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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2017, 07:03:08 AM »
Dayum Arcane.

FWIW, I had planned to enter, and was trying to build something as it was cancelled. Sounds like there's be enough entries already to run some sort of tourney if it was uncancelled. But Stock has the same problem it had years ago, in that everything has been built before and in a vastly superior version than most members present on the forum can manage. So you're either building a poor copy of something, or you build something more unique that is never competitive. (IRL lol)

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2017, 07:11:01 AM »
>unironically taking AS' post seriously

really? cmon guys, i thought you had better troll-detection skills than this. it's obviously a joke.

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2017, 07:42:21 AM »
>unironically taking AS' post seriously

really? cmon guys, i thought you had better troll-detection skills than this. it's obviously a joke.
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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2017, 08:00:08 AM »
>unironically taking AS' post seriously

really? cmon guys, i thought you had better troll-detection skills than this. it's obviously a joke.

Speaking as an outsider looking in, I have literally no clue who’s trolling and who’s serious half the time. In any case this has gone way off topic and I will apologise for my involvement in derailing it.

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2017, 08:14:25 AM »
a small Stock MW tourney would be welcome

make it the bridge of doom arena tho

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2017, 10:44:32 AM »
But it has generated users. It’s an unfair comparison, you are essentially comparing taking “two steps forward and one step backwards” to taking no steps at all and saying taking no steps at all is better because it doesn’t have that “toxic” step backwards.
Counterpoint: The user count, post count, meaningful tournament count, etc is still pathetic compared to 2009-2012 or even 2008 (we changed forum software so the old data is probably gone).

Counter-Counterpoint: We were always niche anyway.

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2017, 10:52:41 AM »
competitive building plateaued when we discovered hax mode and finally bent the game until it broke

at that point there was nothing new to discover, and bots in stock have now become optimized where the only way to have fun in stock is to think outside the box and make something that isnt an hs/popup

irl at least has variety and flair, even if it is a bit of a circlejerk at times

not to say there isnt merit in building stock for fun but there just isnt as much there as there used to be. you wonder why all the old stock guys left, or barely build anymore? there is basically nothing left to build.

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2017, 11:10:44 AM »
This is why more people need to get back into IRONFORGE. There happens to be a tournament open for just that right now.  :mrgreen:
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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2017, 11:30:31 AM »
« Last Edit: November 21, 2017, 11:54:54 AM by Dreamcast »

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2017, 11:39:39 AM »
its just harder to consistently make nice looking/effective and original bots now, look at the standards of building back in 2011/12
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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2017, 04:26:33 PM »
Why are people still posting in this thread?

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2017, 04:29:37 PM »
Why are people still posting in this thread?

Why did you? :really_makes_you_think:

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Re: Nothing Exicting In GTM
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2017, 05:35:41 PM »
I think with regards to why DSL IRL is so played now, especially in 2017 is mainly because its just so easy to get into compared to the other metagames currently. Stock's suffering from severe stagnation right now, with most of the builds now being the same bot types with a few things changed (HS/VS/Popup/the occasional stiltbot/SnS if they're allowed). DSL-S in 2.2 suffers from balancing problems which is why mechavore flywheels and other replica weapons reign dominant and Ironforge is the most balanced of the competitive metagames right now, but tends to have flippers reign supreme in arenas with OotA zones.

With DSL-IRL, most of the people look at this and tend to have their own design ethos, and along with the enormous variety in robot designs right now, its easy to see why DSL-IRL is so often played. With RA2CF and other stuff, IRL's possibilities have become almost limitless, with the limit being the havok engine. :P

I'm not saying that I won't enter TWatDW - hell, I may try to build something if I have the chance to, but theres a reason so few are going to other metagames now in 2017, with some exceptions like Revolution 2 and RA2 Mafia.

Aye - I remember that back when I used to build (so, 2010-12, nothing special) that the trend away from Stock was already starting. I think back then was when DSL-IRL started to get some attention - Freeziez did a series of tournaments (Battlebots?) which seemed to be one of the most popular around at the time.
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