament will be run in (Stock, DSL-Standard,DSL-IRL, Ironforge, a more obscure mod or Custom)
- State the number of entries that you are accepting, and announce wildcards if there will be any. Set a deadline which entries have to be accepted by – this can be extended but not shortened. Finally, state how the empty places will be filled if you don’t get a full plethora of entries. This can be a system of byes, or by using a byebot – show the byebot if the latter is chosen. Remember it's important to keep your entry numbers realistic if it's your first tournament as it can become overwhelming.
- State the weightclass of robot in the tournament. The different weightclasses are listed below:
Antweight/AW (Up to 125.0kg)
Beetleweight/BW (Up to 175.0kg)
Lightweight/LW (Up to 248.9kg/249.0kg – This depends on the mood of the game)
Middleweight/MW (Up to 398.9kg/399.0 – Same issue here)
Cruiserweight/CW (Up to 600.0kg)
Heavyweight/HW (Up to 800.0kg)
SuperHeavyWeight/SHW (Up to 1200.0kg)
UltraHeavyWeight/UHW (Up to 5000.0kg)
GigaHeavyWeight/GHW (Up to 10000.0kg)
You can create your own weightclass if you want, also.
Generally (Unless your specific tournament doesn’t allow it), you should accept bots that fall into a weight category lighter that the one you specify, but never the other way around. Be sure to check if these bots are intended to be clusterbots or not, however. - State Allowed/Forbidden Components – This largely will be you forbidding custom components, but you can allow them also, and if playing stock, you must clarify the suitability of the AI Parts (The 140cm square extender falls under this too). Most stock tournaments allow them but clarification is always helpful. Custom smartzones should also be clarified.
- State if the Realistic Rule is used, and if so, whether it is Standard or IRL.
- State the eligibility of BFE, OBJRA2, AAM, Thyrus Glitch, ZeroG, Text Editing or any other out-of-game modification.
- State the eligibility of in-game glitches, such as Stacking, eFFe Glitching, Axle Loading, Snapper Loading etc. Also clarify the use of Hax Mode, and add stacking restrictions.
- State which types of robots are allowed and which, if any, are forbidden.
- State whether clusterbots are allowed, their weight restrictions, and elimination rules.
- State the format of the tournament – (Deathmatch, Teams, Rumble, Annihilator or other), (Single or Double Elimination), (Best of 3, Single Battles, or other).
First, we go to wikipedia-
A double-elimination tournament is a type of elimination tournament competition in which a participant ceases to be eligible to win the tournament's championship upon having lost two games or matches. It stands in contrast to a single-elimination tournament, in which only one defeat results in elimination. A double-elimination tournament is broken into two sets of brackets, the Winners Bracket and Losers Bracket (W and L Brackets for short; also sometimes Upper Bracket and Lower Bracket, respectively). After the first round, the winners proceed into the W Bracket and the losers proceed into the L Bracket. The W Bracket is conducted in the same manner as a single-elimination tournament, except of course that the losers of each round "drop down" into the L Bracket.
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The championship finals of a double elimination tournament is usually set up to be a possible two games. The rationale is that since the tournament is indeed double elimination, it is unfair to have the Winners' Bracket champion eliminated with its first loss. Therefore, while the Winners' Bracket champion needs to beat the Losers' Bracket champion only once to win the tournament, the Losers' Bracket champion must beat the Winners' Bracket champion twice.
This is the standard form of double elimination tournament which is used in most robotic competitions I've competed in as well as the vast majority of double elimination tournaments. It has been several years, but I recall an event that switched to single elimination for the finals match, however this was explicitly stated as a change to the standard format in the event rules.
In future double elimination tournaments, it should be assumed that the event is using standard double elimination rules unless explicitly stated otherwise.
- State the arena(s) to be used and whether hazards will be on or off.
- State rules regarding Havok Explosions – what you class as one and restart/elimination rules.
- State how long matches will be – this is almost always the standard 3 mins.
- State if bots can be upgraded once submitted, what changes people are allowed to make, how many times changes can be made and a deadline for upgrades.
- State the rules, unique to your tournament, that do not fall under the parameters set above.
- Set any awards that you will give after the tournament, and any prizes that competitors get from the tournament or upon receiving an award.
Once these are all addressed, feel free to move into the poll.If you have any queries about the meaning of any of the terms above, please feel free to ask in this thread or to PM the tournament mods. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:17:38 AM »
Not anyone can just click their fingers and be a good tournament host. Things don’t work like that. As such, you need to have particular skills before you consider hosting a tournament, which are listed below. 1) Commitment – Without commitment to hosting a tournament, especially if it is a larger one, you could well find yourself quitting your duty and leave people who have built a robot for your tournament disappointed. 2) Time – As a first time host you always underestimate the amount of your free time that this will take up. You have to leave enough time to get it done, because for your first 3 tournaments, you will only get a window of 4 months to complete a tournament (this starts from approval of signups). 3) Video Capture – You have to, in order to display the tournament to the people, film the battles with a video capture program. The most common ones used by GTM Hosts are OBS, Nvidia Shadowplay, FRAPS and Bandicam but these are not the only options. You will then need to be able to present the battles in video format, uploaded to the internet. You are not expected to do any fancy-effects-trickery, only to provide the raw footage, but nice presentation will take you far. 4) AI’ing – You need to be able to AI to a decent standard, because all tournaments hosted on GTM will see all entered robots fighting AI’d as opposed to manual control. If you are new to AI’ing or don’t know what it is, then you should check out the following resources: - GTM Tutorial Index – Contains a section with all the AI tutorials available on GTM.
- Philetbabe’s AI Chart – Explains very well what basic AI do and how to AI bots.
- Clickbeetle’s AI Essentials – Contains most of the standard AI.py’s of the current time, as well as templates for bindings.py which can save you a huge amount of time.
- Apanx’s Bot Exporter – Really useful tool for checking weapon numbers when writing bindings.
- The AI Thread – This megathread is your first port of call if you have any questions about AI’ing bots. The experts of the technique should be on hand here to help you if you have any trouble.
- The other possibility is getting another, more experienced user to AI the robots for you. This, however, must be agreed before you start any threads.
5) Image Manipulation – You will need to create a splash (A compilation image of all competing robots) and brackets (A tree diagram showing the matchups and progressions of the competitors). These don’t have to be fancy but all relevant matchups and images must be obvious. Again, you may ask for another user to provide these for you if you wish. For examples, see any S/B/V thread in Splashes, Brackets and Videos. A useful resource for creating brackets is Challonge, where you can create your bracket in moments, with no need to keep updating images. To practice these skills, you should consider hosting a ‘Personal Tournament’, which can display your capabilities and, if you are a newer user, put yourself in the spotlight to members who may be less aware of you. If you have any questions about any of these things, you can ask in many places around the forum, and the tournament mods, as ever, are available by PM or this thread. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:10:46 AM »
This is the Tournament Section of GTM. I'll briefly describe each sub-forum and what happens in it. Discussion: This forum is where you pitch your ideas for tournaments. Until you have completed 3 tournaments successfully, your tournaments will have to be voted for by the community before they can go ahead. More on all of this later. Inactive Discussion: Ideas that have been languishing inactive in discussion for 6 months get moved to this forum, so as to not clutter the Discussion section. If you wish to revisit a tournament or take over the tournament, please feel free to do so. Multi-Entry Signups:After your tournament is approved, the topic in ‘Discussion’ will become a signups topic and will be moved to this sub-forum. The mods will do this, so don’t worry about having to do anything at this stage. Once the thread is in this sub-forum, you can begin accepting entries until you have filled up all available spaces. Brackets & Vids:Once you have all of the entries, they are AI’d and you are ready to begin, this forum is where you create a new thread, which will contain the brackets, splash and all the videos of the tournament. Again, much more on all of this later. Awards:Once your tournament is concluded, if you are handing out awards, then you create a new thread in this sub-forum where any voting or awards-related posting takes place. Display Tournaments:Display Tournaments do not fall under the usual ‘tournament’ remit. These are tournaments which you have to put on entirely by yourself. You have to provide all of the bots, videos and cannot ask for help with them. They are not counted in your tournament hosting tallies and can be run at whatever rate suits you. These tournaments can be useful for showing your abilities as a tournament host, especially if you are a newcomer to the forum, and also if you are waiting for a tournament to pass the voting stage, it gives you a platform where you can keep practising your hosting skills so that you can remain ready for when your tournament passes the vote. Completed Tournaments:This sub-forum is essentially an archive of all older threads, which is kept to the others are left free of clutter. Once you start a thread in Brackets & Vids your thread in signups is moved there, and after your tournament is finished the B & V thread and Awards thread (if you make one), will end up here also. If you ever want to find anything in here, your two best options are using the search function, or clicking on the ‘Subject’ hyperlink above all the threads, which sorts them alphabetically, making finding things a lot easier. Your moderators for the main tournament sub-forum are Geice and Thrackerzod (previously yugitom, Craaig and GK). They are in charge of the section and will keep everything ticking over. They are experienced and knowledgeable members of the forum so they should be your first port of call with any questions. Feel free to PM them or ask in this thread, if you have any questions about the tournament process whatsoever. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: September 02, 2012, 06:08:22 AM »
The Golden Rules of the Tournament Section are simple. Stick to them and you’ll do fine. 1) Don’t start a tournament if you can’t host it or won’t have time to complete it. 2) If you don’t have a general idea, don’t start a tournament. Instead, make use of the General Tournament Discussion Thread, mull your ideas over with other forum members, develop them, and once you have your firm idea, then make your thread. 3) If you cannot AI, do not start a thread until you have found someone who is willing to AI for you learn how to! The best place to ask for help is the General Tournament Discussion Thread. RETURN TO INDEX
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« on: March 02, 2012, 01:17:29 AM »
Why copals wakky? Why?!?!?
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« on: February 28, 2012, 02:50:43 PM »
I have to say, I blame the guy previous to me, so I kinda went crazy.
1034
« on: February 28, 2012, 12:55:46 PM »
This is why we can't have nice things
Mine was We Will Fall Together
I loved that.
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« on: February 27, 2012, 04:26:28 PM »
Plus the fact I didn't vote for it... :P
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« on: February 27, 2012, 04:22:37 PM »
so should we say what we submitted ?
Yeah.
My song was Heaven And Hell, GK's was Diamonds and Rust, Marty's was Paid In Full, NFX's was Vicarious, Lupus's was Cemetry Gates, Enigma's was Hangar 18 (possible but not certain), Nickleback was Jonzu's, Mindead was Skiit's. Dunno about the rest.
Oh was it really? :P
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« on: February 27, 2012, 03:51:47 PM »
I think so.
1038
« on: February 27, 2012, 03:31:10 PM »
Really underrated group them. (Pun not intended)
1039
« on: February 27, 2012, 03:06:07 PM »
AC/DC
Axis of Awesome
Big Star
Billy Joel
Blondie
Blur
Chris Bell
Ian Dury
Jethro Tull
Jimi Hendrix
Judas Priest
Morris Minor & The Majors
Muse
Nirvana
Oasis
Ostrakon (My own Music)
Paul McCartney
Queen
R.E.M.
RGS Big Band (Woo, the jazz band I'm in)
Robyn Hitchcock
The Beatles
The Byrds
The Clash
The Doors
The Flying Burrito Brothers
The Lightning Seeds
The Posies
The Sex Pistols
The Streetlight Manifesto
The Tornados
The Who
Them Crooked Vultures
Tired Pony
Lesserly:
Annihilator
Dream Theater
Lou Reed
The Great British Barbershop Boys
The Richard Bolton Group
The Specials
Val Doonican
That's my core music still
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« on: February 20, 2012, 03:52:44 PM »
I swear I compiled some of these once
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